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China Sent 150,000 Troops To Korean Border As Tension Mounts
Renminbao ^
| September 3, 2003
Posted on 09/04/2003 10:02:40 PM PDT by FreepForever
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To: ninenot
I think what irritates the ChiComs most is that Kim tries to pick on the biggest guy in the block (the US) thus making a scene and tell his own gang-boss (the PRC): if you want me to behave, give me aids. Thats blackmailing his own gang, a big no no in the underworld.
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posted on
09/05/2003 1:22:04 PM PDT
by
FreepForever
(ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
If this is true, it should certainly have an influence on North Koreas decisions!
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posted on
09/05/2003 7:26:39 PM PDT
by
potlatch
(If you want breakfast in bed - - - sleep in the kitchen!)
To: FreepForever; snopercod; TigerLikesRooster
My impression, based on Japanese-Russian relations, is that Red China has moved troops to divert Russian interest in becoming militarily involved in Nort Korea.
The Red Chinese are saying that, if North Korea will not throw off Stalinism, it will be Red China, and not Russia, that will settle North Korean matters that may spread beyond the borders to the west, north and northeast.
"I am given to understand" that Russia, Japan, and South Korea are all lined up to continue many modernization projects regarding North Korea's infrastructure.
In a way, the noise coming from North Korea, is a cover-up --- the higher-ups protesting through communist channels, about the threat to communism; but the "axis" of Stalinism isn't interested.
The North Korean masters know that they are miserable landlords and time is now short. They are going to be replaced. They are trying, through "solidarity" to buy some time.
Their difficulty is that they are not generous, enterprising souls, and there's no place for them in North Korea's future. Though they like to think that with time, they can change.
Well, time is running out.
That is why they played the nuclear card.
Too late; does not matter; they have no future.
Their choices are now, go quietly or don't go quietly.
If loudly, then Red China has asserted certain of its military options.
Interestingly enough, a similar game is being played out in Zimbabwe. Mubage has been informed by the winds, the birds, the land, sea, and air, if you will, that he should just go away, too.
Unlike Saddam, Mugabe has no place to hide. He's a marked man; and easily so.
Of course, and as usual, IMHO.
To: snopercod
This is all about "Oil is to Arabs as labor is to Red China."
The "commies" have watched the news and gotten the gist of, He who has cheap labor, wins.
As predicted, they will play the game of monopoly for labor, as the Arabs have for oil.
Terrorism, in all flavors.
Frankly, the countries that are safe are the ones supplying the requests for cheap labor and the ones paying for the goods that are produced.
Therein is the lesson on survival.
If we let too much of our own breadwinning capacity get away, we become a threat because our labor becomes cheap as we go broke.
To: First_Salute
Excellent analysis, as usual.
The only piece of the puzzle missing is the U.S. "nuclear umbrella" over Japan. I'm not sure of the condition that old shield these days.
Have the Japanese people become convinced of their need for maintaining their own nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them?
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posted on
09/06/2003 3:20:41 AM PDT
by
snopercod
(And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.)
To: First_Salute
...we become a threat because our labor becomes cheap as we go broke. Exactly. Here's how it went in our little town:
A new owner bought the plant in town that makes specialty papers (cigarette and bible). The first thing he did was tell the union that everyone would have to take a 10% pay cut if the plant was to stay in business.
Now these workers - many of whom had worked there for over twenty years - were making roughly twice the going rate around here. But they went out on strike rather than take the cut.
After a year of "negotiations", the plant shut down and 1000 people are out of work permanently. What kind of job can you get when you've operated the same machine for twenty years and don't know anything else? Not one making $20 per hour in North Carolina, that's for sure.
The young ones have moved on to other states, and the old ones have gone on the dole.
But me, I'm lowering my expectations gracefully. I'm learning to love living on a fraction of what I was earning twenty years ago. It's good training for the Social Security years...
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posted on
09/06/2003 3:44:42 AM PDT
by
snopercod
(And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.)
To: FreepForever
I suspect Chinese strategy would almost allow a US invasion of NK ala Iraqi styled maneuver warfare, simply so as not to show any real need to the US for us to alter our operational art.
If we ever went to war with the Chinese, it wouldn't be the assymetrical warfare we anticipated in Iraq. Air superiority wouldn't be nearly as certain and we would probably witness very real action on our shores.
The Chinese still have an advantage in numbers of armed personnel, making quite a few operational options available to them.
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posted on
09/06/2003 4:08:42 AM PDT
by
Cvengr
(0:^))
To: Cvengr
Please reread the article, I can't see how PRC sending 150K troops to the N Korean border means waging WWIII with USA.
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posted on
09/06/2003 6:58:11 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
They may invade N Korea like Vietnam did to Cambodia.
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posted on
09/06/2003 7:01:31 AM PDT
by
KevinDavis
(Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
To: KevinDavis
Yes, they can but if PRC do want to "invade" DPRK, they don't need to do it by military force. PRC can just turn off the oil and food supply in Winter and Kim's regime will be on his knees. This saves PRC the bad publicity of "invading" and "ally". Don't you think so?
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posted on
09/06/2003 7:12:11 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
To: Cvengr
Further, if the USA invades NK, the ChiComs get to watch and learn about our operational protocols--from very close range. Intel helps.
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posted on
09/06/2003 8:01:27 AM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: snopercod
I believe that the Japanes became convinced about five to seven years ago.
To: tallhappy
Amazing pic! Goes to show "lips and teeth".
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To: FreepForever
PRC can just turn off the oil and food supply in Winter and Kim's regime will be on his knees. As I recall they did shut down the oil line to Kim for a short period to remind him who was calling the shots.
What I don't understand, is why the PRC doesn't shut it down and bring him to his knees. It seems so simple to me; but then I'm sure not an expert, far from it.
Thank you for posting this article, and for your analysis.
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posted on
09/15/2003 10:39:49 PM PDT
by
LisaAnne
(Impeach the 9th CIRCUS judges)
To: FreepForever
I too, don't think the PRC is stupid enough to risk a war with the US just over a mad man. However, PRC is equally wary of a pro-American unified Korea sitting right across her border. That's PRC's headache, not mine. What is gonna really worry them is the thought of a Japanese occupied North Korea. They are quite capable of moving in, securing the country and giving it to the South Koreans to forstall that. After all South Korea is now a major trading partner of the PRC
To: LisaAnne
Yes, they did shut down the oil supply for 3 days as a warning to Kim over something I cannot recall.
Do you know that back in 1993, it was DPRK who cast the last straw on the camels back vote that shattered Chinas dream to hold the 2000 Olympic? PRC swallowed that very hard and blamed the West instead for that because it is too embarrassing to be sold out by an ally. Obviously, PRC is still holding a grudge.
I remember Kim wanted to build a sports stadium and asked PRC to give them 30,000 tons of steel. As an insult to Kim, PRC gave him 30,000 pvc carrying bags.
I have seen many posting in ChiCom forums, the general public in PRC have come to a consensus that this DPRK alliance has devalued over the years into a negative assets for China. I guess this, to a certain extent, reflects the PRCs official view too.
Back to the oil supply. PRC knows that Kim is a rascal and can do anything when he is driven to the corner. If PRC really cut off the oil supply, they fear that Kim will open the border and let millions of hungry refugees to flood into northern China. This will create the biggest humanitarian crisis in human history and no government can handle that. PRCs troop deployment along the border is mainly to prevent this.
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posted on
09/16/2003 7:27:21 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(ChiCom is the hub of all evil)
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