Almost Two Years After They Were Defeated, Thousands Join The Talibans New Jihad

The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-7-2003 | Massoud Ansari

[TBP]

It's interesting to note that Burton has received donations from Council of Khalistan.

This is not accurate. (I have seen the records.) The Council of Khalistan has not made any contributions to Dan Burton; Dr. Aulakh, who heads the Council, has. This is a small difference, perhaps, but a necessary distinction nonetheless.

And let's not forget that the Sikh separatist movement is what brought down Canadian Air flight 182 in 1985.

Not according to Canadian journalists Zuhair Kashmeri of the Toronto Globe and Mail and Brian McAndrew of the Toronto Star. Their book Soft Target shows pretty conclusively that the Indian government was involved in the attack on this plane. The NewsMax article you cited has an excellent paragraph on Soft Target and the evidence it adduces. The two authors covered the incident for their respective newspapers and they didn't think the official explanation passed the smaell test, so they did a good deal of investigation.

A Member of the Canadian Parliament, David Kilgour, later wrote a book called Betrayal: The Spy That Canada Forgot, which covers the exploits of a Canadian-Polish double agent. He was approached, according to Kilgour, by Hindu agents seeking his help for a second airplane bombing.

But while Indians try to figure out that they belong with England and America in the trend toward a modern, democratic and capitalist globalism, Pakistan is close to rejecting it permanently in favor of a uniqely Islamic future.

President Musharraf is our ally and about as secular as Pakistani leaders get. Unfortunately, not all of the government ministers and the military share this view. Instead of beating up on Pakistan, we should try to make certain that Musharraf's view prevails. Otherwise, all that you fear about Pakistan may well come true.

The west is willing to share the east with other religions. Perhaps Hindus are willing to share with the west.

They do not practice religious tolerance within their own borders. An American missionary, Joseph Cooper, was expelled from the country after Hindus beat him up so severely that he had to spend a week in an Indian hospital. Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two little sons were burned to death in their jeep by a mob of Hindu militants chantign "Victory to Hannuman." Christian churches ahve been burned. Nuns have been raped, priests have been attacked, schools have been destroyed by militant Hindus affiliated with the RSS. Police broke up a Christian religious festival with gunfire. Yet not only has no one been punished for these crimes, Prime Minister Vajpayee says that "I will always be a Swayamsewak." Meanwhile, a cabinet minister is quoted as saying that Pakistan should be absorbed into India and another leader says that everyone who lives in India must be a Hindu or be subservient to Hindus. And according to the Washington Times, India is supporting cross-border terrorism in Sindh.

[TBP]

From the NewsMax article you cited:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/7/235654.shtml

"The government also has taken quiet, implicit control of two Sikh organizations, Babbar Khalsa International and the International Sikh Youth Federation, which the United States also has designated as "terrorist organizations."

And on Air India:

"The book "Soft Target," written by Canadian journalists Brian McAndrew of the Toronto Star and Zuhair Kashmeri of the Toronto Globe and Mail, shows that India blew up its own airliner in 1985, killing 329 people, apparently in order to blame Sikhs for the atrocity and create a pretext for more violence against them.

"The book shows that the Indian consul general in Toronto pulled his daughter off the flight shortly before it was due to depart. An auto dealer who was a friend of the consul general also canceled his reservation at the last minute. Surinder Singh, director of North American Affairs for the External Affairs office in New Delhi, also canceled his reservation on that flight.

"The consul general also called to finger a suspect in the case before the public knew that the bombing had taken place. The book quotes an agent of the Canadian State Investigative Service (CSIS) as saying, "If you really want to clear the incidents quickly, take vans down to the Indian High Commission and the consulates in Toronto and Vancouver, load up everybody and take them down for questioning. We know it, and they know it, that they are involved."

The article is very informative on several other points as well.

[Cronos]

The Bad Prophet, that screams of pakpropaganda. To say that a democratic govt would blow up it's own national airline is almost as crazy as the Sauds sayign that 9/11 was plotted by the GOP and Zionists.

The book Soft Target is pure slamic propaganda, written by a slammie who's only aim in life is to lie to the infidels and convert or kill 'em/

[Cronos]

Pak madrassas churn out terroristas and terrorista propaganda paid for by Sauds. Mush is pulling the wool over out eyes, pretending to help while secretly helping hte talibs regroup and attack US troops in Afghanistan. The mullahs rule that country (note it does have Sharia law and does not respect Western Human rights).

[Cronos]

I'd rather believe a country like India which says it's a secular country and which has 120 million slammies (a slammi President and a richest man who is a slammi) and which has 29 million odd Christians living quite well there and who has Jews, Zoroastrians etc. than a regime like pak which calls itself a slamic state and which has LAWS by which Xtians can be executed on trumped up blasphemy charges.

[Cronos]

All the soruces you quote or THEIR soruces are slammie propaganda. THe same one which calls itself a rel of pss.

[swarthyguy]

Like banging your head against a wall, eh?

[TBP]

I'd rather believe a country like India which says it's a secular country

I'd like to believe it too, but unfortunately the evidence shows otherwise. There have been tens of thousands of religious minorities killed by security forces. The massacres in Gujarat last year were planned by the government, according to The Hindu. Also, the police were ordered not to intervene, according to a policeman quoted in an Indian paper. This is eerily reminiscent of the Delhi massacres of Sikhs in 1984, when police were locked in their barracks.

[TBP]

Pay attention. As I said, some of the sources are Indian publications. I'm sure you'd consider them Islamic propaganda, right. Others are papers such as the Washington Times, which I would consider pretty reliable.

[TBP]

To say that a democratic govt would blow up it's own national airline is almost as crazy as the Sauds sayign that 9/11 was plotted by the GOP and Zionists.

The evidence is pretty strong. Even the Canadian Security Investigative Service believes that the Indian government was responsible.

The book Soft Target is pure slamic propaganda, written by a slammie who's only aim in life is to lie to the infidels and convert or kill 'em/

The book has two authors, both of whom were highly enough thought of to be working at a big-city newspaper. One, Zuhair Kashmeri, is probably Muslim. (So what?) The other is Brian McAndrew, a pretty well respected Canadian journalist an,din case you hven't noticed, an Anglo. Even if Kashmeri has an agenda, which I don't think is proven just by his Muslim-sounding name (and I think it's pure bigotry to say that it is), I'm sure McAndrew doesn't, at least not on this particular question.

The evidence that the book adduces is pretty strong. It is buttressed by Kilgour's book. I posted three paragraphs of evidence from the book in an earlier post. I suggest you read it before you put up any more of your bigoted dismissals.

[Howlin]

They should all go to Iraq immediately to fight the great infidel.

[TBP]

Mush is pulling the wool over out eyes, pretending to help while secretly helping hte talibs regroup and attack US troops in Afghanistan.

I don't think he is. Elements of his government are, but he is doing about as much as he can for us without being overthrown. And there is an area along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border that is very hard to control.

It would be easier to control it with more troops in there. Right after our victory in Afghanistan, Musharraf had a lot of troops in there and they were actively helping in the effort. Then India moved a lot of troops to the Kashmir border. This had the desired effect of forcing Musharraf to divert some fo the troops from the Pakistan-Afghanistan border region to Kashmir. That also may have allowed bin Laden to slip through when he couldn't have before (an outcome which would not disturb the Hindu Nazis.)Then India complained publicly that Musharraf wasn't really helping the anti-terror effort. What hypocrites!

[Jeff Head]

Exactly...the infidels are there, and in numbers. It is their duty to stand up to them.

Perhaps a radical Mullah or two can convince them that American guns and bullets have no power over them.

[Cronos]

That also may have allowed bin Laden to slip through when he couldn't have before (an outcome which would not disturb the Hindu Nazis.)

Now, that is illogical. OBL has publicly stated that the US, Israel and India are the enemies. Why would India want him free to carry out more attacks on its soil?

This had the desired effect

The troops were not moved to force Mush to stop the pretence of helping out us, but because the Pack regime had been kind enough to send slamoterroristas to attack the Indian parliament. If they had tried to attack the White house, we would not have just pushed troops to the Pack border, we would've napalmed them. I think the Inds were terribly restrained, in fact, stupidly so, they should have pushed on. They should realise, as we and the Russians have realised, that the only way to stop barbajinsky is NOT to wait for them to attack the gates of civilisation but to hit them on their own territory.

Remember the past: when Trajan went out and hit the barbarians, he secured Pax Romana, when the later Emperors were content to sit back and defend the walls, the walls fell.

What's the Latin translation of "If you desire peace, be prepared to fight"?

[Cronos]

guns and bullets have no power over them

Strangely enough that's already been tried out by some dude in Syria in the 12th (?) century who formed the Hashashin (assassins) and doped them into doing anything he liked, like calmly walking off cliffs, because he made them believe they'd reach heaven by doing so (and get their 70 + 38)

[Cronos]

Also, Mush is doing what he's doing because he has no choice, he doesn't want to do it and the only thing that's making him do so is US pressure -- economic AND military. So, he puts on a facade, while allowing HIS underlings to carry out support of alQ (which they were doing waaaay after 9/11/01).

Mush is a facade, concealing the rotten apple. Pack needs to be cured.

[TBP]

Why would India want him free to carry out more attacks on its soil?

Because anti-Americanism trumps everything else.

Remember that bin Laden also says that the Saudis are his enemy, but the Saudis provide mucho funding to him and his family and his organization.