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Sue the Jews!
Townhall.com ^ | September 2, 2003 | Mona Charen

Posted on 09/02/2003 3:06:45 PM PDT by UnklGene

Sue the Jews Mona Charen (archive)

September 2, 2003

Many have expressed doubts that America can influence the Middle East. But I submit that our cultural sway is already in evidence.

Just when you thought that no lawsuit could be more preposterous than the one filed by families who tried to sue McDonalds for making them fat, along comes evidence that lawsuit madness has taken hold in Egypt in a truly unique fashion.

Thanks to the Middle East Media Research Institute, we learn that the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi recently featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, dean of the faculty of law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq.

Hilmi, in concert with a group of expatriate Egyptians in Switzerland, is preparing perhaps the largest lawsuit in the history of the world. Hilmi, et al., are going to sue "all the Jews of the world" for items stolen by the Biblical Hebrews from the Egyptians during the Exodus from Egypt.

Hilmi explained at length in Al-Ahram Al-Arabi: "Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called ‘great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

"Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitation cannot possibly apply. ... The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. ... Taking possession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews."

Hilmi was then asked by his respectful interviewer, "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"

"If we assume," Hilmi replied, "that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, its worth doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5 percent. In one ton of gold is 700 kilograms of pure gold -- and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore the debt is very large."

But these are reasonable men. The interviewer wondered whether a compromise might be possible. "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

Well, let's see. If the Egyptians are willing to abide by the Biblical account of events for their lawsuit (which would make the discovery process interesting), they must prepare for a counterclaim for damages resulting from 400 years of bitter slavery. In Exodus, Chapter III, verse 7, God said to Moses, "I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their pains ..."

In verse 9, God continued, "And now, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto Me; moreover I have seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them."

Details, details. As it happens, the Egyptians tried this once before, in Alexander the Great's time. Alexander had no trouble ruling that if anyone owed indemnity, it was the Egyptians to the Jews, not vice versa.

Do the Egyptians really want to pursue this line of argument? Before filing their request for discovery, they might want to read on, to Exodus, Chapter VII -- the Ten Plagues.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: arabspring; egypt; exodus; godsgravesglyphs; gold; israel; lawsuit; monacharen

1 posted on 09/02/2003 3:06:45 PM PDT by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene
Hmmm, do then Jews of world have legal claims on Pyramids? Also consider that only Coptic Christians true Egyptians, rest are Arabs. So should All Christiandom now sue all Arabs for stealing of all Middle East and N. Africa? Dumby muslim savages open pendora box...I think once Islam loose law suit Christian tanks sent in to confiscate stolen Christian property.
2 posted on 09/02/2003 3:17:21 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: UnklGene
The following is an excerpt from the original article in memri. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be hilarious:
"...it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity..."

I keep picturing Egyptian "pleasures" that included the Jews, such as making bricks 20 hours a day in the hot sun, under the careful eye of a tyrant with a whip. That fun-loving Ramses knew how to show those slaves a good time.

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55603

"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness."
3 posted on 09/02/2003 3:25:45 PM PDT by Maria S ("..I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end" Uday H.)
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To: UnklGene
It gets curiouser and curiouser,doesn't it?
4 posted on 09/02/2003 3:26:31 PM PDT by Mears
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To: sotosay
How abandoment of property? When dead yes you cannnot hold property, but then guilty of theft and murder...that is Islam in essense.
6 posted on 09/02/2003 3:30:55 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: UnklGene
I think The Onion needs to get their lawyers on this. The Egyptians are stealing their bit!

As for this lawsuit, I think the Jews have an excellent shot at winning a countersuit. :^)

7 posted on 09/02/2003 3:38:20 PM PDT by Imal (The World According to Imal: http://imal.blogspot.com)
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To: UnklGene
Hilmi, in concert with a group of expatriate Egyptians in Switzerland, is preparing perhaps the largest lawsuit in the history of the world. Hilmi, et al., are going to sue "all the Jews of the world" for items stolen by the Biblical Hebrews from the Egyptians during the Exodus from Egypt.

If memory serves they were GIVEN those items.
Wonder if some Jews have ever thought about sueing the Egyptian government of reparations for all those years they were slaves in Egypt?
8 posted on 09/02/2003 3:43:48 PM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
"Wonder if some Jews have ever thought about sueing the Egyptian government fot reparations for all those years they were slaves in Egypt?"

Oh, I'm sure if they could they would, because last year a group of European Jews sued the US Army in the US Courts becuse while rescuing the US Army was busy rescuing them from Hitler's death camps the Army misplaced some of their goods.

Chutzpah is an apt term for both these Egyptians, and those Jews.
9 posted on 09/02/2003 3:59:26 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: sotosay; MarMema
Abandoned? So where they go when the abandoned land? Where are millions of those Egyptians now? 10% of population of Egypt Egyptian and they get butcher every year. How about those Lebanese, Syrians, Algerians, Carthenagans, Marocons? Where they all go when they "abandon" land? You sound like islamic excusist, rewriting mass murder and theft as "abandoned".
11 posted on 09/02/2003 5:12:54 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: UnklGene
Better be careful. We got this thing with plagues...including death of the first-born.

We tight wit' the Big Man.

And Charlton Heston is still alive...

--Boris

12 posted on 09/02/2003 5:42:46 PM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational.)
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To: sotosay; RussianConservative
Don't bring up slaves. That's what killed the Egyptian lawsuit the last time they brought it up, to Alexander the Great. The countersuit is devastating.

In defense of Moses-Egyptians may sue Jews over the Exodus.

Egypt, Arabia, et. al. v. the Jews

13 posted on 09/02/2003 9:02:40 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: UnklGene
First, the available evidence is that the Egyptians willingly GAVE the items to the Israelites.

Second, even if that were not the case, there must be a statute of limitations on theft, and even if there isn't, theft is a crime which punishment would be meted out to the thieves, not on thier descendants.

Third, even if that weren't the case, they will have the burden of proving that a theft took place. The only evidence says that no theft took place.

14 posted on 09/02/2003 9:17:43 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Valin

"See the pyramids...FLY EL AL!"

(poster seen after the 6 Day war...)

15 posted on 09/02/2003 9:25:31 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: John Beresford Tipton
"...the Army misplaced some of their goods. "

BS.

The U.S. GOVT has admitted their goods were looted.

No one said they weren't grateful they were rescued, but because they were rescued, their goods should be STOLEN BY THEIR RESCUERS?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/5601954.htm

http://www.naplesnews.com/03/02/florida/d910431a.htm
16 posted on 09/02/2003 10:05:45 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
"In 1948, U.S. officials in Washington, D.C., arranged to have the bulk of the items sold at auctions in New York to benefit international refugees."


The US had no obligation to rescue these plaintiffs; the US didn't put them in their jackpot. Had the US known how "grateful" these refugees were to be rescued, the US would have been better off taking proper charge of the goods, inventorying them, storing them, and carefully preserving them, and leaving these ungrateful people where they were.
17 posted on 09/02/2003 10:30:32 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: John Beresford Tipton
What you left off RIGHT ABOVE THE PARAGRAPH YOU POSTED:

"...the Presidential Advisory Commission on Holocaust Assets in the United States, which was created by Congress and met between 1998 and 2000. The commission's research into the National Archives revealed the story of the Gold Train - and the U.S. military's role in it.

After reviewing the declassified evidence, the commission called the Army's handling of the Gold Train assets "an egregious failure of the United States to follow its own policy regarding restitution of Holocaust victims' property after World War II."

The commission found that the appropriation of the property occurred "at the highest levels" and identified several U.S. generals who "took valuables from the Gold Train to furnish their residences and offices."

Despite the Hungarian Jewish community's fierce protests, the military brass decided that the valuables, warehoused in Salzburg, Austria, after the war, could not be traced to their rightful owners. So some of the most precious items were used in government offices and officials' homes.

A Holocaust Commission draft report noted: "General Laude received china, silverware and linen for his Salzburg home; General Hume received eighteen rugs, a table, silverware, cape linen and glassware; General Holland received nine rugs, one silver set and twelve silver plates to decorate his Vienna apartment; and Brigadier General Linden received ten rugs for his quarters at the Von Tropp estate."

The military also authorized the sale of some Gold Train property through the Army Exchange Service.
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Had the US known how
"grateful" these refugees were to be rescued, the US would have been better off taking proper charge of the goods,
inventorying them, storing them, and carefully preserving them, and leaving these ungrateful people where they were. "

Leaving them where they were?

My Father fought in that war. Most Americans supported liberating ALL OF EUROPE from Hitler. Some Americans traded with Hitler, like the Getty's and the Kennedys.

I can see which side you were on.

Don't post to me again, pig.
18 posted on 09/03/2003 5:14:19 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
These ingrates evidently feel that their rugs were more important than they.

In view of their actions I would be loathe to disagree with their accurate assessment.
19 posted on 09/03/2003 5:40:36 AM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: John Beresford Tipton
ESAD
20 posted on 09/03/2003 8:23:27 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated 9/02/2003.

Blast from the Past.

Thanks UnklGene.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 7:14:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Yehuda

Your links are dead. I hadn’t heard about the Gold Train and am interested in reading more.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 2:48:39 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Not my links, the newspapers.

“wayback machine” is our friend....

http://web.archive.org/web/20040321162030/http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/5601954.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20030408093904/http://www.naplesnews.com/03/02/florida/d910431a.htm

(If I were you, I would print these to PDF if you are very interested in the subject, as they may not last.)


23 posted on 01/03/2013 10:17:47 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
Thanks, the episode is disturbing. I was shocked that senior officers would help themselves to loot the Nazis seized from people destined for the camps.

I did some checking and it seems the lawsuit was settled in 2005. At least the government paid something in reparations. I agree with Eizenstat that the U.S. government ought to hold itself to the same standard it urges on European governments.

24 posted on 01/03/2013 11:30:18 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Glad to oblige.


25 posted on 01/04/2013 12:26:39 AM PST by Yehuda
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