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Global warming theories may be blown out of the water at Fallen Leaf Lake
Tahoe Daily Tribune ^ | August 18, 2003 | Gregory Crofton

Posted on 08/25/2003 4:50:38 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

John Kleppe likes having the moon in his back yard.

His astronaut is a small remote control vehicle equipped to explore the floor of Fallen Leaf Lake. In the four years he's been studying the lake, Kleppe said he has found trees that could challenge traditional thinking regarding global warming.

"This is stuff no humans have seen," said Kleppe of the video images of the deep lake produced by the rover. "That to me is like having the moon in your back yard ... every time we go out, it seems we find another mystery."

Kleppe, chairman of the electrical engineering department at University of Nevada, Reno, has lived on the lake for 23 years. Around 1998, he got tired of his fishing line getting snagged as he trolled deep in the lake. What could be hovering at 120 feet that would catch his line?

The culprit -- a huge rooted pine tree. The submerged trees are all over the lake but tough to spot. Sonar doesn't detect them because they're waterlogged. The trees date back 800 years.

Kleppe is betting the perfectly preserved trees deep in the lake hold key historical climate information about the Sierra Nevada. He theorizes that carbon dating and the study of tree rings will indicate periods of extreme dry weather that arrived in 400-year cycles.

"I think we're sneaking up on it," said Kleppe, with a glint in his eye and a keen grasp of science, nature and ecological systems. "I think the trees out here might hold a secret."

If dry periods come in cycles, then maybe it's not the Industrial Age or the aerosol can that caused global warming. Maybe it's the sun, Kleppe said.

"We're talking about the history of precipitation patterns for the medieval period," he said. "That's a pretty big deal. If that correlates to solar cycles we've really got something. If there is a cycle, than we better store something. We've got to think about it."

But it's not just the sun that Kleppe is trying to figure out. He stumbled on an organism that resembles a jellyfish but functions like a plant or a fungus. Right now experts are working to identify it. Is it a plant or animal or both?

Fallen Leaf may also hold valuable information about glaciers. The rover, at around 340 feet, about as deep as the lake gets, found logs with rocks squarely on top of them. The rover used its 3-inch claw to sample the log. Results may arrive this week. Kleppe is guessing the odd placement of the rocks may be part of a slide into the lake caused by glaciation that dates back 15,000 years.

Kleppe is not doing all this work on his own. He has the help of Grant Adams, a 21-year-old architecture student at University of California, Berkeley, and his father Glenn. Grant Adams, an expert at operating the rover, said the possibilities of what their work may produce are exciting.

"What we're doing out here, in the future, (could) benefit greater humanity," he said. "That makes it worth it. We could discover what the climate was a long time ago."

Kleppe said he sees his exploration of Fallen Leaf Lake as a model that could some day be done on a broad enough scale to benefit Lake Tahoe. When technology allows it, he envisions untethered rovers combing the lake to collect data.

But his own ventures into Tahoe are not too far off. Kleppe said he plans to take the rover, worth about $30,000 and funded with grant money through UNR, beneath the surface of Tahoe near Rubicon. That's where ancient submerged stumps sit. Kleppe said he wants to explore Tahoe at the same depth pines and cedars sit seemingly rooted in Fallen Leaf.

"I think there's something magic about 120 feet," he said. "I think the two lakes go down together. There's a shoreline here, maybe there's a shoreline there."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 400yearcycle; climatechange; fallenleaflake; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; laketahoe; remoteuv; solarwarming
I stumbled across this searching for another news story.

Enjoy.

1 posted on 08/25/2003 4:50:39 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Deep man, real deep.
2 posted on 08/25/2003 4:57:38 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: ancient_geezer; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; farmfriend; blam; Lancey Howard; RandyRep
A wonder if the trout were biting today Ping.
3 posted on 08/25/2003 5:01:34 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: farmfriend
ping
4 posted on 08/25/2003 5:01:51 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I believe this study has already been done with the Bristle Cone Pine tree which lives for thousands of years. As was stated in the article there were periods of long drought. Parley
5 posted on 08/25/2003 5:05:11 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Ah, Fallen Leaf Lake.

Spent several summers there at Stanford Camp. Bliss.

6 posted on 08/25/2003 5:06:47 PM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; Right Wing Professor; Junior
Pretty neat stuff!!
7 posted on 08/25/2003 5:09:52 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: blam
More flooded trees bump
8 posted on 08/25/2003 5:37:13 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Pahuanui
Yes, ah, Fallen Leaf Lake! We spent a summer there in around 1953. Two families, 4 adults, 5 kids in a hobbit-house. It was awesome. Had to take the old motorboat across the lake to the general store.

After just a few days the only toilet broke. My Dad, a brilliant problem solver, went across the lake to locate a gasket for the commode. He came back with a huge bag of bubble gum, passed it out to the five of us, and said, "now, CHEW!" We were in heaven, and after a while he had enough chewed bubble gum to "build" a gasket. The toilet worked for the rest of the summer. Great vacation! Great lake!
9 posted on 08/25/2003 5:49:46 PM PDT by EggsAckley (. . . S.U.E. . . . STOP UNNECESSARY EXCERPTING . . . .)
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To: okie01; farmfriend; RightWhale
"More flooded trees bump."

Yup...mine are 7,000 years old. It will be interesting to see what the 'rings' say. I've read stories about these dendrochronologists who have studied so many tree rings that they can, at a glance, pick out specific periods and just read it like a book.

10 posted on 08/25/2003 6:01:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
I've heard that a few years ago someone was harvesting huge trees from the bottom of Lake Washington near Seattle. The state found out and stopped this unusual logging operation.
11 posted on 08/25/2003 6:22:40 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Thud
ping
12 posted on 08/25/2003 10:11:57 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: wideminded
I've heard that a few years ago someone was harvesting huge trees from the bottom of Lake Washington near Seattle. The state found out and stopped this unusual logging operation.

There's a company in Canada that makes flooring out of timber harvested from the bottoms of rivers where they sank a hundred years ago or so when they were being floated down the rivers after having been felled. The wood has some interesting colors after having been under water for so long.

13 posted on 08/25/2003 10:55:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: blam; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ApesForEvolution; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.

14 posted on 08/25/2003 11:02:33 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!!
15 posted on 08/26/2003 3:05:57 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: farmfriend
Thanks for the Ping...
16 posted on 08/26/2003 6:57:14 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: farmfriend
Wet trees ... Bump!
17 posted on 08/26/2003 8:02:56 AM PDT by blackie
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
I know that there are really long drought cycles that occur in the West and that we are still in the wet cycle. A geologist on the Klamath once told me about them.

I think, in addition to the southern decadal oscillation, NOAA is also trying to map some of these cycles.
18 posted on 08/26/2003 10:21:16 AM PDT by marsh2
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