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Muslim world is more peaceful than media would have us believe
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 8/25/2003 | Gwynne Dyer

Posted on 08/25/2003 9:33:18 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Sitting in Cairo in a flat borrowed from a friend. Turn on the TV and catch the news on BBC World: six stories in 15 minutes. Iraqi guerillas blow up a couple of pipelines. European hostages released by Muslim guerillas in Mali. Nigerian peacekeeping troops in Liberia. Rioting between Muslim sects in Pakistan. Iceland resumes whaling. Islamist terrorists arrested in Indonesia. End of world news.

Four out of six: that's how many of the stories were about Muslims who do violent things. That would make sense if two-thirds of the world's people were Muslims, and most of them were violent. Because only one-fifth of the world's people are Muslims, and many of them don't even spank their children, it calls for an explanation. Especially because the international news is like this most of the time.

BBC World is not particularly bad. In fact, from Minnesota to Moscow to Manila it is the preferred source of TV news for people with an interest in the world, a knowledge of English and access to cable. It is serious about delivering "balanced" news to a multi-national audience, and yet it is doing an absolutely terrible job. Why?

Consider the four "Muslim" stories among the BBC World six I listed at the top of this article. The Iraq story is legitimate. When the world's greatest power is sinking into a political and military quagmire, it is going to get coverage. But why Muslim hostage-takers in Mali rather than politically motivated kidnappers in Colombia? Why sectarian clashes between Muslims in Pakistan rather than inter-caste violence among Hindus in India?

The story of suspected terrorists arrested for the Marriott hotel bombing in Jakarta is of legitimate interest, but there's a lot less follow-up when suspected Basque terrorists are arrested in Spain, or when a resurgent Sendero Luminoso blows something up in Peru. The BBC is not anti-Muslim, but it is responding to a definition of international news that makes "violent Muslims" more newsworthy than violent people in other places.

It is largely a Western definition, following an agenda set mainly by the dominant U.S. media. It is rooted in Western perspectives on the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict, and has been vastly strengthened by the Islamist terrorist attack on the United States two years ago. It is also a steaming heap of horse-feathers.

I am not preaching pious nonsense about Islam being a "religion of peace." The only peaceful religions are dead religions. And I am not denying that the Muslim world has a big historical chip on its shoulder. Having run one of the most powerful and respected civilizations on the planet for the first 1,000 years after they burst out of Arabia and conquered large chunks of Europe, Asia and Africa, Muslims have spent the past three centuries being overrun, colonized and humiliated by the West. But the image of Muslims that the rest of the world gets through international news coverage is deeply misleading.

For the past month I have been wandering around the Middle East with eight other members of my extended family. For some, it was their first time in the region; others of us have lived here or visited often enough to be able to lead everybody astray. And we gave less thought to our personal safety -- and much less to petty theft -- than we would have done on a comparable trip across America, or even through Europe.

I won't go on about how kind and friendly most of the people we met were, because most people are like that everywhere. I would point out that every single person I discussed current events with was against the U.S. invasion in Iraq, but that I nevertheless encountered no personal hostility although I am easily mistaken for an American. (Would an Arab doing a similar trip around the United States have the same experience?)

If Iraq gets completely out of hand, the patience and tolerance that still prevail at street level in the Muslim Middle East will be severely eroded, and even Asian Muslim countries may end up taking sides against the United States and Britain. But for the moment Samuel Huntington's nightmare vision of a coming "clash of civilizations" is still a long way off, and the most striking thing is the sheer ordinariness of daily life in the Muslim world. Don't be misled by television.


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To: Utah Girl
"But for the moment Samuel Huntington's nightmare vision of a coming "clash of civilizations" is still a long way off,"

...I disagree

41 posted on 08/26/2003 3:18:42 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: RLK
So what explicit instructions does the Koran command for chopping off the heads of the infidels?

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Sura 8:12)

In the interest of fairness, some Muslims do not take this injunction as a command for present-day action because (a) Allah was speaking to angels, not men, or (b) this passage refers to a historical event (battle of Badr).

42 posted on 08/26/2003 3:23:10 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: Utah Girl
Dyer's MO of late seems to revisit as a new, revelation of old debunked news, repackaged for controversy, void of reality, and spiced with elitism.

I guess if nothing else, it pays his bills and lines a lot of bird cages.
43 posted on 08/26/2003 3:47:24 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA - Bring 'em home, or send us back! Semper Fi)
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To: RLK
Also Sura 47:4

So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates.

Again, the ordinary Muslim does not read this and then goes out of the house, scimitar in hand, to smite unbelievers.

What the clerics preach is another matter. As we all know the Quran also contains peaceful passages, yet the orthodox Islamic interpretation is that many of them have been abrogated by more violent ones written when Islam had become more powerful.

44 posted on 08/26/2003 3:52:39 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: Utah Girl
All Muslims are enablers of murder and mayham at the very least. Many Germans before WWII were living peaceful normal lives. This is missing the point.
45 posted on 08/26/2003 4:44:46 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: Utah Girl
Oh sure. Apostasy comes with death penalty. Women there cannot vote nor speak for themselves.

Nah, the mid East is so peaceful and unthreatening, especialy for scoundrels.
46 posted on 08/26/2003 4:50:59 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Utah Girl
Weakness is strength!

Yeah.
That's the ticket.

Who are you going to believe? Me or your own lying eyes?

47 posted on 08/26/2003 5:05:00 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Paradox
Sure, 90% of Muslims are good and decent people, but about 10% of them identify with

It's more like 20% minimum.
Now figure out what that comes to out of 1 billion claimed...

48 posted on 08/26/2003 5:06:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: ladyinred
I don't even think the media makes then look as bad as they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I find out more info freeping.
49 posted on 08/26/2003 5:07:54 AM PDT by angcat
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To: tictoc
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Sura 8:12) In the interest of fairness, some Muslims do not take this injunction as a command for present-day action because (a) Allah was speaking to angels, not men, or (b) this passage refers to a historical event (battle of Badr).

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You seem to go out of your way to explan away the seriousness and intent of these proclamations. Why are you an apologist for this crap?

50 posted on 08/26/2003 5:58:50 AM PDT by RLK
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To: cherry
Well said Cherry, well said. I also want to ask all of the people who so unblinkingly support Islam, what about tolerance and diversity??? Most, if not all, Islam nations persecute and put Christians to death for practicing their religion. That seems to be OK with them. Feminists will sue here in the US at the drop of a hat for the slightest reason if they feel they are being discriminated against, yet turn a blind eye to the practice of killing women and girls who have been raped because they have besmirched the honor of their family.
51 posted on 08/26/2003 6:24:50 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Prodigal Son
I did catch that. Do you think dear old Gwynne has an agenda against/about religion in general???
52 posted on 08/26/2003 6:26:50 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: RLK
This place functioned for several years without barf alerts until a bunch of newbies came in and thought they were humorous.

Yeah, when I started, it seemed FR was about taking a critical look at a news story, ripping it up if wrought with crap, etc. It was a fun exercise. Now, everybody expects to simply read articles that are preaching to the choir, or to simply read jokes.

53 posted on 08/26/2003 6:36:08 AM PDT by bluefish
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To: vpintheak
Hey, that sounds dangerously close to profiling! I'm afraid you are not sounding very PC. :)
54 posted on 08/26/2003 6:37:14 AM PDT by Ima Lurker
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To: Utah Girl
Not all muslims are terrorists.

But, all terrorists are muslim.

55 posted on 08/26/2003 6:41:28 AM PDT by freedomson (Baruch haba b'shem Adonai!)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
If the 120,000,000 are "Crazed Blood Thirsty Maniacs" then they're pretty unmotivated Crazed Blood Thirsty Maniacs

10% wasn't my figure, I was just questioning the math.

56 posted on 08/26/2003 9:22:55 AM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: metalboy; All
metalboy wrote:

Because white people are just stump ass stupid

thereby revealing far more about about himself than "white" people, or Christians.

"metalboy's" credibility = ZERO.

57 posted on 08/26/2003 9:29:03 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: RLK
You're welcome. It was no trouble at all for me to look up the Koran passages for you.

Why are you an apologist for this crap?

Hahaha.

I said that some Muslims do not take these passages literally as a present-day injunction. That does not make me an "apologist" for Islam anymore than people like Bernard Lewis and Daniel Pipes are "apologists".

58 posted on 08/26/2003 10:04:37 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: quidnunc
LOL! Gwynnie is zapped!

59 posted on 08/26/2003 10:54:13 AM PDT by WaterDragon (America the beautiful, I love this nation of immigrants.)
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To: Utah Girl
Obviously, Gwynne either thinks Muslims are extremely poor adherents to their religion, neither knowing nor caring what their Koran says, OR Gwynne himself has never read the Koran! Probably both.
60 posted on 08/26/2003 10:56:19 AM PDT by WaterDragon (America the beautiful, I love this nation of immigrants.)
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