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The Congressional Black Caucus: Fifth Column in Congress?
Various ^ | September 7, 2003 | nwrep

Posted on 09/07/2003 1:16:41 PM PDT by nwrep

For months, I have struggled with a hypothetical question, a thought experiment if you will: If the enemies of the United States, such as Al Qaeda, had a political wing in the US Congress, how would their votes differ from those cast by the most liberal group in the House, namely, the Congressional Black Caucus, who are all members of the Democrat party?

After great reflection and research, I have reached a sobering conclusion: in matters of the military, there would not be any significant difference between the aggregate voting record of the CBC and that of the hypothetical political wing of Al Qaeda.

An objective analysis of the voting patterns, statements, policy positions, and arguments proffered by the CBC would leave one in no doubt as to the logical conclusion of their stance on American military power. Every action taken by the CBC in Congress has had the intention of suppressing, rolling back and reducing the strength of the American military.

Such attitudes continued, and gained strength, even in the face of the greatest catastrophe to strike this nation since the end of WWII.

Consider for example the votes of some key members of the CBC, such as John Conyers, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Jesse Jackson, Jr., as well as recently deposed terrorist lover Cynthia McKinney:

National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 All except Waters and Jackson-Lee voted no, Roll call: 382 Yea, 40 Nay

Bill to combat terrorism All voted no.

Bill to deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the world All except Rangel voted no.

One cannot help but be stunned by this extraordinary hostility to the US military and unwillingness to support the war on terrorism when the burning embers at the WTC have not yet died down, and when the rest of the nation is immersed in collective grief and anger over these acts.

If these people would not support their country as she fought back after these monstrous acts perpetrated against her, when would they?

Most of the members of the CBC have consistently voted against military appropriations, weapons systems, DoD authorizations, CIA funding, and have championed the cause of nuclear and conventional disarmament of America. If you are Al Qaeda, what better ally could you hope to have in the Congress of the United States? If you are a terrorist wishing to inflict harm on US possessions overseas, who better to champion your cause than those who would reduce funding for covert intelligence operations that might intercept and end your efforts?

In addition, as if such votes were not enough for the CBC to put themselves solidly in the corner of America's enemies, consider some other actions they have taken over the years:

* Cynthia McKinney blaming Bush for the 9/11 attacks suggesting he had foreknowledge of the event.

* CBC members visiting Castro and applauding him for his rule, and receiving help from him in the form of Cuban medical training for inner city African-Americans.

* John Conyers and others prominently leading and speaking at major anti-war rallies, which were recently cited as a source for strength and applauded by none other than the man convicted in the Bali terrorist bombing.

* Charlie Rangel mourning the deaths of Saddam's sons and downplaying their importance in the war against Saddam Fedayeens in Iraq.

* All CBC members aligning themselves strongly with the communist inspired anti-war movement.

* Publicly contradicting President Bush on foreign policy and pursuing their own by backing Venzuelan communist dictator Hugo Chavez: Comandante Chavez's Friends

If these actions do not further the agenda of the enemies of America, what will?

If the CBC does not get political contributions from America's enemies, isn't it time for them to start getting a paycheck from the people they serve?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; cbc; communistsubversion; culturewar; democrats; jihadinamerica; rats; traitorlist; treasonous

1 posted on 09/07/2003 1:16:43 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
Mark Twain said it well: "Congress has no native criminal class, excepting Congress."
2 posted on 09/07/2003 1:18:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy, or is it monotony?)
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To: *Communist Subversion; *Culture_War; *JIHAD IN AMERICA; *Traitor List
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3 posted on 09/07/2003 1:19:01 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: mhking
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4 posted on 09/07/2003 1:26:26 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
So is this MLK's legacy?

I'll bet a good portion of the CBC claim to be following in MLK's footsteps...

Reminds me of Coleman Young's early days...
5 posted on 09/07/2003 1:36:19 PM PDT by Mark was here
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To: Mrs Mark
Yet every two years their constituencies have the right to kick them out of office if their views are too extreme or anti-American.
Yet they re-elect most of them every election.Even in the two exceptions,Hilliard and Mc Kinney,it took another BLACK opponent who was also a liberal Democrat,to upend them.
I think the masses of black people in this country see themselves as oppositional to the "white establishment"while not completely grasping that the Democratic party is the epitome of this same"white establishment"
Ironies abound.
Riverman
6 posted on 09/07/2003 1:43:46 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Mrs Mark
An old Pentagon hand told me, during Jimmy Carter's term, that if too many of these anti-American CBC members took over chairmanships of important congressional committees, the military would send the congress home til the madness was sorted out. I don't see that happening today, thanks to the capons which Clinton has installed into high military offices.
7 posted on 09/07/2003 1:44:26 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: nwrep
nwrep, thanks for a very interesting analysis.

Makes me sad to think what black members of the military must think of their
so-called black congressional leadership. We all know who the real heros are....I hope
they know there are millions of us out here - black and white - who love them for
their dedicated service to our country.

8 posted on 09/07/2003 2:09:12 PM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops And Their Families.)
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To: jigsaw
How about calling the murderer of a NJ State Trooper a "freedom fighter" and OPPOSING his extradition from Cuba back to the U.S.?" (Maxine Waters) They are an absolutely radical left wing fringe and they are allowed to operate without consequence by a cowardly Republican party and a sympathetic press.
11 posted on 09/07/2003 2:27:36 PM PDT by Williams
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To: nwrep; Travis McGee
One could make the argument, that Americans should be just as suspect of the blacks that by their silence and votes support the CBC, as we should be of Muslims who by their silence or inaction, support the militant Islamists amongst them..

Personally, I have made a concious decision to be distrustful of both groups..

The Nation and our fundamental characteristics at risk from both groups...

Proverty pimping and welfare leaching blacks being championed by their race baiting CBC - and radical Islamists....

Semper Fi
13 posted on 09/07/2003 2:39:24 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: upright_citizen
"The majority of welfare recipients are rural whites."

Even if true -- I would suspect they represent a far larger segment of the population in the United States, versus city/rural blacks. ...

The pertinant statistic would be what percentage of Blacks receive welfare, versus the percentage of whites on welfare...
Do YOU have that fact in your mind?

Plus --- I doubt many of the "rural whites" are voting for the jerks that make up the BCC..

Semper Fi

15 posted on 09/07/2003 3:12:28 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: nwrep
For months, I have struggled with a hypothetical question, a thought experiment if you will: If the enemies of the United States, such as Al Qaeda, had a political wing in the US Congress, how would their votes differ from those cast by the most liberal group in the House, namely, the Congressional Black Caucus, who are all members of the Democrat party?

Einstein was famous for his thought experiments. He would lay out the prevailing scientific theory and then set out to logically demolish it. Now the author wants to set blacks apart from other democrats. He then proceeds to list the voting practices of blacks but fails to supply the comparative voting habits of other democrats. But never mind the lack of rational analysis, because blacks are like Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda is like the blacks, so therefore the blacks are like Al Qaeda. Beware of those who lead off with their ideas as a though experiment. It really takes genius to pull it off.

16 posted on 09/07/2003 4:06:40 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
First of all, I only limited my analysis to the CBC, not "the blacks". Their race is not my issue, rather, they make an issue out of it by calling themselves "black", whatever that means.

Secondly, let us debate the facts mentioned in the piece. The conclusions are something a reasonable person would draw.

Thirdly, I chose to highlight the CBC because 2 of their most prominent members, Conyers and Rangel, are in line for important Chairmanship positions should the rats take control of the House. They are 2 of the most senior Democrats in the House, and one of them would become Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.

Through this article, I want to warn people of the consequences of letting the Democrats take control of the House.

17 posted on 09/07/2003 4:30:21 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Salvey
the military would send the congress home til the madness was sorted out.

How would he do that?

18 posted on 09/07/2003 4:32:15 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep
Every Black Dem I've seen is an irresponsible scoundrel or scoundrelette. But they have great company in all the numerous White Dem scoundrels in congress. Who are bigger scoundrels than Sens. Schumer and Kennedy?
19 posted on 09/07/2003 4:49:20 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: nwrep
The CBC is racist.
20 posted on 09/07/2003 4:55:09 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Freedom isn't Free - Support the Troops!!)
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To: driftless
Who are bigger scoundrels than Sens. Schumer and Kennedy?

Conyers and Rangel, that's who. Damn it, these two would do everything Schumer and Kennedy would do, plus about a dozen other things that even Schumer and Kennedy would NOT do, such as associate with communist groups and praise Saddam's sons.

21 posted on 09/07/2003 4:59:29 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: river rat
One could make the argument, that Americans should be just as suspect of the blacks that by their silence and votes support the CBC, as we should be of Muslims who by their silence or inaction, support the militant Islamists amongst them..

Personally, I have made a concious decision to be distrustful of both groups..

The Nation and our fundamental characteristics at risk from both groups...

Proverty pimping and welfare leaching blacks being championed by their race baiting CBC - and radical Islamists....

Shaking head in bewilderment.


22 posted on 09/07/2003 5:03:47 PM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: nwrep
You have a point, but I'm willing to cut Rangel some slack. He did fight for his country in Korea earning some medals doing it killing commies. All Kennedy has done is kill some poor, innocent woman.
23 posted on 09/07/2003 5:06:11 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: rdb3
"Shaking head in bewilderment."

Once you recover...
Be kind enough to point out exactly what "bewildered" you..
Rational observation of events and actions?
Semper Fi

24 posted on 09/07/2003 5:21:22 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: river rat
Be kind enough to point out exactly what "bewildered" you.. Rational observation of events and actions?

As an American black, the whole thing.


25 posted on 09/07/2003 5:22:57 PM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: rdb3
Does your bewilderment extend to:
1. The racist positions taken CONSISTENTLY by the CBC?
2. The racist positions taken by the NAACP?
3. The racist and anti-America positions taken by highly visable black politicians and leaders of black militant "religious" organizations?
4. I could go on, but you get the drift...

When will you start thinking of yourself as an American, and not an American black?

Semper Fi
26 posted on 09/07/2003 5:44:33 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: river rat
Does your bewilderment extend to:
1. The racist positions taken CONSISTENTLY by the CBC?

The CBC doesn't speak for me.

2. The racist positions taken by the NAACP?

The NAACP is anathema to me.

3. The racist and anti-America [sic] positions taken by highly visable black politicians and leaders of black militant "religious" organizations?

I've said numerous times in my 2+ years on FR that American blacks are in a Marxist laboratory.

4. I could go on, but you get the drift...

I got the drift a while ago.

When will you start thinking of yourself as an American, and not an American black?

As stated on my profile page, I am American in the first degree. I mentioned my being an American black to give you a frame of reference for my bewilderment of your post which I initially responded. You said, and I quote, "One could make the argument, that Americans should be just as suspect of the blacks that by their silence and votes support the CBC..." Well, that's a sweeping statement, seeing as how there are American blacks this statement would make suspect, even though we haven't done anything wrong.

But I guess that just doesn't matter.


27 posted on 09/07/2003 5:57:20 PM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: river rat
Personally, I have made a concious decision to be distrustful of both groups..

Blacks and Muslims? I guess I know where I stand with you...

Proverty pimping and welfare leaching blacks being championed by their race baiting CBC - and radical Islamists....

And of course, based on your measured opinion, most blacks are on welfare, right?

Easy to paint when you have a big, fat, broad brush, ain't it?

28 posted on 09/07/2003 6:03:07 PM PDT by mhking (It's in your home state....It's outside your front door.....And it's coming to eat YOU up!)
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To: river rat; rdb3
One could make the argument, that Americans should be just as suspect of the blacks

That is an uncalled for and unsupported generalization. Granted most (90%) of the blacks are in the court of the CBC, but we need to make an exception for those conservatives who have shaken off the grip of the Marxist leadership.

29 posted on 09/07/2003 6:03:55 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
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30 posted on 09/07/2003 6:05:42 PM PDT by mhking (It's in your home state....It's outside your front door.....And it's coming to eat YOU up!)
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To: upright_citizen; river rat
The majority of welfare recipients are rural whites.

FALSE STATEMENT. The majority of AFDC recipients are NOT white

From US Dept of Health & Human Services (Table 10, breakdown by race), we have:


TABLE 10

AFDC FAMILIES BY RACE OF NATURAL OR ADOPTIVE PARENT

OCTOBER 1995 - SEPTEMBER 1996

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RACE OF PARENT!

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TOTAL                                                           NATIVE       UN-

STATE FAMILIES WHITE BLACK HISPANIC ASIAN AMERICAN KNOWN

---------------- --------- ----- ----- -------- ----- -------- -----

U.S. TOTAL 4,553,308  35.9%  36.9%  20.8%    3.0%    1.4% 2.0%

There are more black families on welfare than Whites, and Blacks plus Hispanics make up 57% of the total

31 posted on 09/07/2003 6:23:41 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: nwrep
Keep in mind how many Black Muslims there are, and where their sympathies lie.
32 posted on 09/07/2003 6:25:41 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: nwrep
I'm glad somebody gets it. When the BC went in lockstep to proclaim that G.W. would never be THEIR president it was a pretty good sign that they would vote AQ than ever give a nod of approval to Pres. Bush. And since Cynthia McKinney was being financed by them it was evident.
33 posted on 09/07/2003 6:28:01 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: upright_citizen; river rat
And at http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/AFDC/baseline/3characteristics.pdf on page 13, table 3.8 gives a breakdown by race over the years 1983 to 1996. The white component has varied, but never rose above 40.8, and in 1996 stood at 35.9

What the LIEberals do is they add the Hispanic totals to the white totals when it suits their purposes, like when the FBI counts Hispanics as white when they are the purpetrators of crime, but Hispanic when they are the victims

35 posted on 09/07/2003 6:37:29 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: upright_citizen
The majority of welfare recipients are rural whites.

In numbers maybe; in percentages, I don't think so!

36 posted on 09/07/2003 6:57:20 PM PDT by lonestar ("Send money ! I found a new voter pool!" -Weinie)
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To: mhking
The guy just place a permanent glass ceiling over his head..he ain't goin' anywhere. I don't care popular he is in one county.
37 posted on 09/07/2003 7:41:46 PM PDT by paltz
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To: nwrep
There is also the "Socialist Caucus".
38 posted on 09/07/2003 8:18:05 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman
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To: mhking; rdb3; nwrep
We're told that only 10% of Muslims are of the fanatical militant Islamist type --- yet the 90% "moderate" Muslims seem impotent or unwilling to remove or destroy these murderous lunatics from their midst...
This "10 %" lunatic fringe has launched devastating attacks against America and Western Civilization

So where the Muslims are concerned - we have gone to war in two nations to defeat the 10% lunatic fringe, because the 90% majority of Muslims could not/would not "contain" them..


We see that 90% of blacks support the "democrat" party, even after decades of failed programs and broken promises..
A party that puts self and power above the best path for the Nation... Selfish, personal gratification - above Nation..
There is less hope that the 10% non-"democrat plantation" blacks stand any chance of ever "containing" their "lunatic fringe"...

We see the major "black organizations" continue to bitch and complain about the most inane "slights" and "unfair" tests or standards ---- while remaining SILENT on the crimes perpetrated by black on white in Zimbabwe or black on black genocide throughout the sewer that Africa has become, black on black crime in our cities or the culture destroying >70% unwed birth rate amongst blacks.

So - if I elect to be cautiously suspicious of all Muslims, or blacks (until proven otherwise)- as a form of personal self defense - I'm a racist?

Is there ONE predominantly black organization that is countering the devastating racist behavior of Jesse, Al, PUSH, NAACP, BCC, etc.....

For those blacks that have thrown on the yoke and inferior mentality of slavery - I commend and respect..
It may shock you to learn that I have served proudly with proud blacks who thought of themselves as American Marines (not black Marines), have blacks in my family and have both blacks and Muslims in my closest circle of friends...
Admittedly - not many - and at my advanced age, I am becoming less inclined to take the effort to pursue others.

Yes, perhaps it could be said I'm painting with a broad brush....but when you need to cover 90% of a huge and potentially dangerous wall - you don't use an artist's brush...

Semper Fi



39 posted on 09/07/2003 9:03:00 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: river rat; mhking
...have blacks in my family...

Okay, let me get this straight.

Here you say you have blacks in your family. Wonderful.

But let's go back to what you said previously:

One could make the argument, that Americans should be just as suspect of the blacks that by their silence and votes support the CBC, as we should be of Muslims who by their silence or inaction, support the militant Islamists amongst them.

Now I have a question. Are you just as distrustful of your black family members (since they are black after all) as you would be of a black person like mhking or myself who don't fit your distrustful description? Remember, just looking at us you would not know what our politics are.


40 posted on 09/07/2003 9:29:39 PM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: rdb3
"Are you just as distrustful of your black family members (since they are black after all) as you would be of a black person like mhking or myself who don't fit your distrustful description?

Hardly an intelligent question...or you're missing my point entirely....

Individuals that demonstrate their individuality can be judged accordingly..

Since one can not meet all members of any large group - one determines how they will regard that group by their collective behavior or the positions taken by their "leaders" or "spokespersons"....

It really makes no difference if the group is racial, ethnic or political --- the public "persona" of that group in many ways is determined by the behavior and actions of the group or their "leadership's" positions...

All I am saying, is that I think it is rational - to be wary or suspicious of any "group" when that group has demonstrated "unfriendly" or "undesirable" behavior...

Have you attempted to join a KKK Bar-B-Que lately? Kind of an extreme example, but I hope you'll understand my point...

This is never a easy subject to discuss.

Most whites are not honest about how they feel about the problems facing race relations in this country.. We are in a world of hurt...and I don't hold much hope for quick resolutions, when I see the direction the majority of black "leaders" and black "spokespersons" are taking the situation..

Semper Fi

41 posted on 09/07/2003 10:01:57 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: nwrep
bttt
42 posted on 09/07/2003 10:49:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: river rat; rdb3
In dealing with people, we never start out from a state of perfect knowledge (we never arrive at a state of perfect knowledge either, but that's another point). Consequently, you need a "default state", namely how do you behave towards relative strangers until you know more about them

Your main choices are to be either trusting and open until your knowledge and experience with them shows them untrustworthy, or untrusting and relatively closed until you know enough about them to start trusting them.

In arriving at this initial state, most humans tend to use the visible characteristics of the stranger to try to predict behavior, based on what you know about other people with the same characteristics.

When I see a well-groomed, well-dressed person, I tend to be less wary of getting mugged by that person than I would of a scuzzy street-person, because my experience and the experience of those I talk to, indicates that not to many mugging are committed by people who look middle-class

The unfortunate facts of life are that if you are noticed to be a member of a group that has a high percentage of bad people, most people will be wary until you prove otherwise. It's a fact of life. To demand otherwise is to demand that people endure a higher rate of victimization due to having trusted people who were part of a group that includes a high percentage of predators

43 posted on 09/08/2003 3:26:31 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: river rat; mhking; rdb3
Is there ONE predominantly black organization that is countering the devastating racist behavior of Jesse, Al, PUSH, NAACP, BCC, etc.....

The Congress for Racial Equality (CORE) is a great conservative black organization that has made fighting the power of Jesse Jackson one of its many goals. It is worthy of support by all conservatives.

Brotherhood Organization for a New Destiny (BOND) is yet another conservative black group.

Then there are great conservative black voices such as Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and Judge Clarence Thomas.

44 posted on 09/08/2003 6:06:06 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: river rat
There is less hope that the 10% non-"democrat plantation" blacks stand any chance of ever "containing" their "lunatic fringe"...

So, given that "glowing" assessment, you write us off as "fringe fanatics?" Does that make it easier for you to lump all blacks together?

So - if I elect to be cautiously suspicious of all Muslims, or blacks (until proven otherwise)- as a form of personal self defense - I'm a racist?

No, it makes you closed minded.

Is there ONE predominantly black organization that is countering the devastating racist behavior of Jesse, Al, PUSH, NAACP, BCC, etc.....

CORE, BOND, BAMPAC, CURE, Project 21; Need I continue?

For those blacks that have thrown on the yoke and inferior mentality of slavery - I commend and respect..

Thanks for the patronizing bone. I guess that's all I rate as a "token."

It may shock you to learn that I have served proudly with proud blacks who thought of themselves as American Marines (not black Marines), have blacks in my family and have both blacks and Muslims in my closest circle of friends...

Don't tell me: "Some of my best friends are black..."

Feh...

Yes, perhaps it could be said I'm painting with a broad brush....but when you need to cover 90% of a huge and potentially dangerous wall - you don't use an artist's brush...

Like I said initially, thank you for your candor. I now know where I stand with you, since your broad brush just clean slaps over me. Why not use a roller or a paint-gun while you're at it, massa. It'll paint me much faster than that brush.

45 posted on 09/08/2003 7:14:29 AM PDT by mhking (The LEAGUE plays here...)
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To: nwrep
The Congress for Racial Equality (CORE) is a great conservative black organization that has made fighting the power of Jesse Jackson one of its many goals. It is worthy of support by all conservatives.

Roy Innis, President of CORE, is also on the board of directors of the NRA and regularly gives speeches on the value of the 2nd Amendment

46 posted on 09/08/2003 8:34:02 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: Riverman94610
The Democratic party is the epitome of this same"white establishment" How could this be since six Democratic senators are black? ;-}
47 posted on 09/21/2003 1:36:43 PM PDT by RobbyS (nd)
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