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Believe It, Or Not (Intellectual Disdains Deeply Religious Folk)
Clymer News Network ^ | 8/15/03 | Nicholas Kristof

Posted on 08/15/2003 10:42:54 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Today marks the Roman Catholics' Feast of the Assumption, honoring the moment that they believe God brought the Virgin Mary into Heaven. So here's a fact appropriate for the day: Americans are three times as likely to believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus (83 percent) as in evolution (28 percent).


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: faith; religion
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My grandfather was fairly typical of his generation...he nonetheless believed firmly in evolution and regarded the Virgin Birth as a pious legend. Those kinds of mainline Christians are vanishing, replaced by evangelicals.

Oh, the horror.

I'm not denigrating anyone's beliefs.

Yes you are.

...we're in the middle of another religious Great Awakening, and that while this may bring spiritual comfort to many, it will also mean a growing polarization within our society.

The last Great Awakening revitalized a civilization, Mister.

Can you believe this guy??

1 posted on 08/15/2003 10:42:55 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
And the press turns up the heat some more.
2 posted on 08/15/2003 10:46:31 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Nicholas D. Kristof is an op-ed columnist for the New York Times.

What more needs to be said?

3 posted on 08/15/2003 10:46:46 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
Exactly - just more New York Slimes drivel
4 posted on 08/15/2003 10:50:06 AM PDT by talleyman (Satan is the Father of Lies - Satan is a Democrat)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
another religious Great Awakening, and that while this may bring spiritual comfort to many, it will also mean a growing polarization within our society.

America was founded as a great Christian spritual awakening...it has of late been the target of a great pagan takeover and deconstruction...

A polarization indeed...and better for it....the other choice is the death of America...for if it is
not like its foundation....it is NOT America but something else...something indecent and foreign ...and anti-Christ spritual usurption

5 posted on 08/15/2003 10:51:05 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: LiteKeeper
Yes virginia ... there is a communist mouth organ in america --- the free times - science cabalists !
6 posted on 08/15/2003 10:51:42 AM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
bump for later
7 posted on 08/15/2003 10:53:21 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Nicholas D. Kristof is an op-ed columnist...

...and theology dilettante.

8 posted on 08/15/2003 10:55:23 AM PDT by Fifth Business
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Yet despite the lack of scientific or historical evidence, and despite the doubts of Biblical scholars, America is so pious that not only do 91 percent of Christians say they believe in the Virgin Birth, but so do an astonishing 47 percent of U.S. non-Christians.

I admit to being astonished.

9 posted on 08/15/2003 10:59:51 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Typical dualisms are played up to denigrate a real part of life.

Faith is the one word wereby human beings still permit God the possibility of doing things we don't know about. Rationalists seem to have a serious problem with that.

On the other hand, while anti-intellectualism is rampant in Evangelical and other brands of Christianity, often it is Enlightenment rationalism that feeds it in the background.

10 posted on 08/15/2003 10:59:55 AM PDT by cornelis
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I'm not denigrating anyone's beliefs. And I don't pretend to know why America is so much more infused with religious faith than the rest of the world. But I do think that we're in the middle of another religious Great Awakening, and that while this may bring spiritual comfort to many, it will also mean a growing polarization within our society.

But mostly, I'm troubled by the way the great intellectual traditions of Catholic and Protestant churches alike are withering, leaving the scholarly and religious worlds increasingly antagonistic. I worry partly because of the time I've spent with self-satisfied and unquestioning mullahs and imams, for the Islamic world is in crisis today in large part because of a similar drift away from a rich intellectual tradition and toward the mystical.

Right. He's not denigrating anyone's faith. Just tying Christians to Islamists. Sheesh.

The heart is a wonderful organ, but so is the brain.

If this person would allow Christ to give him a new heart, he would then have the ability to straighten out his addled brain.

As an aside, most all Christians believe in the miraculous virgin birth of Christ to Mary. But darn few believe she was somehow assumed into heaven any differently than any other believer. She died and went to be with the Lord.

My apologies to my Catholic friends, but that's the scriptural position. As blessed as she was to have borne the honor that she did, God is still no respecter of persons.

11 posted on 08/15/2003 11:01:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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I love it when someone posts what I think but can't seem to get it out. Thanks for all of us with like conclusions, however many we are.
12 posted on 08/15/2003 11:03:05 AM PDT by Sir Charles
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Americans believe, 58 percent to 40 percent, that it is necessary to believe in God to be moral. In contrast, other developed countries overwhelmingly believe that it is not necessary.

If morality does NOT come from God, then all moral standards must be established by Man. So, when Der Leader says that the "moral" thing to do is to kill all the Jews, how can you argue against it? His opinion is just as valid as your opinion -- and he's Der Leader, right?

It is only when morality is established by a power outside of Man's control that it can be rock-solid from society to society and from century to century. Anything else is just "Might makes Right" prettied up with moral tones.

13 posted on 08/15/2003 11:05:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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I worry partly because of the time I've spent with self-satisfied and unquestioning mullahs and imams, for the Islamic world is in crisis today in large part because of a similar drift away from a rich intellectual tradition and toward the mystical

Here's that old black magic of moral equivalency again! Duh! What if; just what if one of the religions is true (Christianity) and the other false (Islam)? And what a myth -- the one about the rich intellectual tradition of Islam. Oh well, never mind that it never existed, and what did exist was insignificant -- as long as it helps the editorialist to make his point.

14 posted on 08/15/2003 11:09:24 AM PDT by Migraine (my grain is pretty straight today)
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America was a Judeao-Christian country from its foundation until the 1990's. Until today, it has not been possible to be a credible Presidential candidate without being a professing Christian;

Today, the country is engaged in the institutional denial of God. God's Commandment is that we shall have no other gods before Him--today, we are multicultural; lots of Mosques, Bud Temples and other places. Honor the Sabbeth? Historically, the commercial world was legally closed on Sunday; today, the Sabbeth is most commonly honored in an NFL stadium.

Don't steal? Theft is widespread--try to get a police officer to report a robbery? Good Luck. Don't bear false witness? Everyone lies--even the president, even under oath; the country thought it was ok. Thou shalt not commit adultery? It is legal and widely practiced. That shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain? Turn on the TV in prime time and you can count God's name in vain a hundred times an hour.

Thou shalt not covet? Our progressive federal tax system is institutionalized coveting.

A Man shall not lie with a Man as with a Woman for it is an Abomination to the Lord? Perfectly legal--the Supreme Court says so; now illegal to suggest there is anything wrong with it.

I could go on. America is engaged in a denial of God.

When Israel did that in the seventh century BC, God withdrew the blessing of His protection and permitted Nebuchadnezar to destroy the country. We should expect the same kind of judgment on America in the near future.

15 posted on 08/15/2003 11:09:25 AM PDT by David
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My grandfather was fairly typical of his generation: A devout and active Presbyterian elder...believed firmly in evolution and regarded the Virgin Birth as a pious legend. Those kinds of mainline Christians are vanishing, replaced by evangelicals. Since 1960, the number of Pentecostalists has increased fourfold, while the number of Episcopalians has dropped almost in half.

I guess he would'nt want to think of a possible correlation between:
The decline churches that are nothing more than glorified social clubs where darned near anything goes; and
The growth of those churches that insist on a timeless, absolute set of instructions that challenge their flocks to actually live like they claim to believe.

The sheep will go to where they actually hear the voice of The Shepherd, and not world based blather on the social flavor of the day...

16 posted on 08/15/2003 11:09:32 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: EternalVigilance
God is still no respecter of persons.

God respects whom He will. And the same old response, where does it say in scripture that scripture is the sum total of God's revelation? Just a reminder that Tradition is alive and well.
17 posted on 08/15/2003 11:10:10 AM PDT by Sir Charles
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Ah, tradition. Seems like a remember a few unkind words from our Lord about that subject...
18 posted on 08/15/2003 11:12:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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The one thing he's right on is the anti-intellectualism of these Pentecostalists. Meanwhile he thinks it okay to be anti-faith.
19 posted on 08/15/2003 11:14:06 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: David
Well Done!
20 posted on 08/15/2003 11:14:17 AM PDT by wardaddy
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