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Almost Two Years After They Were Defeated, Thousands Join The Talibans New Jihad
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-7-2003 | Massoud Ansari

Posted on 09/06/2003 5:57:12 PM PDT by blam

Almost two years after they were defeated, thousands join the Taliban's new jihad

(Filed: 07/09/2003)

Massoud Ansari travels with militia fighters around the Kandahar region of Afghanistan

They are known as the Sarbaz - those who care nothing for their own lives - and they represent one of the greatest threats to the government of Mohammed Karzai and the international forces seeking to bring stability to the shattered country of Afghanistan.

The Taliban, supposedly vanquished in December 2001 when American and Northern Alliance forces drove them from power, are reviving and fighting back across southern Afghanistan.

Siddiqullah is one of many hundreds - possibly thousands - of young men who have been recruited to the Taliban to join their guerrilla war against government and allied forces. At 24 and recently engaged, he has put his life on hold to wage a holy war on "infidel" forces occupying his country.

"My parents insisted that I wait for a while and get married, but I told them that my first and last commitment is jihad and I don't want to make any other commitment at this stage," he said.

Siddiqullah is involved in the increasing number of hit-and-run attacks against government and American troops, moving from village to village through the bleak mountains of this rugged region, sometimes spending days travelling on foot through the desert.

"Jihad is now ordained for all of us," said Siddiqullah, and it seems that many young men agree with him. Students from religious seminaries across the border in the Pakistani province of Baluchistan have joined the war within Afghanistan, and are ready to take part in suicide missions.

Members of the Taliban say that their renewed campaign follows a reorganisation carried out by three regional commanders earlier this year, on the orders of the movement's one-eyed spiritual leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar - who, along with Osama bin Laden, remains at large.

Responding to the call, Mullah Dadullah Kakar, a one-legged veteran of the war against the Russians, and Maulvi Sadiq Hameed travelled to the Madrassas, or religious schools, in Baluchistan, to recruit students.

The third Taliban commander, Hafiz Majeed, garnered support from the tribal chieftains and elders in southern Afghanistan.

Dadullah has fought the allies ever since the Taliban regime was driven from Kabul, Kandahar and Afghanistan's other main cities. As one of Mullah Omar's most trusted lieutenants, he escaped to Pakistan, where he was sheltered by Kakar tribesmen in Baluchistan.

"The tribesman not only gave him shelter but also bought him a Land Cruiser and gave him huge amounts of money," said a Taliban fighter. Later, when they realised that he might be arrested in Baluchistan, the tribesmen moved Dadullah to a house in part of Karachi - Pakistan's biggest city - which is dominated by affluent Pathan businessmen.

Subsequently Dadullah, accompanied by religious scholars from Afghanistan, visited dozens of religious schools in Pakistan's tribal areas to lecture students and deliver instructions on jihad from Mullah Omar.

While hundreds have already joined the fight, Taliban leaders claim that many more religious students from Pakistan are ready to go.

In the past 15 days alone, about 150 people - including Afghan troops, policemen and civilians - have been killed in southern Afghanistan. The most significant attack came when 400 Taliban militia reportedly captured one of the districts of Zabul province for a few hours, killing 29 government soldiers and even hoisting a Taliban flag. They used the loudspeakers of mosques to warn residents not to co-operate with United States forces or the government.

The Taliban are drawing on support from Pathans, who complain that they are under-represented in the government compared with the ethnic Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks who have taken many of the senior jobs in the police force, army and administration.

Meanwhile, many traders, already compelled to pay extortion money to Northern Alliance warlords, subsequently lost their businesses to the looters who roam Afghanistan's highways. Those who resisted were killed.

The scarcity of reconstruction work in Afghanistan's southern regions, where people lack healthcare, education or even wells for drinking water, has boosted the Taliban's recruitment drive. Mohammed Hasan, a villager in a remote valley near the Pakistan border, said: "We supported the coalition because we thought that they would change our life, but so far nothing has changed."

Many areas of the south still look as they did under Taliban rule: men wear black turbans, women cover themselves from head to toe, and there are no cinemas or television sets. With only 15,000 American troops in the whole of Afghanistan, it is impossible for them to keep an eye on every single movement.

Mohammed Amin, a 30-year-old leading a group of Taliban in the Pashmol district of Kandahar province, said hundreds of tribesmen were acting as the eyes and ears for the movement, supplying information on the movement of government forces. Some of the volunteers children were as young as 12.

Meanwhile, he boasted, Taliban fighters had managed to join the Afghan government army, where they acted as spies and saboteurs. "They either confide to us information about the plans movement of Afghan US troops, or they attack these troops and kill them."

Taliban fighters go to great lengths to avoid detection, moving in small groups of 20 or fewer, emerging from hideouts after dark to lie in wait for government patrols, or to launch ambushes on army outposts while troops sleep.

Most of the communication is through hand-written notes, although local commanders also use satellite telephones and radios.

Amin showed me a handwritten letter bearing the signature of Mullah Omar, urging his men to fight and free the people from the "slavery of the infidel US".

However, the Taliban fighters say they do not intend trying to regain control of the whole of Afghanistan in the near future. "We've the strength, guts and force to take even Kabul any time, but we know our limitations and we wouldn't be able to sustain that control," said 28-year-old Habibullah, a recent recruit to the militia from the refugee camps in Pakistan.

"We don't have the technology to withstand B-52 air strikes. What we are trying to do is inflict maximum damage to the US troops and their allies so that they get fed up and leave our country.

"We know that won't be soon but we also know that they will get fed up eventually. Look at what our long resistance did to the Russians."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; defeated; jihad; southasia; southasialist; taliban; talibanlist; talibans; thousands
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1 posted on 09/06/2003 5:57:13 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 09/06/2003 6:05:28 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: blam
Great, let them all come together, out in the open, forming up into large formations...larger than we have ever seen before...and make Jihad against the U.S. Army, the U.S Marines, the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Navy.

It will allow us to clean up this mess much quicker and in numbers. Best thing they can do.

3 posted on 09/06/2003 6:07:20 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: blam
We need to break out more bombs.
4 posted on 09/06/2003 6:09:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blam
"those who care nothing for their own lives"

As a matter of fact, U.S. forces don't much care about the taliban lives either. 'Hope every one of those pigs gets roasted.

5 posted on 09/06/2003 6:09:21 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Jeff Head
US Marine with a Mark 19 AGL:

"You guys wanna play games? You ******* wanna play games? Well, say hello to my little friend here!"
6 posted on 09/06/2003 6:09:36 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: blam; JohnGalt; sheltonmac
Siddiqullah is one of many hundreds - possibly thousands - of young men who have been recruited to the Taliban to join their guerrilla war against government and allied forces. At 24 and recently engaged, he has put his life on hold to wage a holy war on "infidel" forces occupying his country.

Guess there wasn't an exit strategy there either....

8 posted on 09/06/2003 6:12:41 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: blam
The more things change, the more they remain the same. Mohammedism is intrinsically intractable. That has not changed, and never will.
9 posted on 09/06/2003 6:13:07 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Aunt Enna
The Pakistani Air Force was probably working for the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence service. Whether it was the boss-man at ISI, working his game, or someone else who had his own agenda...that's anyone's guess.

A semi-common mistake in international relations case studies is to assume that the "Stans" (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tadzhikistan, Turkmenistan, and, for wall we know, Lemonade Stan) have coherent governments that act as unitary, rational-minded entities.

Over in that neck of the woods, intrigue and back-stabbing isn't just something to do, it's a way of life.
10 posted on 09/06/2003 6:14:05 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: blam
Socialists seek first power, for the supposed benefit of " The People."

Only problem is that once socialists achieve power (Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Clinton), all they have time to oncentrate on is keeping power -- to the detriment of all "The People" enslaved within their power.

11 posted on 09/06/2003 6:14:12 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Jeff Head
Great, let them all come together, out in the open, forming up into large formations...larger than we have ever seen before..

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It won't happen. They are fighting smart, employing guerrilla warfare.

12 posted on 09/06/2003 6:14:55 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Poohbah
LOL!

Like I said, if they want to get it out in the open for a stand-up fight...bring it on.

A few thousand of them tried that last time and they got a 1st class ticket home to Allah so he could settle them down.

13 posted on 09/06/2003 6:15:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: blam
Good...now that they are out of the closet...lets kill'em and do humanity a service.
14 posted on 09/06/2003 6:16:13 PM PDT by dinok
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To: RLK
sometimes spending days travelling on foot through the desert

Well, if hundreds, or maybe thousands of them are doing this...the result will be the same.

15 posted on 09/06/2003 6:18:06 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Poohbah

16 posted on 09/06/2003 6:19:23 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: Aunt Enna
This ought to help out a little:

India Israel pact

17 posted on 09/06/2003 6:20:05 PM PDT by jwalburg (The Democrats are trying to overturn the results of free enterprise)
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To: RLK
They are fighting smart, employing guerrilla warfare.

The Afghani government soldiers themselves are sure to be better equipped. And do I understand correctly that more and more of the "foreign" peacekeeping in Afghanistan is being turned over to Germans and others?

For various reasons, if it is US/UK alone, we won't be able to sustain in both Afghanistan and Iraq and ... wherever. However, if several countries are commited long term, and yes the UN (shudder), to containing this guerilla warfare, I think the experience of the Russians need not necessarily be repeated.

18 posted on 09/06/2003 6:23:14 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: blam
Almost two years after they were defeated, thousands join the Taliban's new jihad"

Somehow, I doubt that their Class of 2003 will be planning any future class reunions.

19 posted on 09/06/2003 6:24:45 PM PDT by alancarp (SItting Senators ought not cash in while under the public trust)
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To: blam
Islamic bug light. CYA
20 posted on 09/06/2003 6:24:49 PM PDT by yooper
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To: blam
Sombody email allah about these new pagan recruits. Looks like another shortage of virgins in the making!
21 posted on 09/06/2003 6:25:22 PM PDT by winker
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To: blam
They are known as the Sarbaz - those who care nothing for their own lives

As they have denounced their humanity then they should be given no quarter.

22 posted on 09/06/2003 6:26:32 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Por La Raza Mierda.)
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To: blam
They'll make good ferterlizer
23 posted on 09/06/2003 6:27:44 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (Bush, Rumsfieldt and Congress steal my pension because I'm a retired DAV. www.supportthevets.com)
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To: Militiaman7
What would Howard Dean say: It is our fault we made them mad. If we would have stayed home everything would be alright. Now elect me and we will be safe.
24 posted on 09/06/2003 6:30:31 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Brimack34
HEADLINE: Losers in war talk tough afterwards.
25 posted on 09/06/2003 6:35:53 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains
This is a continuation of religeous war. But Jesus is King and these sorry godless creatures will be crushed in the dirt.
26 posted on 09/06/2003 6:39:12 PM PDT by GWMDB
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To: blam
Almost two years after they were defeated

They were not defeated.

Their government was chased from power, and their fighters were dispersed.

Defeated means that they are broken and are amenable to our will.

That is not true in Afgahnistan, and it is not true in Iraq.

27 posted on 09/06/2003 6:42:13 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Jeff Head
let them all come together

That would be a MOAB moment.

28 posted on 09/06/2003 6:42:47 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: blam
"I told them that my first and last commitment is jihad...

The 2003 Darwin Award Contender from Afganistan!

29 posted on 09/06/2003 6:47:25 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: blam
Alert, Alert, Alert!....Jihad #23,556,678,008,543,234!
30 posted on 09/06/2003 6:57:29 PM PDT by God luvs America
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To: Aunt Enna; jwalburg; Poohbah; Cronos; swarthyguy; A Simple Soldier; rmlew; DeaconBenjamin; ...
>>>> If this story is true, who's the enemy?

For the last year, my Hindu friends have been telling me that the State Department was mistaken in its attempts to whitewash Mushraff's innocence and Pakistan's guilt in fomenting the Taliban's rise to power. Iraq first, they said? Why Iraq now, when Saudi Arabia has financed and Pakistan has deployed an Islamic bomb already?

My stock and standard answer was "Give the president a chance. You haven't seen anything yet."

I'm still waiting. We had a hollow but necessary victory in Iraq, but our enemies are still gathering their forces. The Roadmap proved my Hindu friends were right. Abaas's resignation just makes the proof stronger.
31 posted on 09/06/2003 6:58:31 PM PDT by risk
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To: blam
OMG! And this time they are going to be even MORE formidable than last time! What utter nonsense. The Left is going apoplectic and hysterical these days. LOL!
32 posted on 09/06/2003 7:15:51 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: risk
"Why Iraq now, when Saudi Arabia has financed and Pakistan has deployed an Islamic bomb already?

Not many people know that.

The Saudi's passed the money through the BCCI bank which also gave money to Jimmy Carter ($13m), Jesse Jackson and Andrew Young.

The Saudi's also have Chinese ballistic missiles deployed now for decades.

33 posted on 09/06/2003 7:28:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: Jim Noble
Arguably correct. They will be defeated after enough of them have been killed and they stand down. The rise in power of the more sensible countrymen should hasten this, God willing.
34 posted on 09/06/2003 7:30:46 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: risk
correct. We cut off the tail but the lizard still wags the stump -and can grow it back in time.
35 posted on 09/06/2003 7:32:06 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: blam
We should help them with their Jihads ...we can help them get their virgins in an afterlife
36 posted on 09/06/2003 7:35:45 PM PDT by woofie
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To: blam
They are known as the Sarbaz - those who care nothing for their own lives

I don't give a flip for their lives, either.

37 posted on 09/06/2003 7:50:21 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: risk
The Iraq victory was FAR FROM HOLLOW. ... The center of Arab civilization was for many centuries in Baghdad, and will once again be that way, this time as a Democracy that will forever change the face of Islam.

This is long, long term culture change, but the Iraq Liberation war just speeded up history by about 50 years. The terrorists know this and that is why they are blowing things up in baghdad; if it didnt matter they wouldnt be doing that.

Paki's complicity in the taliban is of historical interest but the key thing is that the taliban have used Pakistan madrasses as recruiting grounds and pakistan
Give the Prez credit on the fact that he is looking at the situation now and not historically, and using what he can of Pakistan's help. It's a balancing act, to not turn them agains tus and thereby turn Pakistan into a nuclear-armed safe haven for terrorists (bad bad bad scenario); we need Pakistan on our side even if it's full of taliban sympathizers, indeed, all the more more because of that.

Sooner or later though, the wahabbi Saudi's, the Iranians ayatollahs and the Paki taliban-lovers have to come to account: Free Lebanon, quit funding palestinian terrorism, quit funding wahabbism, rid kashmir and pakistan of terrorists and al quaeda, give up the bomb (for Pakistan and Iran), and put Iran, SA, and Pakistan on road to freedom, tolerance, and Democracy. A long fight.
38 posted on 09/06/2003 8:00:48 PM PDT by WOSG (Lower Taxes means economic growth)
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To: risk
The Hindus have their own agenda and it is strongly anti-American. They have refused to provide any cooperation in the War on Terror, while Pakistan has been helping us track down Al Qaeda members and leaders.

In fact, when Pakistan started doing this, India moved troops to the Kashmir border. Their plan worked. They forced Pakistan to divert troops to the border and away from the search for Al Qaeda, then they complained that Pakistan wasn't helping.

Hindustan has had a long history of anti-Americnism.

India votes against us at the UN more often than any country except Cuba. (That's right -- more than Red China!) It voted with the world's tyrannies to throw the United States off the Human Rights Commission.

Last year, India entered into a large oil deal with Iraq. They referred to Iraq as a "strategic partner." They have sold heavy water to Iran.

India was a longtime ally of the Soviet Union, with which it had a 100-year friendship treaty, and supported the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, yet opposed our actions there.

In 1999, according to The Indian Express, the Indian Defense Minister organized and led a meeting with the Ambassadors from Cuba, Red China, Iraq, Russia, Libya, and Serbia aimed at setting up a security alliance "to stop the U.S." He described America as "vulgarly arrogant."

India is not a country to be trusted.

39 posted on 09/06/2003 8:06:13 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Brimack34
Also, Dean would say, we as Americans must understand the rage of the jihadist and to quote our former leader "We need to feel their pain".

IMHO, Dean is full of BS.

40 posted on 09/06/2003 8:20:23 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (Bush, Rumsfieldt and Congress steal my pension because I'm a retired DAV. www.supportthevets.com)
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To: TBP
Hindustan has had a long history of anti-Americnism.

Yes, and I think it is based on a deep-seated mistrust of all things Anglo Saxon. And I am not in favor of fighting a proxy war on behalf of the Hindus. Moreover, I think that attacking Iraq first and eliminating its ability to strike at our flanks or at Israel was wise.

I just find myself waiting for the next blow to fall on our enemies, and it increasingly appears that our leadership is afraid to face the worst of the situation.

41 posted on 09/06/2003 9:00:41 PM PDT by risk
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To: WOSG
The Iraq victory was FAR FROM HOLLOW

I had two things in mind when I said that: first, the Iraq war is not done yet, and I think we should have waited to declare victory. Second, compared to what has to be done, it may not seem like it was so difficult, and yet we seem to be resting on our laurels. With Korea and Pakistan, there are real nuclear threats to manage. We may have to accept a great deal of risk to eliminate our enemies. I think Americans were prepared for that in the spring of 2003, but our focus has been diminished by the PR campaign.

Give the Prez credit on the fact that he is looking at the situation now and not historically, and using what he can of Pakistan's help. It's a balancing act, to not turn them agains tus and thereby turn Pakistan into a nuclear-armed safe haven for terrorists . . .

I've been saying exactly the same thing for two years. It's now almost 9/11/2003. I'm still waiting to see the promises of crossing any border, crushing any and all terrorists, and making their protectors pay. The roadmap is a complete farce in that respect. It's been a waste of precious Israeli life, and a humiliation for all of us. Those responsible for it in this administration must be asked to resign, or else we have to ask what other doubts we should be having?

A long fight.

That's what we said at the beginning of the Cold War. It's what CFR (Council for Foreign Relations) told us about the Soviet union in the middle of the Vietnam war. It's what Carter believed. And after defeating the Soviet union and soundly trouncing Iraq, Clinton was afraid to challenge North Korea. Reagan proved that we could win the Cold War if we had faith, and were willing to sacrifice. And we could win it in a decade, not a series of lifetimes. Can't we also do better now? All of America, centrist Democrats, conservative Democrats, Republicans, and many Libertarians are behind a sweep to victory. Why haven't we used that consensus to really take this war to a level that corresponds to the 9/11 attacks? I sense a timidity on the part of the administration: keep the casualty count down, restrain the military, appease the home front that appears devided due to the cacaphony on the far left. Meanwhile the Taliban regroups, the Iranians fashion their bombs, and Pakistan loses moderate political control, or maybe never had it. We can do better. I just want GW to know that we actually expect it. He has our support because we believed he would do what he said. I'm waiting.

42 posted on 09/06/2003 9:24:14 PM PDT by risk
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To: Jim Noble; Mad_Tom_Rackham
They were not defeated.

Their government was chased from power, and their fighters were dispersed.

Defeated means that they are broken and are amenable to our will.

That is not true in Afgahnistan, and it is not true in Iraq.

Actually a government being forced from power by opposing military force is an excellent example of being defeated. And that fact that both the current governments of Afphanistan and Iraq are working with us and supporting our efforts would indicate that they are pretty amenable to our will.

There are degrees of victory and defeat. It is ok to say that the enemy had been defeated on the battlefield without implying that the war is over. As this clearly is the case. I think that we need to be very care not to come up with an all or nothing standard for victory (not accusing you of that).

43 posted on 09/06/2003 9:33:43 PM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: blam
bttt
44 posted on 09/06/2003 9:33:49 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Jim Noble
Correct.
46 posted on 09/06/2003 9:56:35 PM PDT by RLK
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To: blam
Kakkate koi!
47 posted on 09/06/2003 10:09:10 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (...they led my people astray, saying, "Peace!" when there was no peace -- Ezekiel 13:10)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Iok Etakkak!
48 posted on 09/06/2003 10:14:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Look at what our long resistance did to the Russians."

Hmmm. The US did in 3 mos. what the Soviets couldnt do in 10 years..

49 posted on 09/06/2003 10:17:14 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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The US did in 3 mos. what the Soviets couldnt do in 10 years.

The three months is misleading in that sense, though. The Taliban weren't supported by another superpower. But the Afghanistan conflict in the '80s was really a hot point in the wider Cold War. The Soviet "local" best was against our covert/remote best. Unfortunately, the Taliban started believing that because they were able to drive out the Soviets with our help, they could do anything.

The Taliban are sexually confused, goat-herding drug lords with a penchant for SUVs and highway robbery. But Pakistan has nukes, and I don't believe for a minute that Pakistan is under strict control of moderates. We may wake up one day and find that Pakistan has had another junta, and by the way their nukes are all scattered over the mideast and are ready to fire unless Israel agrees to pack up and leave, America departs from the entire region, and India leaves Kashmir.

50 posted on 09/06/2003 10:59:43 PM PDT by risk
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