The Traditional American Christian

Fearless-Flyers.com ^ | 08-26-03 | Matthew B. Rogers

[Fearless Flyers]

The Traditional American Christian

By Matthew B. Rogers

The traditional American is not always considered a good Christian. They practice their faith when it suits them. One instance where it suits them very well is when it comes time to protect their inalienable rights. Christians don’t separate their rights from God, and keep both out of mans reach. This has kept Americans protected for more than two centuries. When the federal Government starts screwing with God, they are reaching for the forbidden fruit and screwing with everyone’s rights. This is happening in Montgomery Alabama, with the controversy over the Ten Commandments.

It suits me to be a Christian today and if the ACLU wants to screw with my God I say bring it on. When the time comes to clean up the blood, DON’T FORGET WHO INSTIGATED THE HOLY WAR IN THE FEDERAL COURTS! When you screw with God you’re screwing with my inalienable rights. There is no other source that can be the guardian of our rights and keep them out of mans reach, no one has ever suggested one. An assault on God is an assault on all Americans security.

Ask yourself, if you want your rights controlled by someone who can be frightened by words. That’s what this debate is all about protecting whining crybabies that are hurt by words. People afraid of words from what they believe is a fictional Character, you can pity them all you want, but they deserve no respect. They are reaching for the forbidden fruit, your inalienable rights. They prove not to be trustworthy or dependable. They are trying to steal your family jewels and can’t even defend themselves from mere words.

In changing the meaning of the first amendment, the diverse cultures around the country can be eliminated and attacking the pride of the individual citizen, can be continued. The people become afraid to express their faith and the Federal Government grows the balls to screw with their faith.

It isn’t fair to write Chief Justice Moore off as a religious extremist. He brings out the debate between Constitutionalist and Libertarian and not the Fascist vs. Socialist propaganda we are subliminally presented by the media. His opinions are closer to our Founding Fathers, than anything we hear argued between Republicans and Democrats.

The quick clips presented during the short news reports ignore the Judges Constitutional objections, and don’t report any legitimate argument to oppose the judge, unless the Federal Government suddenly has jurisdiction over God. The obvious in the case is presented as the extreme at every point of fact.

Who could trust a Christian that would separate his inalienable rights from God? This would seem a contradiction and a major character fault. But the news reports the Judges Christian faith as extreme. A moderate Christian in their mind, would be untrustworthy and can’t stand by his convictions.

In a Republican Society, within the Bible Belt, who would you expect to be chosen by the people to fight for their inalienable rights? The Judge has never hidden his intentions; the people of Alabama chose the battle when they chose the Chief Justice. So far he has not betrayed that decision, confirming he was the right choice, if the people were serious about the battle.

The Federal Government is screwing with the inalienable rights that are protected by the States. There is no evidence to support the case in Federal Court, simply because there is no law.

Our Constitutional Republic is built from the foundation of the people up, jurisdiction of God stops at the State level of our Republic. The 10th amendment supports this. The case against the Chief Justice was not appealed from the State Courts; it was initiated in the Federal Court, not giving Alabama the opportunity to act in its Peoples interest.

Continued support of the two party election system within the states, allows the people to passively surrender their inalienable rights. The process can be accelerated with careful media editing.

All sound bites of public debate are kept as generic as possible. A gap being better than a slip, error is on the side of correctness, the media censors words that could intimate liberty, freedom or any reference to the Constitution.

You can be sure whenever someone in the United States, attacks the principles of the U.N. and stumbles over their Constitution, God isn’t far behind. Careful exploitation during the editing process will humiliate the subject with their own “God” paying careful attention, not to allow rights and God to appear in the same sound bite. It is important never to allow the Christain or Jew to unite their rights with their God.

With continued diligence it won’t matter if Montgomery Alabama is offensive to San Francisco California. When the Christians God is separated from their inalienable rights, all others are dominoes falling in line. No city in the line will be offensive or contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

[Fearless Flyers]

The above is one of a series of works about the Ten Commandments Battle being waged in Alabama. The other peices are indexed at the link provided.

I'm not a good Christain, and take a more secular view than presented by Judge Moore and a more subjective veiw than presented by the media.

[Fearless Flyers]

Hoping your all well and saying hi.

[Texas_Dawg]

This has been one of my main points about this whole carnival. A bunch of people, looking to gain some heavenly bonus points (for missed Sundays, falling short on their tithe, whatever else they feel guilty about, etc.), create this circus to feel like they are striking a blow for God or doing something "Christian". They are doing nothing of the sort whatsoever.

[Texas_Dawg]

heathen ping

[Bluntpoint]

Perhaps if Moore would chisel off the first four commandments and focus on the last six, he might have a case for those commandments being the moral basis of American law, as he claims, not withstanding the unconstitutional blue laws. This, he would not do, because it is the first four commandments that are critical to him. Even there, he is a hypocrite; because he does not believe in, or practice, the fourth commandment. (For Catholics, the third.) If he did, he would keep the Sabbath on the seventh day.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Taking a broader view than ol Roy is doing. What about the 1st Ammendment? Roy is expressing his freedom of speech. He isn't forcing a soul to be part of his religion. Does the nut case with a "No More Blood for Oil" protest sign force me to protest. I'm offended by the sign but not threatened. If I was an atheist I would be offended but not threatened by Roy. If an atheist judge had a sign in his court that said, "There is no God", would he be forced to move it? The federal court and the media are playing right into Roy's hand and I think it's great.

[Texas_Dawg]

Taking a broader view than ol Roy is doing. What about the 1st Ammendment? Roy is expressing his freedom of speech. He isn't forcing a soul to be part of his religion. Does the nut case with a "No More Blood for Oil" protest sign force me to protest. I'm offended by the sign but not threatened. If I was an atheist I would be offended but not threatened by Roy. If an atheist judge had a sign in his court that said, "There is no God", would he be forced to move it? The federal court and the media are playing right into Roy's hand and I think it's great.

I supported him all the way up until the courts ruled against him. Time to step down and obey our courts' decisions.

[Texas_Dawg]

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003928

[Liberty Wins]

Tex, you've got these people all wrong. I don't think they are looking for heavenly Brownie points at all. Look at it this way - - those Ten Commandments on public display are a teaching tool. If the public schools aren't passing on our traditional culture to the next generation, it's up to the parents and the rest of us to preserve and explain that heritage. As Judge Thompson said, the Ten Commandments are an important part of our law and our history.

[Texas_Dawg]

Tex, you've got these people all wrong. I don't think they are looking for heavenly Brownie points at all. Look at it this way - - those Ten Commandments on public display are a teaching tool. If the public schools aren't passing on our traditional culture to the next generation, it's up to the parents and the rest of us to preserve and explain that heritage. As Judge Thompson said, the Ten Commandments are an important part of our law and our history.

Yes, and the courts ruled against them. Remember this the next time some anarchist Leftist is disobeying a court order.

[Liberty Wins]

Remember this the next time some anarchist Leftist is disobeying a court order.

Like Martin Luther King?

[MissAmericanPie]

Then you have a choice to make here. Do you prefer to live under the protections of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States?

Or do you choose to live under what is being presented as the benign totalitarianism of the Supreme Court?

[Texas_Dawg]

Like Martin Luther King?

Like the anti-globalization protesters.

[Liberty Wins]

Or do you choose to live under what is being presented as the benign totalitarianism of the Supreme Court?

Good point. After all, judges have been oh, so wrong many times before (Dred Scott, separate but equal, etc.) and the only guiding star we have is the literal words in the Constitution. Something that has worked well for over 200 years is more dependable than weak and fallible men.

[Miss Marple]

Martin Luther King went to jail as a result of his civil disobedience. Subsequently, the laws were changed.

If Moore wants to go to jail as a result of his civiil disobedience, perhaps there will be pressure to change the law. Until then, he must face the consequences of his actions. He does not get a free pass on disobeying the law because a lot of people agree with him. Those people need to change the law.

I also think that his statements are inflammatory. I heard him last night going on and on about how this is a Christian nation. We do have a mojority of Christians; we are a secular nation whose government respects ALL religions.

[70times7]

This has been one of my main points ... A bunch of people, looking to gain some heavenly bonus points ... are striking a blow for God

1) That is not at all the point of this article.

2) What you suggest is a possibility. But a more likely possibility is that these people are frustrated with the relentless pressure and success of a well-heeled and vocal minority to expunge the Judeo-Christian heritage from our government and society.

Many have said that Judge Moore is grandstanding. I think he is deliberately bringing this issue to a head in an effort to get Christians to choose to be either hot or cold rather than lukewarm.

Frankly, I think he will be unsuccessful. Too many people either don't know the Christian foundations of our nation, or are of a mind not to care; they have no king but Caesar. One thing is certain, God has given us the inalienable right to deny Him. Woe to the nation that does so.

[Ben Bolt]

State's Right's Bump to you Matt . " He brings out the debate between Constitutionalist and Libertarian and not the Fascist Vs . Socialist we are OVERTLY presented by the media " .

Here is the best part ~ " His opinions are closer to the Founding Fathers , than anything we hear argued between Republicans and Democrats " .

[tbpiper]

Time to step down and obey our courts' decisions.

No

[Fearless Flyers]

Heavenly bonus points, what the hell are those? All I'm looking for, is to keep yours and everyone else’s friken hands off the family jewels. As far as I'm concerned anyone who thinks the Feds have a say in the issue before the State has a chance to rule, is a thief reaching for the forbidden fruit.

This is a cultural attack on the State of Alabama by the ACLU. I can see far enough beyond God, to see that Judge Moore is a strong ally and a fair representation of the Alabama People. The media can piss and moan all it wants about how it all started, my concern is how it will end.

It suits me to be a Christian today because only God can keep mans friken hands off the family jewels. Trusting you or any other mechanics of man is not an option, and I will not trust anyone who felt it was. The pretense of God has worked for over 2 centuries and is worth preserving if only for respect of the service offered so far, no one has presented a better alternative.

I’ve never denied being a heathen, I respect Judge Moore for having the conviction and courage I could never achieve. I’d stand alone beside Judge Moore, before I’d side with any of the other State Justices who have betrayed the will of their people.

So far the Supreme Court has refused to breakup their vacations to defend our Bill of Rights, they have not ruled on the issue. Until they rule anyone who wants to keep the family jewels, should exploit the time. The Supremes are waiting with their fingers to the wind, when they take on the case, passion will be the rule of law and the Constitution will be ignored.

[Liberty Wins]

. . .we are a secular nation whose government respects ALL religions

Miss Marple, you must not have ever lived in the Bible Belt. Believe me, from their back porch it does seem to be a Christian nation.