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SCIENTOLOGY: NO RIGHTS, PLEASE
pagesix ^ | 09/04/03 | P6

Posted on 09/03/2003 10:24:53 PM PDT by Pikamax

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:16:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

TOM Cruise, John Travolta, Lisa Marie Presley, Kirstie Alley, Juliette Lewis and other Scientologists may have signed away many of the rights that most Americans take for granted. As they move up into the higher levels of the Church of Scientology, members sign documents giving up their right to psychiatric care and to see their families.


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KEYWORDS: scientology
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1 posted on 09/03/2003 10:24:53 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
L. Ron Hubbard when he was still alive probably said many times , "You mean they actually believe in this sh!t?"
2 posted on 09/03/2003 10:28:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pikamax
INTREP
3 posted on 09/03/2003 10:38:53 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: dfwgator
"You mean they actually believe in this sh!t?"

Same sentiments uttered by Stalin.

4 posted on 09/03/2003 10:43:47 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Pikamax
That "Fishman" link in the story didn't work. This is David Touretzky's site on Scientology. Interesting stuff on there.

xenu.net is the main anti-Scientology website out there.
5 posted on 09/03/2003 10:45:31 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Pikamax
Not really surprising. Scientology, or more properly Dianetics, started as a school of quack psychiatry. They became a "religion" to get the government off their backs about practising medicine without a license.
6 posted on 09/03/2003 10:47:59 PM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: dfwgator
"L. Ron Hubbard when he was still alive probably said many times ,'You mean they actually believe in this sh!t?'"

NOBODY has ever uttered this same question more than Bubba Clinton.

7 posted on 09/03/2003 10:48:05 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Pikamax
And the weirdest part? New converts to Scientology's Sea Org (organization) sign a contract with a term of one billion years, over multiple lifetimes.
8 posted on 09/03/2003 11:34:07 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: strela
Well, in all fairness it takes at least half-a-billion years to get rid of all your outer space alien cooties.
9 posted on 09/03/2003 11:39:21 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Pikamax
Brainwashing for money. A very scary organizaton.
10 posted on 09/03/2003 11:40:58 PM PDT by Be active
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To: D-fendr
Well, in all fairness it takes at least half-a-billion years to get rid of all your outer space alien cooties.

Well that sucks. I was looking forward to maxing out all of my credit cards and popping for the full Emperor's Package at Caesar's Palace right before I kick the bucket. Then, when I come back, voila! Shiny new credit rating, all those annoying police reports in my past no longer apply to me, etc.

;)

11 posted on 09/03/2003 11:44:37 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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...members sign documents giving up their right to psychiatric care.

Totally agree.
12 posted on 09/04/2003 1:14:30 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Pikamax
When those geeks approached me back in the 60's they would always point out someone there who had 'made millions' with $cientology.

Money seemed to be the only driving force!
Freaks!

13 posted on 09/04/2003 1:24:34 AM PDT by rockfish59
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To: rockfish59
When those geeks approached me back in the 60's they would always point out someone there who had 'made millions' with $cientology.

I had the same problem with Amway.

(Honest disclosure statement: I was an amway dealer so I have the right to make amway jokes)

14 posted on 09/04/2003 10:03:41 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: dfwgator

"I'm sorry Mr. Travolta, but you're about a quart low on your Thetans. That will be another $100,000 please."

15 posted on 09/04/2003 10:50:56 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Pikamax
The "church" is under scrutiny for this practice and is being sued by the family of Lisa McPherson, who died in 1995 in Clearwater, Fla., allegedly after being held for 17 days as she underwent an "Introspection Rundown."

Looks like Scientology is making a big push in Florida

FLORIDA POLITICIANS AND OFFICIALS  LENDING UNDUE CREDIBILITY TO SCIENTOLOGY

From a recent St. Petersburg Times editorial: Some Tampa Bay area public figures who lately have sounded like supporters and defenders of the [Scientology] church - including Pinellas County Commissioner Susan Latvala and political consultant Mary Repper - should know of those hazards. So should Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio, who accepted campaign support from Scientologists earlier this year and recently had dinner with actor Tom Cruise, a celebrity Scientologist, at Repper's house.

16 posted on 09/04/2003 2:44:50 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: F16Fighter
Is it true that he started it on a bet?
17 posted on 09/04/2003 2:47:38 PM PDT by MalcolmS
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To: syriacus
Repper, Garcia & Associates

Campaigns Repper's firm has handled

18 posted on 09/04/2003 2:48:21 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: Pikamax
bump for reading tonight....
19 posted on 09/04/2003 2:51:09 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: dfwgator
Greta Van Susturn (sp??) and her husband and Scientologists. So is the wife "King of Queens". Hyde on "That 70's Show" is one, too.
20 posted on 09/04/2003 2:51:41 PM PDT by retrokitten (Welcome to the real world, hippy!- Homer Simpson)
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To: Pikamax
Instead, the Scientologists are subjected to the "Introspection Rundown," an "intensive, rigorous Religious Service that includes being isolated from all sources of potential spiritual upset, including but not limited to family members, friends or others."

Also known as "the Full McPherson."

21 posted on 09/04/2003 2:54:09 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: MalcolmS
Is it true that he started it on a bet?

Pretty close.

22 posted on 09/04/2003 3:00:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam : totalitarian political ideology / meme cloaked under the cover of religion)
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To: syriacus
[Clearwater] Police work for Scientology

St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Mar 22, 2001.  pg. 14.A Abstract (Article Summary)

Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge Thomas Penick, who has the unenviable task of refereeing sidewalk skirmishes between the Church of Scientology and anti-Scientology protesters in Clearwater, recently pointed to an arrangement that allows off-duty Clearwater cops to work for Scientology and noted, "They are coming very dangerously close to becoming a private security force for the Church of Scientology."

The situation seems bizarre to observers who know that since the church moved into Clearwater under a false identity in the 1970s, the relationship between Scientology and the Clearwater Police Department has been cool at best, outwardly hostile at worst. The police gathered intelligence on Scientology for years, amassing an enormous investigative file. The church struck back by writing attack pieces about the police, printing them in Scientology publications and throwing them on residents' lawns. The relationship worsened after the suspicious death of church member Lisa McPherson in a Scientology hotel and the arrival of the Lisa McPherson Trust, which is organized and operated out of downtown offices by Scientology critics. Copyright Times Publishing Co. Mar 22, 2001

23 posted on 09/04/2003 4:33:34 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
Hubbard's 1975 plan was to find "dirt" on local officials in Clearwater order to control them.

From Bare-faced Messiah, p. 337

The aim of `Project Power' was to `establish the indispensability of United Churches' in the community and the means of achieving the objective involved classic Hubbardian strategy.

`The overall plan is to locate opinion leaders -- then, their enemies, the dirt, scandal, vested interest, crime of the enemies (with overt data as much as possible). Then turn this over to UC [United Churches] who will approach the opinion leader and get his agreement to look into a specific subject (which will lead to the enemies' crimes). UC then "discovers" the scandal, etc, and turns it over to the opinion leader for his use. Ops [operations] can be done as a follow up to remove or restrain the enemy.'

Anyone who wants to read Bare-Faced Messiah can find it online.

There is a good index for the book (google-cache page takes a while to load).

24 posted on 09/05/2003 7:10:06 AM PDT by syriacus (Why does Schumer think it's okay for HIM to put duty to God first, but it's not okay for others?)
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To: syriacus
Deaths associated with scientology
25 posted on 09/05/2003 11:00:39 AM PDT by syriacus (Why does Schumer think it's okay for HIM to put duty to God first, but it's not okay for others?)
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To: TomB
Many incarnations ago I actually followed one of their street recruiters to one of their, uhm, cathedrals. The moment I saw a pair of those used dog food aluminum cans I burst out laughing. It was dowhill from there (from their point of view - I was having a blast!)
26 posted on 09/05/2003 11:09:36 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Go ahead, make my day and re-state the obvious! Again!)
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To: Revolting cat!
I just love looking at that completely vapid expression on Travolta's face. You can tell from that expression that the auditor could tell him he was a seven foot tall, 300 pound, black ballerina (um, male), and he'd easily believe it.

Give old L. Ron credit though. It's a GREAT scam. Creating a "religion" to prey on the rich, stupid among us.

27 posted on 09/07/2003 8:41:19 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
I cannot believe how utterly offending and prejudice most of these posts are. I thought this site was edged towards "conservatism" but I have been disabused of that notion.

Most of the statements are generalities and obviously bias. And, to say that scientology "preys" on the rich is a bit silly if you really know the religion and the people in it.

If you are against the church of scientology for receiving support in the form of money, paid willingly by it's people, then why not feel the same about the christian church or any other church or for that matter? They all receive money from their people. I am baffled by this.

I can tell you now that I was drawn towards "conservatism" because I thought that people actually believed in what it was about but this whole string of posts gives me something else to consider.

I think I'll just remain independent.
28 posted on 09/18/2003 3:17:59 PM PDT by callmemrpurpose
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To: callmemrpurpose
I cannot believe how utterly offending and prejudice most of these posts are. I thought this site was edged towards "conservatism" but I have been disabused of that notion.

Methinks we have a clam infestation.

29 posted on 09/18/2003 3:29:12 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: callmemrpurpose
I cannot believe how utterly offending and prejudice most of these posts are. I thought this site was edged towards "conservatism" but I have been disabused of that notion

Why? Because people around here think the idea of a "religion" based on a guy named "Xenu" taking billions of people hostage and flying them to earth across space in ships that look like DC-8s and deposting them into volcanos that are then blown up with H-bombs, is extremely silly. And the fact they are tax-exempt is even more of an insult.

30 posted on 09/18/2003 3:32:05 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
Once one has perused the extensive archives at http://www.clambake.org it is pretty hard to remain neutral concerning $cientology. Of course, now I'll probably end up being accused of being a child molestor or a wife beater by some shill for the "church".
31 posted on 09/18/2003 3:37:24 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
Once one has perused the extensive archives at http://www.clambake.org it is pretty hard to remain neutral concerning $cientology. Of course, now I'll probably end up being accused of being a child molestor or a wife beater by some shill for the "church".

You know, for the most part I don't mind cults, they keep the nuts out of the mainstream. But these people are just plain NASTY.

Hey, what are the chances I'll get sued for mentioning Xenu?

32 posted on 09/18/2003 3:41:36 PM PDT by TomB
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To: callmemrpurpose
On the contrary, the posts are showing how informed these folks are about this cult. Check out xenu.net with an open mind and see how close to the truth they are.
33 posted on 09/18/2003 3:44:34 PM PDT by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: callmemrpurpose
Whoops, I missed this:

And, to say that scientology "preys" on the rich is a bit silly if you really know the religion and the people in it.

Yes, if I said that, it would be silly. But I didn't say it.

I said "prey on the rich, STUPID among us". That is quite different, and very accurate for scientologists.

34 posted on 09/18/2003 3:45:12 PM PDT by TomB (WOGS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!!)
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To: Ladysmith
I suspect calmem's openmind has long been washed away...and since been replaced with white clam sauce.

Mmmm....linguini with clam sauce.

35 posted on 09/18/2003 3:47:39 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: callmemrpurpose
Don't you know? The only proper way to worship is the way the Protistants teach.

Everything else is a "Death Cult".
36 posted on 09/18/2003 3:50:17 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
I'm Roman Catholic.
37 posted on 09/18/2003 3:51:54 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
All the more reason to show patience then...
38 posted on 09/18/2003 4:07:41 PM PDT by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: TomB
All that I need to know is that Charles Manson reportedly tested "clear". I think that he swiped an E-meter and used to run it on people back at the ranch.
39 posted on 09/18/2003 4:12:31 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee; Ladysmith; A Broken Glass Republican; Petronski; Elliott Jackalope; Right Wing Professor
Gee, I wonder what happened to our one-post-wonder?

Maybe he had to run off to for a quick auditing session.

......that'll be $250 please.

40 posted on 09/18/2003 4:19:06 PM PDT by TomB (WOGS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!!)
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To: callmemrpurpose
Not a church, dear -- a CULT.

Poor little calms. SNAP! SNAP!

41 posted on 09/18/2003 4:20:27 PM PDT by Malacoda
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To: callmemrpurpose
Not a church, dear -- a CULT.

Poor little clams. SNAP! SNAP!

42 posted on 09/18/2003 4:20:40 PM PDT by Malacoda
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To: vikingchick
Scietol Alert!

Check out clambake.org and xenu.net if you haven't already. (Warning: Do not eat or drink while reading these materials :o)

43 posted on 09/18/2003 4:27:24 PM PDT by BossLady (Punch Card Voting Since 1981..........)
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To: weegee
All that I need to know is that Charles Manson reportedly tested "clear". I think that he swiped an E-meter and used to run it on people back at the ranch.

Nah, he'd just douse people with water and hook them up to a car battery. Granted, a little more crude, but with the same results.

44 posted on 09/18/2003 4:36:25 PM PDT by TomB (WOGS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!!)
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To: TomB
It's not the dousing them with water, or the hooking them up to the battery that makes it a cult. It's where one applies the current that makes all the difference, and is the real art of it.
45 posted on 09/18/2003 10:18:35 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
Not referring to any cult in particular, mind you. That kind of activity usually happens in orginizations with membership numbered in the single digits.
46 posted on 09/18/2003 10:20:01 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: TomB
Funny, this forum is the polar opposite of conservative.

I'm 22 years old. I've been around the church my whole life and the only time I ever heard the word "Xenu" mentioned was on anti site propaganda. I don't know, or even care, where or why these rumors got started. The topic is dead to me and I'm not interested in it. I'm sorry that you believe whatever nonsense is fed to you.

I believe in the spirit of man and god.

But apparently, according to you, I've been misled and for all these years my parents and all my friends believe in and worship this tyrant from outer-space and they are waiting for a space ship to land and take us all to this happy world inside a giant clam where we will be safe from volcanoes...

Why didn't they tell me this???

47 posted on 09/19/2003 7:48:06 AM PDT by callmemrpurpose
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
I forgot but thanks for reminding me.
48 posted on 09/19/2003 7:50:51 AM PDT by callmemrpurpose
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To: Pikamax
Here's my proposal.

We're currently in a fight to the death against the forces of radical Islam. Problem is, our people in the West have gone soft: they are unable to muster sufficient aggression to counter the Islamokazes.

Scientologists, on the other hand, are anything but soft. Their founder was stark raving mad, just like the "Seal of the Prophets" his own self, and the membership will crawl over broken glass if so ordered by the "Church" elders.

Solution: form anti-Islamokaze shock troops from the ranks of Scientologists. These are absolutely ruthless people who stop at nothing.

The danger, of course, is that the new "Scientologist Shock Troops" will be too successful. If they vanquish and then convert the Muslims, it'll be L. Ron Hubbard on steroids!
49 posted on 09/19/2003 8:01:26 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: callmemrpurpose
I'm 22 years old. I've been around the church my whole life and the only time I ever heard the word "Xenu" mentioned was on anti site propaganda

You haven't paid enough money to be OT3 yet.

Why didn't they tell me this???

You haven't paid them enough money yet. I advise you to check out www.xenu.net. You can read it all for free there.

50 posted on 09/19/2003 8:12:20 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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