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U.S. warns Israel off Arafat as Abbas quits
Haaretz ^ | 09-07-03

Posted on 09/06/2003 9:17:58 PM PDT by Brian S

U.S. warns Israel off Arafat as Abbas quits

By Aluf Benn and Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondents

The United States has told Israel it expects "no surprises" regarding Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat following the resignation
of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday.

Abbas submitted his resignation in a power struggle with Yasser Arafat, dealing what could be a fatal blow to the U.S.'s road map for peace. Abbas's aides said he was bitter over his failure to carry out reforms and implement peace steps and was determined not to return.

It was not clear Saturday whether Arafat would accept Abbas's resignation, as he does not wish to be blamed for the road map's collapse and expose himself to Israel's threats of expulsion. However, Arafat did announce a caretaker cabinet, triggering off speculation as to whom his candidate for prime minister would be.

The White House on Saturday urged Israel to keep a cool head after Abbas's resignation and the Israeli missile strike in Gaza that wounded Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. "We are following events in the region closely and our representatives are in touch with all concerned parties," a White House spokesman said.

"At this critical moment, it is important that all parties consider carefully the consequences of their actions," the statement added.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Saturday he did not expect Arafat to be expelled at this time. Sharon intends to discuss the proposals to expel Arafat, as he has done in the past, but will take into account the Americans' objection to an Israeli move against the PA chairman for fear of the regional consequences.

Israel made it clear after Abbas's resignation that it would not hold talks with Arafat or any prime minister he appoints. Defense Minister
Shaul Mofaz said that in principle, it would be better if Arafat were out of the territories, but did not suggest expelling him right now.

The U.S. said it expected Israel to uphold the understanding that any Israeli move "to take care of" Arafat was taken only after consultation between Jerusalem and Washington.

The Arafat issue was the main focus of the talks held by Sharon's bureau chief, Dov Weisglass, with U.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin Powell in Washington. Weisglass told his hosts that Arafat systematically and brutally undermined Abbas and was a growing obstruction to the road map. He said that as long as Arafat was there, the PA would not have a serious prime minister and the Palestinian security forces would not act in unison against terrorism.

However, diplomatic sources in Jerusalem said Weisglass did not ask the Americans for a green light to expel Arafat from the territories.

The American officials made it clear that the U.S. still adhered to the road map as the way to settle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Without raising objections to the Israel Defense Forces activity in the territories, Rice and Powell insisted that Israel take care not to harm innocent Palestinian citizens. The U.S. administration asked Israel to consider its steps carefully to make sure they do not damage "the overall picture."

A senior cabinet source said Saturday that the IDF would continue acting against Hamas and its leaders, in keeping with the security cabinet's decision of August 20, after the suicide bus bombing in Jerusalem.


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To: Brian S
What does the DOJ firing all the attorneys have to do with the State Dept. The DOS did not fire anybody - that's part of the problem. Powell and Bush are not saying the same thing - and it has been quite obvious.
51 posted on 09/06/2003 11:18:47 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: Brian S
One begins to think that the Saudis have told Bush that Arafat is not to be touched lest oil prices skyrocket.

At any rate, the Saudis and Arafat are immune to American and Jewish missiles.

52 posted on 09/06/2003 11:20:37 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: yonif; Robert_Paulson2; All
you got it...

GWB must (NO EXCUSES PLEASE) maintain the moral integrity of american fopo. by excusing arafat and not OBL or Saddam and sons (or iran) he looks hypocritical. could it be the bush and powell relationship with the house of saud here? hmmm

Robert_Paulson2.... israel is quite capable of handling any war in the region, with or without missiles. if the us and/or israel were to engage in a regional conflict, it would be the us that would own all the oil.. no one is going to mess with the big dog.
53 posted on 09/06/2003 11:21:42 PM PDT by APRPEH (dont forget to rinse)
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To: Brian S
Shortly before Clinton left office .. many became civil service employees .. it's my understanding that they are not easy to be fired



http://exchanges.state.gov/education/engteaching/pubs/AmLnC/br28.htm

The Pendleton Act classified certain jobs, removed them from the patronage ranks, and set up a Civil Service Commission to administer a system based on merit rather than political connections. As the classified list was expanded over the years, it provided the American people with a competent and permanent government bureaucracy. In 1883 fewer than 15,000 jobs were classified; by the time McKinley became president in 1897, 86,000 -- almost half of all federal employees -- were in classified positions. Today, with the exception of a few thousand policy-level appointments, nearly all federal jobs are handled within the civil service system.

54 posted on 09/06/2003 11:23:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: AFPhys
Mo1... Easy answer to give in detail for you, I'm sure when you get around to it... short answer is that it protects way too many of govm't employees from being released easily..

BINGO!

55 posted on 09/06/2003 11:24:16 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Slings and Arrows; doug from upland
Shalom!

Hi...Slings and Arrows,

Post # 8!

You sure have a way with Words!

By the way...I sure DO Agree with You.

(With the melody and tune of RAW HIDE...Blues Brother's Style rolling around my head) LOL!

I wish I had the words of RAW HIDE to post.

Maybe Doug from Upland might lend a hand?!

OY VEY!

56 posted on 09/06/2003 11:27:51 PM PDT by Simcha7 (The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!)
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To: CyberAnt; Brian S
What does the DOJ firing all the attorneys have to do with the State Dept. The DOS did not fire anybody - that's part of the problem

I think his point is there there are still some Clinton people in the DOS that need to be fired

I agree with him .. but I don't think that is going to happen fast enough

57 posted on 09/06/2003 11:28:44 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: CyberAnt
Powell and Bush are not saying the same thing - and it has been quite obvious. And for whom does the State Department serve...if not for the President?
58 posted on 09/06/2003 11:30:07 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
Yes, Powell does serve the President, but more than once Powell has spoken out of turn and has had to change his stance - publicly. However, that doesn't mean there are not other people still within the DOS who have another agenda. Clinton just added to the bunch which were already there.
59 posted on 09/06/2003 11:39:23 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: blam
yes.
60 posted on 09/06/2003 11:51:56 PM PDT by Bobby777 (America sez: Don't Make Us Mad Enough to Put Down the Remote and Get off the Couch!!!)
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To: Brian S
Pointy-browed Powell needs to go. But Bush can't risk losing him before an election. Being a pragmatist,Bush has few firm principles that guide him politically. That's why he's so hard to pinpoint. If he had principles, he would have applied his famous terrorism declaration to our close friend Israel.
61 posted on 09/07/2003 12:01:15 AM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Robert_Paulson2
... because there is something EVIL going on in Washington DC. Only a FOOL could not see your point of comparison as reasonable...

I throw my hands in the air, because I don't know what else to conclude either. Arafat should have been worm food 20 years ago. For him to be alive, is EVIL. There is a SICKNESS in Washington.

62 posted on 09/07/2003 12:08:04 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Brian S
The Sunday Night National broadcast/speech by President Bush will "address" what American and the World will come to expect from him on these issues. Only two choices, either withdraw from or confront Terrorism. I think he and we will stay the course and turn up the pressure on Iran, Sryia, Arafat and North Korea. France is the main diplomatic problem and should be exposed for her alignment with these Axis of Evil participants for they could not continue with promises from Europe and Russia (both wish for the seventies again!).
63 posted on 09/07/2003 12:16:25 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Brian S
Sort of.... but you are very badly mistaken about the laws and, yes - boy Clinton did break them but then the war with Yugo was also a break from the 1947 Genva Conventions on War as well.
64 posted on 09/07/2003 12:18:46 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper
Actually, the foreign service is full of career employees all the way up to the Ambassador level. But a quick check of appointments to ambassador will show that a career employee is never appointed to our most important diplomatic posts; we are guilty diplomatically of the same folly the Europeans have always been with military appointments (the rich and friends of the leadership). Each administration appoints their own ambassadors, usually because these people want a title - in the US the only titles of royality are Ambassadorships and Military Officers (ask the diplomats of world).

Our foreign policy suffers mainly because of the disconnect between the professional DOS employees and the appointees, of which Powell can be counted amongst!

65 posted on 09/07/2003 12:23:30 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Brian S
Jordan destroyed the PLO in the early-mid 70's after PLO tried to overthrow kingdom. The PLO almost destroyed Lebanon prior to the Israeli invasion; Israel stopped PLO's influence in Lebanese civil war thus cutting it short. Tunisia couldn't get rid of the PLO any faster. The PLO played an important role in Saddam's initial attack on Kuwait. The PLO danced in the streets of Gaza, et al when the Scuds hit Tel Aviv. The PLO danced in the streets on 9-11-01.

The man in charge of the PLO? General Yassar "My Boy Lollipop" Arafat.

Bush41, Clinton, and Bush43 memoes to Israel: Deal with Arafat as a statesman and an equal or else! By the way, we're giving him your land. Thanks for all your help. Love ya babe. Let's do lunch in Norway again Peres. Ciao.

66 posted on 09/07/2003 1:00:20 AM PDT by sully777 (Yesterday is today you may regret tomorrow)
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To: Brian S
The United States has told Israel it expects "no surprises" regarding Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat following the resignation of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday.

Our own country (rightly) refused to conform the dictates of its rightful security needs to the "expectations" of other countries (France, etc.).

Unless the blood of an Israeli Jew is somehow inherently less precious than that of an American citizen: there are no legitimate moral grounds upon which the U.S. can "insist" upon any action or non-action, so long as the citizens of Israel remain under attack by an enemy publicly sworn to butcher them all, down to the last child.

The leaders of Israel must --must! -- do anything and everything necessary, in order to safeguard its people.

The latter have a God-given right to live, unharmed and free; and the former, a sacred obligation to safeguard said right.

67 posted on 09/07/2003 1:22:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: Slings and Arrows
The U.S. said it expected Israel to uphold the understanding that any Israeli move "to take care of" Arafat was taken only after consultation between Jerusalem and Washington.

You are so right... The Prez needs to know beforehand what is going to go down, we also have to prepare. I'd say all the Prez needs is a 10 or 5 minute notice on the phone before the boiling begins of RAT & FAT and the reporters start rushing in to get it on live TV.
68 posted on 09/07/2003 1:59:32 AM PDT by stlnative (My heart and mind hangs heavier as another 9/11 approaches, as I will never forget!)
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To: Brian S
Rice and Powell insisted that Israel take care not to harm innocent Palestinian citizens.

But a busload of Israeli men, women and children are fair game for a Arafat-backed homicide bomber?

Rise and Powell need to kindly butt out and let Israel get rid of the cockroach infestation once and for all.
69 posted on 09/07/2003 2:42:05 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Brian S
To whom is American and Israeli blood flowing in the streets "a good thing".


70 posted on 09/07/2003 3:54:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Brian S
The good thing here, in a lousy situation, is that the RoadMap is being exposed for the idiocy it is, sans genuine Pal participation; and Bush's Pal policy for what it is: appeasement.
71 posted on 09/07/2003 4:17:21 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Mo1
The US Administration. Is that the clowns in the State Department??
72 posted on 09/07/2003 4:51:35 AM PDT by jwin
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To: Brian S
The Bible tells us that nations are judged according to how they judge Israel. This artible explains why we can't take out Osama or Saddam. We won't let Israel take out Arafat, so God won't let us take out our enemies.
73 posted on 09/07/2003 6:23:58 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
If all that happened...look for things to go WAY south in the Far East as well.

I'm afraid everyone would jump on the band wagon precisely because of what you have mentioned...which is the exact premise of my novel series.

74 posted on 09/07/2003 6:47:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Shalom, George."

"Howdy, Arik. What's up?"

"We're going boil Arafat alive in a tub of bacon fat."

"Have fun."

Haaaaaaa, haaaa!!

Yer' funny!  !

75 posted on 09/07/2003 7:31:46 AM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: ImpeachandRemove
And in case some of us don't know or forgot, he ordered the death of two American diplomats in the 70's. The NSA has him on tape giving the order.

What I fail to understand is why our gov't tries to coddle and protect this criminal. Our protection of this worthless piece of garbage has got to have something to do with Saudis. Arafat is a worthless piece of garbage and somebody needs to take him out. What are we saying here? "Careful Israel, you might actually piss some Arabs off if you take him out. SO WHAT...they are killing busloads of childredn, I don't mind pissing them off.

76 posted on 09/07/2003 7:39:46 AM PDT by LinuxRocks
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
It is that kind of hubris that results in the destruction of societies (in this case our own). We are going conquer and hold a population exceeding one billion and spanning 7,000 miles (millions of square miles) east to west with a total land force (U.S. and Israel combined) of some 900,000 soldiers?

Our hands are entirely full right now with Iraq and Afghanistan, and neither is finished yet to the point where forces can be drawn down. If we lost the assistance of the Gulf States, Pakistan, and, yes even the Saudi bastards (who are still pumping oil), and they actively opposed us we would not be able to maintain our current position let alone take on a new war against Egypt, Syria, Iran, Algeria, Libya, Jordan, Indonesia and those former "allies" at the same time. And hello, what side do you think that France, Germany, Russia and China would be on?

77 posted on 09/07/2003 7:46:06 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: BerniesFriend
Yes tits up
78 posted on 09/07/2003 7:47:28 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; SJackson; yonif; rdb3; Simcha7; American in Israel; ...
Note KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle's comments. Waxing on the side of outright logic and moral clarity, and clear analytical, critical thinking. Would to G-d George and our foreign policy wonks would do the same, huh? Hmmm....

Kent's comments in post 67


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79 posted on 09/07/2003 7:49:15 AM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
the blood of an Israeli Jew is somehow inherently less precious than that of an American citizen

Hamas has also murdered American citizens, both Jews and Christians

80 posted on 09/07/2003 7:52:43 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: BerniesFriend
It's time for arafat to go..

If Bush cared about Miguel Estrada half as much as he does Arafat, Mr Estrada would be a sitting justice right now.

Bush's Middle East policy stinks. Our position on Arafat makes a mockery on the so-called "War on Terror".

81 posted on 09/07/2003 7:53:50 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Brian S
We have spent a great deal of energy, diplomatic effort and money ensuring that the "Arab Street" (and by that, I don't mean those bozos in their "parades", I mean a unification of policy, in this case a policy of war, by all of the Islamic nations. Like it or not, whatever happened in the past or not, if Israel went to exterminate the Palestinian authority and retake those lands, it would NOW cause a unification of policy, war policy, against both Israel and the U.S. by all other Islamic nations (with possibly a couple of exceptions like Turkey and Morocco).

Doing this would result in at best stalemate, western economic collapse (Germany, Russia, and France would likely cut their own deals to back the Islamics against the U.S.), a golden opportunity for conquest for China and N.K., and the end of the U.S. as we know it with President Hillary and new, huge, Democrat majorities in the House and Senate.

82 posted on 09/07/2003 7:56:26 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Brian S
The United States has told Israel it expects "no surprises" regarding Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat...

In light of "Chairman" Arafat's past resume of pure evil, every day that goes by without news of his death doesn't "surprise" me -- it shocks me.

And how is it the U.S. State Dept. fears Arafat's death will make him a martyr, while Saddam Hussein's death won't?

83 posted on 09/07/2003 7:59:14 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Brian S
Arafat must NEVER be assasinated, as Israel is a civilized nation. NOR can be ever be expelled, as his crimes against humanity are too great to be brushed aside.

Arafat must be tried as was Adolf Eichmann, in a glass booth in Jerusalem. there the full account of his murderous deeds can be detailed for all the world, including his ordering the murders of U.S. diplomats (Israel can attempt to subpoena the NSA tapes).

Then Arafat will be hanged, as was the Nazi butcher Eichmann.

84 posted on 09/07/2003 8:03:03 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
"Our hands are entirely full right now ...."

Good tactical and force review. Thing is history has a tendency to go all higgley-piggley at the most inopportune times. I read current events as vulnerable to just such an untidy scenario.

Which I can say to is: YIKES!

85 posted on 09/07/2003 8:03:07 AM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Brian S
When it comes to common sense, the U.S. State Department has little to none.
86 posted on 09/07/2003 8:14:15 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Salem
Yer' funny!

Why, thank you! I try.

87 posted on 09/07/2003 8:16:56 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Salem
What I think the administration fears from things going all higgley-piggley is that one or more parties will elect to go nuclear once someone starts winning and someone else starts losing. Pakistan has nukes, and if Pakistan comes apart, and the crazies take over in a quick coup-de-tat there, then some of those nukes may move west not east.

The U.S. will not go nuclear, but if anyone else does the outcry internally and internationally about Bush's bumbling into nuclear war will most certainly end the Bush Administration and enter the reign of Queen Hillary I in the former Republic of the United States (little hyperbole there for effect).

They game these things intensely, I suspect there are no good results, internally or in the strategic military sense, that come from Israel letting it all hang out.

88 posted on 09/07/2003 8:18:18 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Simcha7
Shalom!

Thank you very much!

For the record, I generally support Dubya. It's just that on the matter of Israel, I think the whole administration needs a few tough-love whacks with a clue-by-four.

89 posted on 09/07/2003 8:21:07 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: brigette
Aw heck, make it 15 minutes! Anything for a friend.
90 posted on 09/07/2003 8:22:04 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Simcha7; Sir Gawain
Terrorist du-jour...

Jordan's King Abdullah II (L) shakes hands with Iranian President Mohammad Khatami (R) in front of an honor guard upon his arrival in Tehran. King Abdullah is on the first visit to Iran by a Jordanian royal in 25 years.(AFP/Behrouz Mehri)

91 posted on 09/07/2003 8:32:31 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (613)
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To: dinok
Yes, I'm a little older than you and I remember hearing about this guy on the Evening News with Frank Reynolds when I was in high school. Running around Libya and Tunisia.

Why won't someone take him out already?

And IMO it's baloney to say there are many others, some maybe worse, to take his place. One of the main things guys like him do is "eliminate" any competition.
92 posted on 09/07/2003 8:41:41 AM PDT by Meem the Scream (Ever the editor)
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To: Meem the Scream
"Why won't someone take him out already?
And IMO it's baloney to say there are many others, some maybe worse, to take his place. One of the main things guys like him do is "eliminate" any competition."

Ditto.

unfortunately, of all people we are telling Israel not to take him out to appease our Arab and Eurotrash buddies.
93 posted on 09/07/2003 9:30:57 AM PDT by dinok
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To: dinok
Here's the story of Arafat ordering the murders --- CLICK
95 posted on 09/07/2003 2:30:58 PM PDT by doug from upland (Why did DemocRATS allow a perjuring rapist to remain in the Oval Office?)
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To: Brian S
The U.S. State Department's most favored status is still being lavished on the World's Public Enemy #1. The man who never has a sharp razor continues to be coddled and pandered to by those who never learn what a Traitor and a liar is all about.

Jehovah God is not amused while this Egyptian Snake in the grass grins and rubbs his chin and picks at his stubble. Sharon only has himself to blame for still having to deal with this problem. He like peres has followed the same path of negotiating away the Sovereign Jewish Territory Jehovah God has expressly apportioned to the Jewish prople.

The Sharon Administration has once again been brought to heel by our corrupt State Department by fearing who knows what in the process of seeking an arrangement that is being shoved down their throats in direct violation of Genesis 12:2 KJV. The roadmap is the final outrage Jehovah God will use to hammer our Nation with for oughtright disobeying his specific edict previously noted by forcing the Jewish State to be put in dire Jeopardy.

America will not survive long by following this gross error that flies in the face of the Sovereign God of the Universe! Sharon must realize the absolute untennable circumstances he finds himself in by knuclleing under this Treasonous flawed State Department scheme. The number one chief enemy of the Jewish State is now and will remain the U.S. State Department! Sharon must stand apart and Level the playing field to benefit the Jewish Nation if it is to survive! This means abandoning the roadmap first and formost then follow through in taking out arafat and hamas once and for all! Forget the treasonous advice and do what you know has to be done. The REAL people of America will ensure that the support will be there for you. We have a multitude of related problems that will need to be attended to as you take care of your more pressing problems. Trust in Jehovah!

96 posted on 09/07/2003 3:10:41 PM PDT by winker
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To: Jeremiah Jr; DoctorZIn
Iranian President Mohammad Khatami is not a terrorist. IMHO, from what I've seen and read, he really wants democracy and secularism in Iran. It is the Mullahs, (Ayatollah Kohmeni?), who hold the real power in Iran and need to be removed. Khatami was democratically elected, but really can't do anything so long as the Mullahs are in place. Please, correct me if I am wrong DoctorZin.
97 posted on 09/07/2003 4:26:54 PM PDT by Orion78 (I WILL NEVER FORGET!!! FREE IRAN!!! BUSH 2004!!!)
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To: Mo1
I don't care WHO kills Arafat but he does Need Killin!! He will continue to be a problem no matter where he resides. He's a bone fide terrorist, always has been and always will be. Arafat's purpose is to see that Isreal does NOT exist. !!
98 posted on 09/07/2003 6:36:49 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Brian S
Uh, I don't think it's a surprise. Arafat wants the Jewish population destroyed and makes no bones about it. Self defense should be no surprise for the U.S. and Bush in particular since 9/11.
99 posted on 09/07/2003 6:40:05 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Brian S
Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread | DoctorZin

Click on the link above!

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail DoctorZin”


100 posted on 09/12/2003 10:23:44 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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