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Irish law firm in 'war crimes' suit (against U.S. soldiers)
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 09/01/03 | Ted Oliver

Posted on 08/31/2003 4:47:00 PM PDT by Pokey78

The Northern Ireland law firm which represents most of the families of the Bloody Sunday victims is mounting a multi-million pound lawsuit against US soldiers over alleged war crimes in Iraq.

Solicitors at Madden and Finucane will seek damages of $15 million (£10 million) in American courts after four members of an Iraqi family were shot dead at a checkpoint in Baghdad last month.

Three representatives from the firm, which was founded by Pat Finucane, the Belfast solicitor shot dead by loyalists in 1989 in one of the most controversial shootings of the Northern Ireland troubles, have visited the Iraqi capital to meet lawyers and representatives of the al-Kawas family and human rights groups.

They have compiled a dossier of evidence and are expected to initiate the court proceedings early next year.

Madden and Finucane represent most of the families of the 14 victims of the Bloody Sunday shootings in January 1972 and has received substantial fees for work in the Saville Inquiry.

The firm has also advised three suspected IRA men on trial in Colombia accused of training Farc guerrillas and have been involved in the commission investigating the shooting of 13 Israeli-Arab demonstrators by Israeli police in October 2000.

Richie MacRitchie, a solicitor, said yesterday: "If there are grave breaches of the fourth Geneva Convention in war crimes, Britain and America have an obligation to search for people suspected of committing these war crimes and bring them to justice."

He called for an independent inquiry into the shooting at the road block in which four of the al-Kawas family - Adel Abdul Kareem, 43, Hadir, 18, Ola, 16, and Mervit, eight, - were killed on Aug 7.

A car carrying three young men which failed to slow down at the checkpoint manned by soldiers from the US First Armoured Division was fired on, killing one occupant and a passer-by. The car carrying the al-Kawas family was also riddled with bullets.

It is understood that Madden and Finucane became involved in the Iraqi shootings after being contacted by human rights activists in Baghdad and Caoimhe Butterly, an Irish-born peace campaigner.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackshirts; caoimhebutterly; communistsubversion; warcrimes

1 posted on 08/31/2003 4:47:00 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Even an Irishman would be ill advised to pick a fight with the US military.
2 posted on 08/31/2003 4:51:16 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Pokey78
Three representatives from the firm, which was founded by Pat Finucane, the Belfast solicitor shot dead by loyalists in 1989 in one of the most controversial shootings of the Northern Ireland troubles, have visited the Iraqi capital to meet lawyers and representatives of the al-Kawas family and human rights groups.

Who is giving these people visas?

3 posted on 08/31/2003 4:51:33 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: dr_who_2
Madden and Finucane, check your backs.......
4 posted on 08/31/2003 4:53:15 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: dighton
Congressmen Flake and Kolbe. We don't have enough lawyers, and they're coming here to do the work no Americans will do.
5 posted on 08/31/2003 4:56:08 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Pokey78
Good, then the American families who's loved ones were murdered at the hands of Iraqi soldiers while in custody should counter-sue!!!
6 posted on 08/31/2003 5:09:59 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
I support this investigation. We have nothing to hide - our soldiers wouldn't shoot at innocent civilians without reason, and this will prove it. What do we gain by resisting the investigation - people would only say there's a cover up. This way, the Iraqis get their investigation, it shows we did nothing we shouldn't have, and another media/Iraqi lie is crushed.
7 posted on 08/31/2003 5:18:12 PM PDT by BigAndy
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To: Pokey78
Even an Irishman would be ill advised to pick a fight with the US military.
8 posted on 08/31/2003 5:20:11 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: BigAndy
I support it too but I strongly feel they wouldn't accept the investigation if it turns out in favor of the soldiers.
9 posted on 08/31/2003 5:22:49 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: dighton; Pokey78
Who is giving these people visas?

How does an Irish court have any sort of jurisdiction?

So many questions... ;)

10 posted on 08/31/2003 5:34:22 PM PDT by general_re (Today is a day for firm decisions! Or is it?)
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To: general_re; Happygal
How does an Irish court have any sort of jurisdiction?

By beating up a Belgian court, or drinking it under the table.

;-)

11 posted on 08/31/2003 5:40:08 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: Pokey78
What does Scottish law say?
12 posted on 08/31/2003 5:41:06 PM PDT by Bogey78O (The Clinton's have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured/killed -Peach)
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To: Bogey78O
"What does Scottish law say?"

"Grease mah up, women, Ahm a-goin aftarra the Big Boys"

13 posted on 08/31/2003 5:44:43 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: dighton; Happygal
By beating up a Belgian court, or drinking it under the table.

Why choose? Beat the tar out of the limp-wristed girly-men of the Belgian court, and then pop down and have a pint or two ;)

14 posted on 08/31/2003 5:47:28 PM PDT by general_re (Today is a day for firm decisions! Or is it?)
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To: Pokey78
PISS OFF!!!
15 posted on 08/31/2003 5:59:29 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Arpege92
Why even cavil. Ireland is not squat and can not enforce anything its courts might decide. If they find against us and try to enforce it,we can easily kick their butts into the North Sea. There is nothing and nobody in Ireland which could resist one half of one U.S. Division for one half an hour. It is time that the petit pissant nations of the world just screw -off. All of them put together don't amount to one third world mini-power. There is serious business to be done and the pissants as ususal are getting in the way for pleasure and profit. When the Irish, French, Saudi Arabians and other such international riff-raff have something worthwhile to offer to the rest of us, we will be surprised and possibly pleased--though we get along without them pretty well and have for a century or so.
18 posted on 08/31/2003 7:17:06 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Mrs Zip
ping
19 posted on 08/31/2003 9:31:39 PM PDT by zip
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To: Pokey78
Well, at least it's not the French doing it. Then we'd really let 'em have it.
20 posted on 09/01/2003 12:34:05 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: BigAndy
This is garbage. There is no need for an investigation. Even if there were violations of the Geneva Convention - and there were not - the Iraqis have no legal standing to sue American troops. Furthermore, Irish nationals have no business representing anyone in American courts. Furthermore, there is no legal basis for suing or otherwise prosecuting anyone for anything done in wartime unless there is blatant evidence of deliberate flouting of the laws of war. Killing enemy civilians who disobey military orders in a war zone or occupied territory is perfectly acceptable.
21 posted on 09/01/2003 12:48:58 AM PDT by CanadianLibertarian
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To: CanadianLibertarian
I don't disagree. Except in one thing. You know, and I know that there has been no "deliberate flouting of the rules of war". These Irish guys are offering to do our job for us by proving that to the rest of the world. We've got nothing to hide - let 'em spend their money. It can only be good to be open and upfront about this. Otherwise we leave ourselves open to accusations of a cover-up.
22 posted on 09/01/2003 8:23:42 AM PDT by BigAndy
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