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To: FITZ
I agree that 'rats have a more difficult coalition...Thank God. Where I will disagree is in the need for Republicans to hold the Paleos to the party. If a Paleo is disenfranchised and leaves and joins the Constitution party. The loss is one vote from Republicans and no gain to the 'rats. The danger for Republicans is trying to appease the far right. For every Paleo appeased, 2 or more centrist voters vote for a 'rat. In this case the Republicans lose 2 votes and the rats gain 2 votes. Even if it only cost 1 centrist vote to gain a far right vote it is still a loser strategery for the Republican party.

It is at this point that many Paleo switch topics from winning to "Well a party has to stand for something, " and then I say "you have to win to be able to stand and make a change" and the response is "Far right conservatives win races when the choice is made clear enough" and the dance of the circular argument continues.

I hope you are enjoying some air-conditioned comfort FITZ. It is hot in Wisconsin, I bet it is roasting in Texas.

83 posted on 08/23/2003 1:30:06 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: Once-Ler
The socially liberal "Centrist" voters have largely left the GOP anyways, and maybe some may come back to the GOP, but the days of the GOP dominating the suburban vote on the West Coast and Northeastern Corridor like they did from 68-88 are over.

Karl Rove himself estimated up to 4 million Conservative Christian voters simpily stayed home on election day in 2000. The GOP needs to know that a large portion of its base votes for them on social, not economics issues, and if somthing is not done on the issue of immigration and unfair trade, then the GOP is at severe risk not just at the level of president but downballot as well. The warm and fuzzy view of Republicanism that Limbaugh paints does not exist in the real world.
87 posted on 08/23/2003 3:30:37 PM PDT by JNB
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To: Once-Ler
The socially liberal "Centrist" voters have largely left the GOP anyways, and maybe some may come back to the GOP, but the days of the GOP dominating the suburban vote on the West Coast and Northeastern Corridor like they did from 68-88 are over.

Karl Rove himself estimated up to 4 million Conservative Christian voters simpily stayed home on election day in 2000. The GOP needs to know that a large portion of its base votes for them on social, not economics issues, and if somthing is not done on the issue of immigration and unfair trade, then the GOP is at severe risk not just at the level of president but downballot as well. The warm and fuzzy view of Republicanism that Limbaugh paints does not exist in the real world.
88 posted on 08/23/2003 3:30:38 PM PDT by JNB
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To: Once-Ler
I hope you are enjoying some air-conditioned comfort FITZ. It is hot in Wisconsin, I bet it is roasting in Texas.

Depends on what you call hot. Most Texans don't think it's hot until it reaches 110 degrees. 100 is nothing.

92 posted on 08/23/2003 5:37:36 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Once-Ler
For every Paleo appeased, 2 or more centrist voters vote for a 'rat. In this case the Republicans lose 2 votes and the rats gain 2 votes.

Lack of jobs could cause one Conservative vote, and 2 Centrist votes I think. What happens if a democrat claims they'll get the economy rolling and there would be jobs for Americans? Even if it's a lie, they could get votes. Clinton even ran on "It's the economy stupid" and strangely enough he won. Democrat voters tend to be very naive and gullible, they believed in his globalism, Third Way, and that he would make jobs for Americans. At least the Greens are smarter types and they knew Gore wasn't going to do anything for them.

93 posted on 08/23/2003 5:41:47 PM PDT by FITZ
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