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Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Six Out Of Their Bibles!
Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon ^ | Aug 29, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 08/28/2003 8:50:50 PM PDT by xzins

Those Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Chapter Six Out Of Their Bibles!

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon August 29, 2003 I have listened to minister after minister publicly rebuke Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore saying, as a Christian, he should have obeyed federal judge Myron Thompson's unlawful order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building. Those ministers need to reread Daniel chapter six.

Daniel was a government official in the court of King Darius. In fact, Daniel was the second-in-command answering only to the king. Yet, when Darius issued his command that everyone in the kingdom not pray to God for thirty days, Daniel openly and defiantly disobeyed.

I've heard ministers say Judge Moore was wrong not to take down the monument and wait for his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court to be decided. However, if this logic would have prevailed in the mind and heart of Daniel, the great story of Daniel in the lion's den would not appear in Scripture. After all, Darius' order against prayer was only for thirty days. Using the logic of today's ministers, Daniel should have merely suspended his prayers for thirty days, and everything would have been all right.

Instead, Daniel immediately went home, threw open his windows, and prayed to God as he always had done. He would not postpone his convictions for even thirty days!

Like Judge Roy Moore, Daniel believed that there is a higher authority than the king. Furthermore, he believed that human governments do not have the right to interfere with religious conscience, in or out of the public square.

Also take into account that Daniel lived under a monarchy. Darius' word was the law of the land. However, Americans do not live (yet) under a monarchy. A federal judge is not king; his word is not automatically law. Under our constitutional republic, whenever a federal judge, or any other government official, rules outside his constitutional authority, his ruling must be considered unlawful and irrelevant.

When Daniel disobeyed the law of King Darius, he had only the law of moral conscience behind him. Judge Moore has, not only the law of moral conscience, but the supreme law of the land (the U.S. Constitution) behind him!

Of all people, Christian ministers should flock to Judge Moore's assistance! That they aren't proves they are either ignorant of the lawlessness of this federal judge's actions, or they do not have the courage of their convictions.

One thing is sure: those ministers who condemn Judge Roy Moore's actions should tear the story of Daniel out of their Bibles, and never teach it again. If Daniel was right, Roy Moore is right!

© Chuck Baldwin

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KEYWORDS: bible; commandments; constitution; daniel; judges; law; moore
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To: AndrewC
AndrewC;No. You are the one asserting that the presence of a stone in a state building somehow is a law establishing a religion.

Jorge"Wrong. I never said such a thing in any of my posts."

AndrewC;Isn't the following your statement?
"The law Judge Moore defied was one dictating that NO ONE has the right to use the Govt to impose their religion on others."

Of course it's my statement.

But nowhere do I state that *defying a law* is the same as creating a new "law establishing a religion."

My statement says that Judge Moore was abusing his position in Govt to impose his religion on others. You don't need to create a law to do this.

241 posted on 08/30/2003 7:48:00 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
My statement says that Judge Moore was abusing his position in Govt to impose his religion on others. You don't need to create a law to do this.

Then tell me the mechanism. You have not even named the religion. The only thing Moore has done is place that stone. Now you are the one asserting an imposition. Please elucidate.

242 posted on 08/30/2003 7:50:42 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Then tell me the mechanism. You have not even named the religion. The only thing Moore has done is place that stone. Now you are the one asserting an imposition. Please elucidate.

Do I have to draw you a picture?

Guess you would have no problem walking into a Court House and seeing a giant picture of Mohammud on the wall and a stone replica of the Quran knowing the Judge put it there out of his personal choice.

You know I am right. This debate is so bogus.

243 posted on 08/30/2003 8:14:15 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
You know I am right. This debate is so bogus.

You are a mind reader too! I admit to no such thing. You are patently wrong. There are no muslim nor buddhist references because they had nothing to do with the philosophy and formation of this Republic. It wasn't Buddhists nor Muslims that left Europe because of religious persecution nor were they atheists. You have not even come close to showing any establishment of any religion. And the prohibition is against Congress making laws establishing religion ---Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

244 posted on 08/30/2003 9:12:23 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
"You know I am right. This debate is so bogus."

You are a mind reader too! I admit to no such thing. You are patently wrong.

Don't contradict me. Why are you being so stubborn?
Don't you understand yet? Resistance is futile. I will win. You will lose.

245 posted on 08/30/2003 9:30:28 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Guess you would have no problem walking into a Court House and seeing a giant picture of Mohammud on the wall and a stone replica of the Quran knowing the Judge put it there out of his personal choice.

Are there some aspects of the Quran which can relate to and tolerate our American system of criminal justice as the Ten Commandments does? Don't muslims still cut off fingers and behead folks as punishment in their system of "justice?"

Heck, some day some devil worshipping judge might want to put a statue of the devil in the rotunda. But shouldn't the folks of Montgomery decide if the The Ten Commandments, or a picture of Mohammed, or a statue of the devil be removed?

246 posted on 08/31/2003 3:46:26 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: nmh
I know exactly what he does. My point all along. Just somehow, (perhaps my sarcasm is at fault) I missed relating that to you. Since methinks somewhere you misread me at the beginning of all this. Hey, I am with you on this one.
247 posted on 08/31/2003 4:53:35 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: takenoprisoner
Heck, some day some devil worshipping judge might want to put a statue of the devil in the rotunda. But shouldn't the folks of Montgomery decide if the The Ten Commandments, or a picture of Mohammed, or a statue of the devil be removed?

No, I don't think so. I don't believe religious expressions in Govt should be left up the tyranny of the local majority.

My ancestors barely escaped France with their lives after the Catholics came to power and began persecuting Protestants.
We need that sort of thing here.

248 posted on 08/31/2003 7:08:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Perhaps we should withold judgment til the majority men and women of Montgomery who honor the big Ten begin persecuting other folk?
249 posted on 08/31/2003 7:41:41 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: Jorge
Today, there is no evidence of any religion being persecuted in America. All religions are welcome including the muslim faith which has representatives killing and maiming the innocent, the unsuspecting, and naturally unable to defend themselves. And they are creating this havoc worldwide.

Whatever happened in France has nothing to do with America.
250 posted on 08/31/2003 7:46:41 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: Jorge
No I'm not done yet. American law was formed in part based on the big Ten. But at the same time, American law provided for other religions which do not necessarily recognize the big Ten to co exist. Such is our nature of fairness.

But if others choose to deny us our foundation, by denying our freedom to express the foundation of our law and our faith, then our sense of fairness could slip into the bloody shadows.

Not a wise move at this juncture.
251 posted on 08/31/2003 8:03:20 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: Poohbah
Or he was a product of the Crouchs' catechesis on TBN.


Most likely answer....
100 points.
Bonus round if you can name three people on their network who are NOT flakes...
252 posted on 09/02/2003 1:14:15 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Poohbah
He can still win the case, if he changes his reasoning. But he is refusing to do so.


Which is what pat robertson and jay sekulow said not long ago... the Judge is up to something else... He has delusions of grandeur and a 'martyr' syndrome going on here... A lot of reasonable Christians, even of the fundamentalist variety are rather ashamed of his actions.... not honoring to Christ, but to judge moore and his marble.

Perhaps he wants the governor's chair... perhaps the oval office.
but he will get neither.
253 posted on 09/02/2003 1:18:51 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Poohbah
Wrong answer. Moore is using a bizarre interpretation that has never, ever worked--or, for that matter, ever been tried with a straight face in any courtroom of the United States.


Yeah but you sure as heck gotta admit... it sells a lotta tapes for our buddies and buddettes at TBN.... It's a virtual episode of the bible thumper's "american idol".
254 posted on 09/02/2003 1:26:53 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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