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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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1 posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:43 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
BTTT! Everybody do SOMETHING!
2 posted on 08/28/2003 5:35:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: Calpernia; summer; floriduh voter; windchime; cake_crumb; Robert Drobot; Coleus; JulieRNR21; ...
Freepers with knowledge of Terri's case, please add helpful tips for callers phoning in a complaint against Judge Greer - info on past decisions, known affiliations / opinions that could interfere with a life - death decision.

Please ping your ping lists, Florida Freepers.

Would appreciate help bumping this thread today.

Thank you!

3 posted on 08/28/2003 5:36:23 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: Tax-chick
Bump!
4 posted on 08/28/2003 5:37:13 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!!
5 posted on 08/28/2003 5:55:29 AM PDT by windchime
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I would also complain the way the judge came back the very next day and said Jeb Bush's request would not be honored. Would be put in the file same as everything else.

He didn't even consider it. He disrespected the people of Florida when he did this. He might as well be in cahoots with the ghoulish husband.
6 posted on 08/28/2003 6:07:29 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The Honorable(?) George W. Greer:

"I am your little tin God, I will answer to no man, how dare you question my words, I can not ever make an incorrect decision, I will determine who lives and who dies, I am perfect".

7 posted on 08/28/2003 6:17:03 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I just called the number to complain about Judge George Greer, and the woman at the judicial commission refused to take down my name and the nature of my complaint. She did not even ask if I were a FL resident, which I am not. She said that the commission has no authority to act in regard to a decision by a judge. The commission acts, she said, only if there is personal misbehavior by the judge. I asked if "bias" constituted "personal misbehavior," and she said that was an opinion outside the jurisdiction of the commission. The fact that I got through immediately led me to belive that not many calls have come to the commission office.

Once again, bureaucracy is there mainly for bureaucrats. But citizens mistakenly think bureaucrats are looking after the "little guys." The woman did say that the issue has generated a lot of "strong feelings" on both sides.

The call made no difference at all. It did not cost me anything to make the call, as I have a cell phone plan.

Poor Terri, this woman was born to trouble from the day she married that miserable wretch of a husband.
8 posted on 08/28/2003 6:30:28 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: chiefqc
bumping and praying
9 posted on 08/28/2003 6:31:30 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; summer; Floridavoter; All
"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

Who the hell does this guy think he is?

Thank you all for posting the updates on Terri's case. At the moment I'm so mad I don't trust myself to shoot off emails or call anyone.

10 posted on 08/28/2003 6:40:29 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (This cow is independently owned and operated)
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To: Theodore R.
I just called the number to complain about Judge George Greer, and the woman at the judicial commission refused to take down my name and the nature of my complaint.

This woman is going to wish she had called in sick today.

11 posted on 08/28/2003 6:44:25 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (This cow is independently owned and operated)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Just received email from Jeb with copy of his letter. Seems he is responding to everyone who wrote to him.

12 posted on 08/28/2003 6:53:19 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: Theodore R.
The commission acts, she said, only if there is personal misbehavior by the judge.

Others calling might mention that his behavior indicates that he's being paid off by Schiavo and/or his lawyer. That would be "personal misbehavior," I should think.

13 posted on 08/28/2003 6:54:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: Theodore R.; Ragtime Cowgirl; floriduh voter
I had a similar experience with the staffer who took my call.

When I tried to give her my FL address and asked that my complaint be registered; she told me to write a letter to the Commission.

When I asked "What action will be taken on complaints?"...the response was NONE. Judge Greer will not even be notified of them.

She said that I would do better to write a letter to the local newspapers in Pinnelas County.

This Commission seems to be highly ineffective and it is obviously designed to provide a format for people to leave comments which are ignored!
14 posted on 08/28/2003 7:32:59 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: dennisw
Thank you, dennis. Judge Greer's callous dismissal of the Governor's request shocked me, too. Gov. Bush was pleading to the Judge for Terri's life, with respect and humility. The Judge might as well have said, "put some ice on it."
15 posted on 08/28/2003 7:38:57 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
bump
16 posted on 08/28/2003 7:49:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: Theodore R.
The commission acts, she said, only if there is personal misbehavior by the judge.

Thank you, Theodore.

Seems to me the Judge's opinions throughout this case add up to plenty of incidents of "personal misbehavior". Wouldn't it be personal misbehavior to ignore the many doctors who disagree with the court-appointed doctors? Wouldn't it be personal misbehavior to ignore Terri's own medical reports, evidence of physical damage - atypical of a woman under competent care from a concerned husband? Shouldn't Terri, a woman who cannot defend her own life, at least be accorded a Judge who isn't blatantly pro-euthanasia???

Our law is broken.

I suggest we keep calling - and asking questions. A child would know this is not right, fair, just, decent - AMERICAN - for Terri or her loved ones.

17 posted on 08/28/2003 7:54:48 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: JulieRNR21; floriduh voter; summer
When I tried to give her my FL address and asked that my complaint be registered; she told me to write a letter to the Commission.

When I asked "What action will be taken on complaints?"...the response was NONE. Judge Greer will not even be notified of them.

Time to e-mail Jeb and AG Crist, re. this "Commission". Talk about a legal racket! The biggest accusers, those with life and death in their hands get away with murder.

Her hearing is Sept.11. There is no time to write a letter and expect action.

How can a condemned killer get a stay of execution and a defenseless innocent can't?

18 posted on 08/28/2003 8:01:25 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
At the moment I'm so mad I don't trust myself to shoot off emails or call anyone.

Understood. It is so wrong!

19 posted on 08/28/2003 8:02:28 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: RonDog; Bob J; diotima; ALOHA RONNIE; NormsRevenge; MizSterious; Jaded; Flurry; Laura Earl; ...
I hope you all don't mind that I pinged you to this thread. If anyone needs the mother of all FReeps, it's this judge:

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

After receiving over 27,000 emails, Governor Jeb Bush sent Judge Greer a letter regarding Terri Schiavo's medical treatment, and the fact that her husband is trying to get a court order to starve her to death. The above quotation, in bold, is Judge Greer's response to the Governor.

Please check out Terri's website, and pay attention to the bone scan report. Keep that in mind when you read what's going on with her case. The clock is ticking for this woman.

As soon as I simmer down, I'm calling and emailing. Right now I'm just too pissed off. I hope that maybe we can make a difference.

If anyone has a ping list, pass this on. Let's melt the phone lines and crash the servers!

20 posted on 08/28/2003 8:06:47 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (This cow is independently owned and operated)
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To: NautiNurse
You know this has to hurt Jeb.

I'm contacting those who helped Terri in the media, as well. Letters to the editor, too. Maybe we can shame the locals into responding.

editor.letters@heraldtribune.com (sarasota herald tribune)
dklement@bradentonherald.com (bradenton herald)
letters@sptimes.com (st. pete times)
tribletters@tampatrib.com (tampa tribune)

21 posted on 08/28/2003 8:08:21 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: dennisw
He disrespected the people of Florida when he did this.

Many legal cases are tried as the defendant vs. the people of the State, therefore the governor of Florida, is the people's voice in this particular case. The fact that the judge dismissed the governor's letter out of hand, basically tossing it into the circular file, is reprehensible.

The judge is supposed to represent the ideals and wishes of the people of the State, when deciding on legal matters, correct?

It seems to me that the judge has a personal conflict of interest in this case.

22 posted on 08/28/2003 8:08:25 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
How can a condemned killer get a stay of execution and a defenseless innocent can't?

That's EXACTLY what I've been thinking! Terri has been denied any kind of therapy for 13 yrs, but responds favorably to visitors. I believe in my heart that there is hope for her. Let's hope Jeb Bush won't put up with a two-bit judge insulting him.

There is someone else we could possibly email: Laura Bush(big brother George is a little busy these days). Let's see Terri's husband ban her from visiting. Does she have an email address?

I think I pinged everyone I can think of. If this becomes standard operating procedure, we're all in trouble.

23 posted on 08/28/2003 8:27:39 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (This cow is independently owned and operated)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
bump & ping
24 posted on 08/28/2003 8:37:12 AM PDT by Polycarp ("If God does not exist, everything is permitted" - Father Felix Lubyxsynsky)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the ping.
25 posted on 08/28/2003 9:23:10 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; Polycarp
I wouldn't be surprised if our First Lady didn't already know about the case. Good idea: first.lady@whitehouse.gov

Thank you for the bumps. Listening to early thunder approaching in SW Fla. today. Off with the computer soon.

26 posted on 08/28/2003 9:27:47 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: All; Robert Drobot; floriduh voter
Thank you, Robert!

I've compiled portions of the Florida Constitution having a bearing on the available (limited) legal options Governor Bush can employ to assist Terri, with inserted comment .

It must now be obvious to even those who chose not to see that the dishonorable Judge Greer is determined to provide any and every assistance to bring about the very slow and painful death of Terri Schindler-Schiavo. He has put the governor on notice that he will not be moved by concerns expressed by tens of thousands of American Citizens from every state in the union.

Displaying a stone cold arrogance last visited by humanity through the butchers Hitler employed to carry out 'the final solution', Greer mockingly commented he 'filed' the Bush plea for reasonableness.

State of Florida Constitution
Article III, Section 3, (c)(1)
(c) SPECIAL SESSIONS.

(1) The governor, by proclamation stating the purpose, may convene the legislature in special session during which only such legislative business may be transacted as is within the purview of the proclamation, or of a communication from the governor, or is introduced by consent of two-thirds of the membership of each house.

Comment: An immediate call of the Legislature to enact law to severely restrict and specify the circumstances within which any Florida court may order the death of an aged or infirmed Citizen ( euthanasia ) - using the wreakless and barbaric abuse of court authority applied in the matter of Terri Schindler-Schiavo as their reference.

SECTION 8. Executive approval and veto.--
(a) Every bill passed by the legislature shall be presented to the governor for approval and shall become a law if the governor approves and signs it, or fails to veto it within seven consecutive days after presentation.

SECTION 17. Impeachment.--
(a) The governor, lieutenant governor, members of the cabinet, justices of the supreme court, judges of district courts of appeal, judges of circuit courts, and judges of county courts shall be liable to impeachment for misdemeanor in office. The house of representatives by two-thirds vote shall have the power to impeach an officer. ...."

Comment: It is wishful thinking to hope action can be taken against der Bezirksrichter Greer. Unless he is over seventy years (age limitation), or he's committed a misdemeanor, we're paddling without oars.

ARTICLE IV - EXECUTIVE

SECTION 8. Clemency.--
(a) Except in cases of treason and in cases where impeachment results in conviction, the governor may, by executive order filed with the custodian of state records, suspend collection of fines and forfeitures, grant reprieves not exceeding sixty days and, with the approval of two members of the cabinet, grant full or conditional pardons, restore civil rights, commute punishment, and remit fines and forfeitures for offenses. ...."

Comment: Summer, granting a reprieve is a temporary action a governor can do independent of the other two branches of government. Governor Bush sent a personal letter to the judge; having as much weight as a letter you would / have already sent to that despicable misrepresentation of American justice.

ARTICLE V - JUDICIARY

SECTION 5. Circuit courts.--
(a) ORGANIZATION.--There shall be a circuit court serving each judicial circuit.
(b) JURISDICTION.--The circuit courts shall have original jurisdiction not vested in the county courts, and jurisdiction of appeals when provided by general law. They shall have the power to issue writs of mandamus, quo warranto, certiorari, prohibition and habeas corpus, and all writs necessary or proper to the complete exercise of their jurisdiction. Jurisdiction of the circuit court shall be uniform throughout the state. They shall have the power of direct review of administrative action prescribed by general law.

Comment: The usual pap for a functioning court.

SECTION 12. Discipline; removal and retirement.--
(a) JUDICIAL QUALIFICATIONS COMMISSION.--A judicial qualifications commission is created.
(1) There shall be a judicial qualifications commission vested with jurisdiction to investigate and recommend to the Supreme Court of Florida the removal from office of any justice or judge whose conduct, during term of office or otherwise occurring on or after November 1, 1966, (without regard to the effective date of this section) demonstrates a present unfitness to hold office, and to investigate and recommend the discipline of a justice or judge whose conduct, during term of office or otherwise occurring on or after November 1, 1966 (without regard to the effective date of this section), warrants such discipline. For purposes of this section, discipline is defined as any or all of the following: reprimand, fine, suspension with or without pay, or lawyer discipline....."

Comment: Lawyer buzz that is only implemented if all of the following prerequisites are met: the crime must have been attempted or completed by one of their own at high-noon on a highly traveled roadway on a Tuesday and he or she has publicly acknowledged he or she is the perpetrator in writing witnessed by a notary public in good standing within fifteen minutes of the commission of a crime.

ARTICLE VI - SUFFRAGE AND ELECTIONS

SECTION 4. Disqualifications.--
(a) No person convicted of a felony, or adjudicated in this or any other state to be mentally incompetent, shall be qualified to vote or hold office until restoration of civil rights or removal of disability.

Comment: I would suggest that Terri's friends and family elect her dog catcher , or some such thing. In the alternative, Governor Bush appoint her to one of the bazillion commissions in Florida - forcing her intended killers into an open court evidentiary battle over Terri's cognitive abilities.

120 posted on 08/28/2003 6:25 AM EDT by Robert Drobot



27 posted on 08/28/2003 9:32:39 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Rummy to Rats, 8/21* This much is certain: their cause is lost. That regime will not be coming back.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
BTT
28 posted on 08/28/2003 10:03:52 AM PDT by windchime
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BUMP!
29 posted on 08/28/2003 10:10:16 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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BUMP!
30 posted on 08/28/2003 10:10:17 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
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31 posted on 08/28/2003 10:10:17 AM PDT by Coleus (MEOW, http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/chowmein.html)
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32 posted on 08/28/2003 10:10:35 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; All
A question for anyone who may know:

I have read these threads and it appears one side claims Terri is only "brain damaged" and she is alert and responding. There is also a claim that her parents believe she was the victim of an attempted murder by her husband. If this is the case(and I don't know that it is), has she, or why hasn't she, communicated in some way that he had tried to kill her?

I can't say I understand her mental and physical state, and I'm not sure anyone here really does either, so I am wondering if she has, or why she can't, communicate that to someone.

33 posted on 08/28/2003 10:13:23 AM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I think they are getting mad now. I called the Judicial Qualifications number and was told they had nothing to do with a Judges ruling, only his conduct and behavior. I told her that is what I was calling about. She said she could not help me. I asked her who I could complain to and was told to try the newspapers or Governors office. I called Jeb (again) and was told that he could transfer me to the Judicial complaint office. Same person! She is really getting upset. I recommend that since she can't do anything else...she should at least answer the phone today!
34 posted on 08/28/2003 10:15:13 AM PDT by trustandobey
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To: Coleus
Bump!
35 posted on 08/28/2003 10:20:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The woman at the judicial commission "just works there." She does not make policy. Most government bureaucrats are believed to side with the liberal view, but she may not. She just did not seem interested in hearing anything about this judge. Poor Terri will be starved to death, and we who care can't do anything to the contrary. How is that for what Norman Lear calls "the American way."
36 posted on 08/28/2003 10:31:38 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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BUMP!
37 posted on 08/28/2003 10:33:04 AM PDT by iowamomforfreedom
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To: JulieRNR21
Also this commission is probably a "make-work outfit" to give jobs to those favored by the FL bureaucracy. Justice is lacking again! As Gomer Pyle would say, "Surprise, surprise, surprise."
38 posted on 08/28/2003 10:34:29 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Tax-chick
Well, I said that "Judge" Greer's actions seemed like personal misbehavior and BIAS, but she was uninterested in hearing the complaint. She is just another overworked, underpaid bureaucrat, I would imagine. Or at least she probably sees herself that way.
39 posted on 08/28/2003 10:37:26 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
A potential tragedy is unfolding in Florida at this very moment that has the potential of becoming another major advance for the culture of death. A young disabled woman is in danger of being starved to death at the request of her husband, who already is living with another woman. Here's where to see what is about to happen without your help:
http://www.catholicpetitions.com/petitions.php?id=226

Please read about Terri Schiavo's dire situation and then sign a petition asking Gov. Jeb Bush and Florida's Attorney General Charlie Crist to intervene in her case and stop the court-ordered execution sought by her husband, who stands to gain financially from her death.

Urge a full investigation into how Terri suffered brain damage as well as how she yet could recover from it.

Support for Terri at CatholicPetitions.com already made a difference with Gov. Bush, who cited the many emails he has received as why he asked Judge George Greer to appoint a guardian and take no action in regard to her life. Unfortunately, the judge rejected Gov. Bush's appeal Wednesday. Terri's final hearing -- to decide whether she is starved to death or allowed to live and likely recover --was set for Sept 11 in an apparent effort to obscure her expected death sentence on newscasts and front pages dominated by remembrances of the terrorist tragedy.

While Terri's lawyers still seek ways to stop the ominous precedent-setting court-ordered execution, her plight goes virtually unnoticed across America. Your help is needed not only to pray for her protection and sign the petition for guard her life but to make the public aware of this tragic miscarriage of justice. Here's where to act:
http://www.catholicpetitions.com/petitions.php?id=226

Terri suffered a collapse in 1990 that deprived her of oxygen for several minutes, causing the brain damage. She receives nutrition and hydration by a feeding tube, but is allowed no other life-support measures by her husband. A Florida court recently ruled he may remove her feeding tube despite medical evidence that (1) Terri is able to communicate and respond to commands, and (2) foul play may have been involved in her collapse.

What's more, 13 physicians say Terri can recover with proper therapy!

Husband Michael, however, has denied her this therapy. He even has not allowed her the comfort of a visit by her Catholic priest, thus denying Terri the sacrament.

Don't allow Terri Schiavo to be executed under these circumstances! Stand up for the helpless and demand action! Help make the outcry to Gov. Bush and Attorney General Crist loud enough to mandate action on Terri's behalf. Act now while there's still time! Here's where to make your voice heard:
http://www.catholicpetitions.com/petitions.php?id=226

Fr. Peter West
http://www.CatholicVote.Org

Larry Cirignano, Esq.
http://www.CatholicVote.Org

P.S. This isn't just a Florida issue endangering one woman. Americans must realize if such convenient killing is allowed, one day soon they, too, might be helpless in need of someone to fight for their lives.

Please alert everyone you know -- for their sake as well as Terri's.

Tell them to make their stand at:
http://www.catholicpetitions.com/petitions.php?id=226
40 posted on 08/28/2003 10:39:47 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, a LIAR and MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Here is what I sent to everyone:

November 28, 2003

How can the people of Florida sleep tonight?

A woman is going to be murdered only because
she chose the wrong husband.

I am referring to Terry Schiavo. Governor Bush sent a letter asking
The Honorable George W. Greer to appoint a guardian ad litem to protect
Terrie's rights due to a family disagreement about her care.

The "Honorable" George W. Greer would rather sign an order
to have her killed (slowly by starvation) rather then do this. This is what America is all about?

Does the star-spangled banner fly over the land of the free and the home of the brave, or
only over the ones who are able to take nourishment without a tube?

Where is our outrage?

Sincerely,
Charlene Frank
41 posted on 08/28/2003 11:03:55 AM PDT by risr (I care.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; summer
You have a Republican Legislature in Florida, right?

Caveat: I don't know much about the law but can Jeb convene an emergency session and get them to pass a measure giving him power to override the judge and stay Terri's execution? If he can do it for a criminal, why not a euthanasia case?
42 posted on 08/28/2003 11:17:45 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Proud card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy since 1984)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; All
My letter to all the newspaper links:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I don't live in Florida, I'm in California; however I have been keeping up with Terri Schiavo's fight for her life.

I wouldn't exactly call myself an ardent prolifer, but this case is stunning. A young woman collapses under mysterious circumstances, and the husband sues everyone. The young woman, Terri, ends up with a rather large medical trust fund. Unfortunately it seems that Terri's husband really, really, wants his wife to die. He has spent 13 years, not on trying to rehabilitate her, but trying to yank her feeding tube.

Death by starvation. Will he allow the doctors to shoot her up with morphine to deal with this slooooow death? Heck, Terri has an infection at the moment. High fever, everything coming out both ends. Last I heard, her loving husband refused to allow medical personnel to administer antibiotics to his wife. Maybe he can get rid of her that way. Considering that her wheelchair is broken, she doesn't exactly get much sunshine. She is not allowed visitors, flowers, or even the parish priest. See, Terri responds favorably to visitors and pretty things. Imagine how she could respond to therapy, considering the fact she ISN'T brain dead.

After receiving 27,000 emails, Governor Jeb Bush wrote a letter to Judge George Greer, basically asking him to reconsider Terri's death sentence. Judge Greer replied:

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

Niiiice. Judge Greer, you may be a judge, but you are not jury and executioner. You most certainly are not God. Appoint a Guardian Ad Litem....NOW. For anyone who happens to read this: What happened to us? What happened to our society that allows a husband to petition to kill his wife, and a judge that will do his bidding? What kind of society have we become to allow the wanton killing of an inconvenient human being?

Some of you may say, "so what? What does Terri Schiavo have to do with me"? Imagine yourself as Terri's parents, or Terri herself. How terrifying is it when the person who you entrusted your life with, is trying to end it...

Call, email, write letters, or picket. Do something people!

Terri's family put this website up:

www.terrisfight.org

xxxx,xxxxxxx CA

43 posted on 08/28/2003 11:21:23 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (This cow is independently owned and operated)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the link. I will email her immediately.
44 posted on 08/28/2003 11:32:25 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (This cow is independently owned and operated)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Late but here!
45 posted on 08/28/2003 11:33:42 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Great letter!

You have summed up the situation perfectly.

Now will anybody listen?
46 posted on 08/28/2003 11:43:50 AM PDT by iowamomforfreedom
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To: Theodore R.
Is there ANY evidence of a conflict of interest here? Any way a motion for recusal can be filed?
47 posted on 08/28/2003 11:49:27 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Junior; js1138; BMCDA; CobaltBlue; ThinkPlease; PatrickHenry; ...
Judge Greer is ignoring Governor Bush's appeal for appointing a Guardian ad litem for Terri. If you are so inclined, please read this thread and help out in any way you can. Thanks!
48 posted on 08/28/2003 11:54:02 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
Go to the Terri Schindler-Chiavo Foundation site for a video record of Terri's responsiveness. She is able to respond but is able to interact in only a limited way when concious. Which she is in each of the videos. There is also information about this whole case, which has been going on for years.

With no therapy, no one cared to discover whether her condition could be improved to the point where she could communicate. Looks like the team of Greer/Chiavo are bound and determined no one ever will find out if therapy would have helped.

It's amazing that Terri was denied ANY therapy whatsoever. This is not a right to life issue as much is it an issue of cruel and inhuman treatment of an individual who may very well die a painful death - and be aware of every minute of discomfort.

49 posted on 08/28/2003 12:04:39 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Alouette; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
Saddle up! ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

50 posted on 08/28/2003 12:23:35 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (The salmon chanted, "Evening! Evening!")
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