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Web users 'must endure' pop-up ads
Guardian ^ | 09/08/03 | Owen Gibson

Posted on 09/08/2003 1:42:26 PM PDT by Pikamax

Web users 'must endure' pop-up ads

Owen Gibson Monday September 8, 2003

Internet users will continue to be plagued by unwanted pop-up adverts after a US judge ruled websites can do nothing to prevent companies placing ads on

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their pages without permission. "Alas, we computer users must endure pop-up advertising," district judge Gerald Bruce Lee ruled in a US court in Virginia.

While this ruling applies only to America, other US-based web judgments have tended to set a precedent on this side of the Atlantic.

The decision is a blow to the owners of websites that have been plagued by rogue advertising.

Over the past two years online publishers have filed more than a dozen lawsuits against internet advertising firms Gator Corporation and WhenU.com.

The companies operate by offering web surfers free software or downloads, such as video players or screen savers, that come with ad serving programmes attached.

Once downloaded they will then be shown pop-up adverts independent of the website they are visiting.

While many of the online publishers complaining about Gator and WhenU.com also deliver pop-up ads to their users, they argue they can limit the number of times they are shown and ensure the adverts are suitable for their audience.

Dotcoms are also concerned the pop-ups offered by companies such as Gator may advertise products and websites that rival their own.

"Computer users, like this trial judge, may wonder what we have done to warrant the punishment of seizure of our computer screens by pop-up advertisements for secret web cameras, insurance, travel values and fad diets," Mr Lee said.

However, he ruled that, while annoying, the adverts did not break any trademark or copyrights laws and consumers had generally agreed to download the ad serving software.

"Ultimately it is the computer user who controls the windows displayed on the computer desktop," he said.

However, many users complain is often far from obvious that they are agreeing to install the "spyware" software on their computers and that, once installed, it is difficult to remove.

The suit was brought by removal company U-Haul International, which said it was considering an appeal.

Last year Gator reached an out of court settlement with a dozen media companies, including the Washington Post and Dow Jones, over similar complaints.

Gator also faces outstanding suits from other online publishers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: advertising; popupads
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1 posted on 09/08/2003 1:42:26 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
Some members of my family have a hard time understanding that just 'cause you can click on something, you should click on something...live and learn.
2 posted on 09/08/2003 1:46:13 PM PDT by TomServo ("I worked at NASA back when we were next to Cost Cutters.")
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To: Pikamax
Internet users will continue to be plagued by unwanted pop-up adverts after a US judge ruled websites can do nothing to prevent companies placing ads on

Not if you use Mozilla Firebird :)

3 posted on 09/08/2003 1:47:56 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: Pikamax
No, we don't have to put up with pop-up/under/over ads. There are browsers that kill them - like Netscape & Opera - and there are also plenty of stand-alone programs that kill pop-ups as well.
4 posted on 09/08/2003 1:48:27 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: Pikamax
I don't have to "endure" any pop-up or pop-under, period.


5 posted on 09/08/2003 1:48:38 PM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: Lorenb420
Google has a Pop-up Blocker built into their tool bar. It works wonderfully!
6 posted on 09/08/2003 1:49:15 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel, Priscilla and Bill!)
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To: Pikamax
Learn how to turn javascript on and off for your browser. I keep it turned off nearly all the time and it stops a lot of annoying behavior from some web sites. It also speeds up surfing since I'm not waiting for animated graphics to load. (I'm on a dial-up 56k and any additional speed-up of page loads is welcome.)
7 posted on 09/08/2003 1:51:24 PM PDT by Siegfried (I ain't gonna work on Bill Gates' farm no more!)
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To: rdb3
if the Judge says you have to endure you have to endure. court order!
8 posted on 09/08/2003 1:51:24 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
"...once installed, it is difficult to remove

Difficult to remove?! That is the understatement of the year. Simply put, getting GATOR (or GAIN) uninstalled can be a b*tch. I used Ad-Aware to uninstall, but that wasn't easy either.

Speaking of SPAM, has anyone noticed how many popups Drudge has now. He used to have 1 when you came to the page for the first time that day. Now, you everytime I go to Drudge I get at least 2 pop ups. Also, at one point, I thought FR was doing pop ups (something that would have been VERY displeasing), but then realized it must have been an Ad serv on moving away from Drudge.

9 posted on 09/08/2003 1:52:31 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: Pikamax
Chimera for OSX (Jag)

No pop ups, never have been, never will.
10 posted on 09/08/2003 1:52:47 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Pikamax
The nanosecond a popup window pops up, I close it. Then I never go back to that site.
11 posted on 09/08/2003 1:53:23 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Yes, I love the google toolbar. I use google a lot, so the toolbar is something I want anyway. The popup blocking is gravy.
12 posted on 09/08/2003 1:54:06 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Cobra64
The nanosecond a popup window pops up, I close it

Man, you must be able to click really fast. <wink>

13 posted on 09/08/2003 1:55:38 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: Pikamax
Internet users will continue to be plagued by unwanted pop-up adverts after a US judge ruled websites can do nothing to prevent companies placing ads on their pages without permission.

Or they could use Opera as their browser, which has pop-up blocking built in.

14 posted on 09/08/2003 1:57:15 PM PDT by Bacon Man (Bacon is never wrong but occasionally fried.)
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To: TomServo
Well, if your security settings are unmodified from when you bought it, this stuff will get installed left and right without any notification to the user.

I had to clean out my uncle's computer this weekend, he was completely unable to use it due to saturation with spyware and ad-ware. He literally could not open a browser without something like 40 windows of ads opening. And he is definitely not the type to say 'yes' to something unless he wants it - all this stuff got downloaded and installed on his machine without his knowledge. When it started popping up ads for pics of naked 4-14-year-olds he finally got mad enough about it to arrange to get it fixed.

I removed over 170 different spyware/malware applications on his machine. This machine is about 1 year from the factory.

By the way, disturbingly enough - one of those programs was installed by Dell at the factory, no joke.
15 posted on 09/08/2003 1:58:23 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Israel is the canary in the coal mine of Islamofascism)
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To: Bacon Man
As does Mozilla.
16 posted on 09/08/2003 1:59:05 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Lorenb420
How much does Mozilla cost?
17 posted on 09/08/2003 2:01:13 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Petronski
As does Mozilla.

True, true.

18 posted on 09/08/2003 2:05:46 PM PDT by Bacon Man (Bacon is never wrong but occasionally fried.)
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To: thoughtomator
Well, if your security settings are unmodified from when you bought it, this stuff will get installed left and right without any notification to the user.

Which is why I have my family call me when they get a new machine. I do the setup.

And he is definitely not the type to say 'yes' to something

Which is my problem. They think they can go anywhere, accept anything and all is OK. I guess they think they can drive a car down the road with their hands off the wheel and their head poked out the window..

By the way, disturbingly enough - one of those programs was installed by Dell at the factory, no joke.

There's no excuse for that. I would've been on the phone in a heartbeat.

19 posted on 09/08/2003 2:06:43 PM PDT by TomServo ("I worked at NASA back when we were next to Cost Cutters.")
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To: Cobra64
Zero, zed, nada, nil, the empty set.
20 posted on 09/08/2003 2:06:48 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Cobra64
Moz is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

Check it out...

Mozilla
21 posted on 09/08/2003 2:07:16 PM PDT by =Intervention= (RINO guide to success: When in doubt, sell out!)
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To: Cobra64
How much does Mozilla cost?

$0.00

22 posted on 09/08/2003 2:07:24 PM PDT by TomServo ("I worked at NASA back when we were next to Cost Cutters.")
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To: Pikamax
Windows users can avoid pop-ups by downloading a FREE version of Pop-up Stopper.
23 posted on 09/08/2003 2:07:58 PM PDT by South40
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To: So Cal Rocket
It really does. Haven't seen a pop-up since I downloaded the toolbar.
24 posted on 09/08/2003 2:08:28 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Pikamax
"Alas, we computer users must endure pop-up advertising," district judge Gerald Bruce Lee ruled in a US court in Virginia.

Not if you are a Mac user and run Apple's Safari.

:-)

25 posted on 09/08/2003 2:08:32 PM PDT by SeaDragon
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To: TomServo
Yeah I guess being proactive and volunteering to do computer setup for friends and family reduces one's workload in the long run. I'm such a procrastinator, I get to deal with the machines AFTER they've already become a crisis. Bah!
27 posted on 09/08/2003 2:09:50 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Israel is the canary in the coal mine of Islamofascism)
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To: Pikamax; All
Not if you use www.avantbrowser.com.

It's the best, as far as I've seen. No popups. Free.

Dan
28 posted on 09/08/2003 2:15:21 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Buckhead
IE for various flavors of Mac OS has a preference for turning off scripting which also completely defeats pop ups.

IE for Windows does not have any such option.

Every version of IE for Windows I have seen does have this option. It's in Tools/Internet Options/Security/Custom Level.

29 posted on 09/08/2003 2:24:42 PM PDT by snarkpup
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To: Pikamax
Bump for future reference.
30 posted on 09/08/2003 2:24:50 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (God loves us all.)
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To: SeaDragon
OmniWeb 4.5 for Mac OS X also blocks popups, as does Safari. I think the only Macintosh browser that doesn't is Internet Exploder. Glad there is lots of browser competition for the Macintosh so I dont have to use Microsoft's inferior product.
31 posted on 09/08/2003 2:29:10 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: Pikamax
I use Popup Protector. It wasn't free, but it works great. If I want a popup, I simply hold the ctrl key down.
32 posted on 09/08/2003 2:42:21 PM PDT by Poser
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To: Keith in Iowa
"There are browsers that kill them - like... "

...Internet Explorer!

People can stop pop-ups by turning off the java controls in IE. I do.

33 posted on 09/08/2003 2:43:21 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: BibChr
Not if you use www.avantbrowser.com.

Using it right now. Great little browser.

34 posted on 09/08/2003 2:46:52 PM PDT by TomServo ("I worked at NASA back when we were next to Cost Cutters.")
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To: Pikamax
I like my Avant Browser. It kills pop-ups 95 percent of the time. I use Ad-aware to flush out the spybots and thanks to the recent MSBlaster scare, my firewall is nice and tight.

35 posted on 09/08/2003 2:50:42 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: Lorenb420
Is Firebird significantly better then my Mozilla 1.5a build from May/June?
36 posted on 09/08/2003 2:54:52 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Pikamax
Read later.
38 posted on 09/08/2003 3:00:03 PM PDT by EagleMamaMT
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To: TomServo
You bet!

At work, I used IE extensively -- but it was a memory hog, and not stable. I had previously used the 7.x version of Avant, but it had that problem of the CPU maxing out at 60-100%, even when idle.

Now that problem's resolved, and I'm a happy man!

Well, in that way, anyway!

Dan
39 posted on 09/08/2003 3:00:58 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: JerseyHighlander
\I answered my own question,

Most Extensible

Mozilla Firebird is easily extended
Mozilla Firebird's user interface can be extended by developers using industry standards such as XML, CSS, JavaScript etc, as well as complex C++ add on modules. Examples of such extensions include everything from relatively simple utilities to advanced tools such as a JavaScript Debugger and Document Inspector. A full list of existing extensions is available here. Extensions are easily installed.

That's why Mozilla Firebird has the best search functions of any browser. Ctrl+K takes you to the Google bar.

Both were limitations in my build.
40 posted on 09/08/2003 3:00:58 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
Is Firebird significantly better then my Mozilla 1.5a build from May/June?

After 1.5, the Mozilla suite is being broken up into pieces. The browser will be Firebird, the mail reader is Thunderbird. etc.

If you get the Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 release I think it uses Mozilla/Gecko 1.4 for rendering. If you download the nightly versions though they use the latest Mozilla/Gecko.

My copy is built with 1.5b from Sept 4th.

41 posted on 09/08/2003 3:01:33 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: Pikamax
I've been using a combo of the new Google toolbar and Norton Firewall. Seems to have banished pop-ups from my online experience.
42 posted on 09/08/2003 3:01:33 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: snarkpup
Hadn't even thought about this in a long time. Tried it. Some webpages now load amazingly fast. Don't think I'm missing anything important.
43 posted on 09/08/2003 3:06:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: mattdono
Difficult to remove?! That is the understatement of the year. Simply put, getting GATOR (or GAIN) uninstalled can be a b*tch. I used Ad-Aware to uninstall, but that wasn't easy either.

Yep, that happened to me, too. :-(

Watch out for a new one called ClearSearch. I spent all day Saturday taking that SOB off my harddrive. Not sure how I got it either . . . Except perhaps it was one of their tricky pop-ups that fooled me into answering incorrectly. It said something like, "Do you want to continue being in the dark about all our great internet bargains?" Answering 'no' downloads and intalls ClearSearch.

44 posted on 09/08/2003 3:09:53 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: moehoward
Tell me about chimera, please!

I am using Safaria, and usually like it, but some web-sites are not friendly to it!

Tia

45 posted on 09/08/2003 3:11:55 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: So Cal Rocket
you learn something new everyday on FR! I've been using the google toolbar for ages and had no idea the popup blocker was there.

i took a look, checked the little box, visited a few well-known popup sites (like drudge) and zero, zilch, nada!

thanks for the tip. even tho i have an ad-blocker, it seems like a bunch of those little bastards were still getting thru.
46 posted on 09/08/2003 3:15:18 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: JerseyHighlander
This might answer some of your questions as well: Why You Should Switch to the Mozilla Firebird browser
47 posted on 09/08/2003 3:15:56 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: thoughtomator
"I removed over 170 different spyware/malware applications on his machine. "

Can you tell me where to get a list of them? I finally installed zonealarm pro on my home network. Works great. Blocks the popups, blocks most of the porn, and keeps my kids worked up when they sometimes can't go where they want to go.

48 posted on 09/08/2003 3:18:34 PM PDT by Mr_Peter
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To: thoughtomator
"By the way, disturbingly enough - one of those programs was installed by Dell at the factory, no joke."

Interesting, that. Was your uncle told, as we were, that anti-spyware should NOT be installed on a Dell computer? I thought it odd, but one of the Dell techies told me, at least, that installing any of it might make my warranty invalid. So maybe they have a stake in keeping us loaded down with internet crud?

49 posted on 09/08/2003 3:20:54 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Pikamax
Just stick to FR. Problem solved.
50 posted on 09/08/2003 3:22:39 PM PDT by xp38
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