Gays and the GOP

NEWS WEEK ^ | July 3, 2001 | Arlene Getz

[2timothy3.16]

hey! Plenty of room in the republican party for everyone... except constitutional conservatives.

And Pro-Christ/Pro-life Born Again Christians.

[nmh]

Good grief, do you ever READ what you write?

"It should be a non-issue. As long as they understand that "rights" that are based on one's behavior is counter to the conservative platform."

How can behavior that is COUNTER to a conervative be a "non-issue"? You make absolutely no sense and your logic desperately needs help.

[4mycountry]

Yippee! </ sarcasm >

[Lunatic Fringe]

I dont know about you, but I dont define "conservatism" by one's personal behavior. To me, a conservative is someone who believes in fiscal responsibility, a strong national defense, national sovereignty, a clear separation of powers, limited government, and respect for individual rights.

I don't see how anyone's sexual orientation runs counter to any of these points of conservatism. But, since you so strongly believe that it does, I wonder what other personal behavior you find unwelcome in our party...

[Lunatic Fringe]

The day that the Homosexuals are included is the day I stop voting Republican. That just about sums it up for me!!

Well, how tolerant of you... Good riddance, see ya! You can join the Nazi party, they don't allow homosexuals.

By the way, there is no litmus test to joining the party, they are already here. So I guess you'll be leaving now, won't you?

[Clintonfatigued]

I have no problem with gay people voting Republican, or being involved in politics. They have as much right as the next person. But they just do it as individuals, not gay advocates. One reason for the negative reaction against gay people in some quarters is that professional gay groups are trying to force themselves and their private behavior on a public that doesn't agree with it. I believe in minding my own business and others doing the same. Busybodies of any ideology need to get a life. A person's private life is exactly that--private. There is no need for me or anyone else to know what these people do behind closed doors. And it is they who are drawing attention to it. If they would stop flaunting their proclivities, most of the negativism towards them would dissipate.

[trebb]

Space for homosexuals? Sure. Space for the homosexual agenda? Not a prayer in Hell

Bingo...

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Personally, I see no reason a homosexual wouldn't want his/her taxes reduced and his country defended against terrorism. Bush could take 1/4 of the gay vote without pandering.

[apackof2]

Is there room for gays inside the Republicans' Big Tent?

No!

[First Amendment]

I just started reading this article and I am totally nauseated. Here's a few gems:

Allan K. Simpson: I don’t think there’s anyone in America [who] doesn’t have someone close to them who’s part of the gay or lesbian population.

Pure unadulterated crapola. Just because he looks in the mirror and either sees a perv, or is surrounded with them (I neither know nor care) he thinks everyone else in the world is just like him and his (no doubt) east coast elite friends.

What about sidelining their agenda? I’m not into anything but the awareness of tolerance and the importance of an honest appraisal of acceptance

Why should Republicans accept sodomy and those who practice it? Why is this idiot a Republican anyway?

It matters not to me what they do.

This is exactly the problem. Homosexuals and their promoters want everyone to NOT LOOK at the elephant in the room. There is only ONE THING that makes a "homosexual" any different from anyone else, and that is their unhealthy, unnatural, destructive and immoral sexual practices. Why is that topic off-limits?

We’re not asking for anything special [for gays]—just openness, honesty, tolerance.

Double-speak. If you take off the table as a relevant topic what homosexuals do, then it turns into the pretense that they are a legitimate minority such as an ethnic or racial minority, which is an insult to real minorities.

Now I'll read the rest of the article and lucky I don't want to eat dinner anyway; I'm on a diet.

[First Amendment]

Ten years ago, after a decision like this [the Texas sodomy case] in the court, airwaves would have been filled with the horror of the destruction of the family. Now, sure it’s out there. But not in any way like it would have been 10 years ago.

Because the main-steam media is in the (back) pocket of the homosexual activists and their buddies.

And some conservatives (too many) have been frightened into silence, or even believing the propaganda of the homo-activists.

[First Amendment]

You can join the Nazi party, they don't allow homosexuals

Here we go again. Please read "The Pink Swastika" (www.defendthefamily.com) or "The Hidden Hitler" (amazon, maybe elsewhere) and find out about the history and philosophy of the Nazis. Many of the Nazis were flagrant homosexuals and their philosophy was based on a greco-homo-erotic militaristic nationalist "might makes right" Neitzche-esque hodge-podge. Inform yourself, it'll feel good and make you look smarter.

Even the Nazi party in the US has primarily had homosexual leadership!

[Lunatic Fringe]

You are actually going to claim that there were Nazi party members who were "flagrant" homosexuals? As I recall, these people were unwelcome and sent to concentration camps as well.

It still doesnt change the fact that your intolerance is a liability to the party. Political alignment should have nothing to do with one's sexual orientation.

So, again... if you wish to leave, see ya. Go form your own little anti-homosexual party. Good luck ever winning one political seat in this country.

[First Amendment]

You are actually going to claim that there were Nazi party members who were "flagrant" homosexuals? As I recall, these people were unwelcome and sent to concentration camps as well.

Sigh. I guess a lot of people just don't take the time to read up. History shows that among the Nazi elite, as well as SA members especially, there were many, many homosexuals. Their whole philosophy was based on an ultra-masculine militaristic homo-erotic cultish crap. This is undeniably true. Homosexuals have been busy for the last 25 years revising history to suit their plea for "minority" status. Homosexuals were not sent en masse to the camps, many of the capos and camp commanders were homosexuals and sadists who raped and sexually tortured prisoners. The homosexuals who were sent were the "femme" type who were scorned by the ultra macho Nazis.

Why don't you read the books I mentioned? Inform yourself.

It still doesnt change the fact that your intolerance is a liability to the party.

First of all, if homosexuals want to vote Republican, great. The more the better. That is completely different than the Republican party making the "gay" agenda part of their platform. The Democrats already are the patrons of the homosexual agenda, we're supposed to have a two-party system.

Political alignment should have nothing to do with one's sexual orientation.

Homosexual activists have made their sex life a powerful political issue. And I'm supposed to grin and swallow it?

[First Amendment]

>>>>>First of all, if homosexuals want to vote Republican, great. The more the better. That is completely different than the Republican party making the "gay" agenda part of their platform. The Democrats already are the patrons of the homosexual agenda, we're supposed to have a two-party system.

Political alignment should have nothing to do with one's sexual orientation.

Homosexual activists have made their sex life a powerful political issue. And I'm supposed to grin and swallow it? <<<<<

That's the way it's supposed to look. So much for my proofreading!

[nmh]

"I dont know about you, but I dont define "conservatism" by one's personal behavior. To me, a conservative is someone who believes in fiscal responsibility, a strong national defense, national sovereignty, a clear separation of powers, limited government, and respect for individual rights. "

I do. What IS in a persons heart is REFLECTED DIRECTLY in their behavior. I don't find homosexual to be RIGHT in their behavior (or heart for that matter) and certainly NOT conservative. Their behavior is immoral. I see you ONLY look at ANYTHING but morality. In other words, you revel in being relative. I don't.

"I don't see how anyone's sexual orientation runs counter to any of these points of conservatism. But, since you so strongly believe that it does, I wonder what other personal behavior you find unwelcome in our party..."

I already stated what I thought of your relative stance on on ever lowering social mores. Other behavior? Why get into it if you can't comprehend how homosexuality is NOT conservative or moral? That one should be obvious to any thinking person.

[Ahban]

I believe there is space for homosexual activitsts in the Republican 'big-tent'.

In fact, they can have my space, I won't be using it any more.

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