Bush Re-elect Numbers Worsen; 43%-43% Bush vs. any Democratic Contender (Zogby Dem. Puke Poll)

Zogby ^ | 8/21/03

[NittanyLion]

Have any of you EVER been polled?

I've been polled. You may not even know the focus of the poll, because the two I've participated in have had a wide range of stuff. from my purchasing preferences to political affiliation to most admired people, etc. It could be a 100 question poll that establishes a profile of you while being commissioned for a couple very specific reasons. You'd never know.

[NittanyLion]

I know what you are talking about. Most of these polls are taken during work hours. Most hard working Republicans are at their job. The 1,000 sampled are more than likely laying on a couch at home drawing welfare and smoking cigs.

Zogby controls for that type of bias. I know folks around here like to bash him, but no other polls came close in 2000. People on this site bashed Zogby and ridiculed his predictions, and he was dead-on.

[JohnnyZ]

Didn't the Zogby poll said that Jeb was going to lose to McBride?

That was the race Zogby actually got right, at the very end showing Bush winning in a rout. His other results in 2002 were mixed at best, including predicting a solid win for Strickland over Allard in Colorado when it turned out quite the opposite. Oops, he said. The model needs to be updated. Duh.

[chimera]

This is a good poll for Republicans. Not because it shows that Bush is doing well, but because it shows he isn't. Complacency is the surest way to lose an election. You should always run a campaign assuming that you're the underdog. It makes you work that much harder, and tells your base voters and those inclined to vote for you that they darn well better get out and vote and not stay home.

[JohnnyZ]

no other polls came close in 2000. People on this site bashed Zogby and ridiculed his predictions, and he was dead-on.

He's gonna have to fall back on that one forever. He showed pro-Dem, and the DUI thing caused a pro-Dem shift. It takes more than one election to justify a reputation.

[NittanyLion]

He's gonna have to fall back on that one forever. He showed pro-Dem, and the DUI thing caused a pro-Dem shift. It takes more than one election to justify a reputation.

I thought he nailed the 96 election as well?

[El Che Vive]

So far every one of my posts has been attacked by someone like you saying I haven't been here long enough to have an opinion that matters. How long does someone have to wait before they stop being 'welcomed' in such a rude way? I think I made a vaild point. The Clark TV ad on the draft Clark website depicts the guy as someone who wins military conflicts. Regardless of whether I agree with that or not, I think it is a product that some people will buy. I don't see how siging up on the 12th of August changes that in any way.

[alwaysconservative]

Your concern is that jobs are being exported to India. Here is a fascinating column by Walter Williams, and it shows that lower wages are NOT the reason we're losing jobs:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20030820.shtml

(I'm not sure why the hyperlink didn't work. Sorry.)

[GmbyMan]

Time to close ranks people! Look, I think the President has been wrong about quite a few things, myself, but let's still be clear on what he's been right about and still needs time to enact:

1)Tax Cuts (the future could bring a move towards a fair tax and a scrapping of the income tax!)
2)The outsourcing of government jobs
3)Refusal to bail out the states
4)Social Security Privatization
5)Energy Policy, including building more plants (read nuclear) and drilling in ANWaR.
6)John Aschcroft and his successful pursuit and arresting of terrorists
7)Scrapping of the stupid ABM treaty with Russia and moving towards building a missile defense system.
8)Instructing his justice department to re-affirm the second ammendment as a personal rather than a group right.
9)Solid support for Israel, to the point that he is hero over there and is even more highly thought of in Israel than he is in America.
10)His refusal to sign onto Kyoto or the ICC.

All of the above is wonderful and I consider it all gravy. I would vote for President Bush simply because of the way he has fought terrorism abroad since 9/11. His decision to uproot the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and his decision to put all terrorist on notice than they can be next. I know some people are upset about his cozy relationship with the Saudis and Pakistan but I am certain he has even put them on notice when it comes to terrorism. I truly support the man and believe that whomever the Democrats pick will be far worse than what we already have. Is he perfect? Of course not and we all have our own ideas about what the perfect candidate is but we need to support this guy and close ranks now. The Democrats are sharks and attack quicly at the smell of blood. I can't even fatham what a President Dean or a President Kerry would wreak on this nation. I don't wish to find out!

[bushfamfan]

I'm sure Zogby was more than thrilled to push this pull forward, but I really have a problem with his polling being trustworthy. Sure, his said low-mid 50s last month and then there were other polls that showed the President holding steady in the high 50s and low 60s. Go figure. I don't think Zogby is looking randomly either. I think he relies heavily on liberals to push his poll in the direction he wants and an attempt to sway the public, but their biases with the media is more and more obvious.

[KMAJ2]

Any poll that puts an individual candidate (Bush) against a generic candidate (democrat)presents a biased and flawed result. It has been proven over and over again. Just look at the results when it is Bush vs a specific democrat, whether it is Hillary, Gore or any other democrat candidate, Bush holds a 10+ point lead over any specific democrat candidate.

Opinion Dynamics did a poll Aug. 12 - 13 pitting Bush/Cheney vs Gore/Hillary - the result was Bush/Cheney - 50%, Gore/Hillary - 39%.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

[Dilbert56]

Actually, going down one point in a poll with a margin of error of 3% is not statistically significant. The 53% in July could have been anywhere between 50 and 56%. The 52% in August could be 49% to 55%. You can NOT conclude that opinion has changed from a July to August.

The drop from 58% to 52% over two months is right at the edge of both margins of error. It would be improbable that in both months, his approval was 55% and it was missed by 3% in opposite directions.

[The South Texan]

THis is a stupid poll. Most of the other polls put names of opponents vs. Bush and they show Bush with a 10+% lead over them. Zogby should check his methods, but I am sure this will get alot a play tonight on Chrissy Mathews' little watched show tonight.

[The South Texan]

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Since Aug 18, 2003

[kegler4]

"Zogby controls for that type of bias. I know folks around here like to bash him, but no other polls came close in 2000. People on this site bashed Zogby and ridiculed his predictions, and he was dead-on."

Zogby is also the poll that Rush used to quote as the most accurate and least biased. I don't know if he still says that, but he did.

[kegler4]

See post #58