NEW FIELD POLL ON CA RECALL

Drudge Report ^ | Sept 9, 2003 | Field Poll

[RobFromGa]

Field poll to be released Tuesday:

YES on Recall 55% NO on Recall 40%

Alternative candidates: Bustamante 30% Schwarzenegger 25% McClintock 13% Ueberoth 7% Others in single digit

The Field poll then asked the ballot without McClintock

Bustamante 31% Schwarzenegger 33%

[cajungirl]

Calling women sweety when making fun of them saying they think or feel something, is patronizing and you damn well know it. It is the refuge of men, usually southern men, who don't know how to deal with a woman who challenges them and their assumed position as the know-it-all. You know that so don't go trying to bait me. I am old enough to be your mother and am a southern woman and I know men like you, I am related to men like you, there are men like you in my family back ten generations. And you can hold the door if you get outa my damn way.

[BibChr]

Yeah... almost hypnotizing.

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[Godebert]

"Ah, you're a Howard Phillips man.It's easy to ignore a Constimatooshin Party supporter. Great, now we know where you're coming from.You're used to losing and feeling smug about it, too."

Is that a canadian flag I see flappin' on your homepage. I heard ya'll were gonna change it to that pretty rainbow flag.

[Amerigomag]

This "conservative forum" has evolved into a Republican forum among other things.

I humbly disagree.

Yes, the Republican Party monitors the forum to guage the pulse of the ideologues on the right and yes, many Republican Party loyalist have come to the forum to shape it's collective opinion but no, it has not degenerated into a party organ.

Conservatives who fled to this forum from the Republican Party in the 90's, are substantially ideologues, who are by definition defiant of prevailing politcal mantras. Hence the recent frustration of many that their pragmatism is ignored in the face of all political logic.

Entropy reasons that the system changes, but the total energy of the system declines into chaos.

[ambrose]

I can answer what I have heard, but I want to make this clear... I can't PROVE this part and I can't promise THIS is reliable. I don't like making statements in the forum unless I can back them up, this one I can't yet and I am looking for proof, okay? From what I understand, again uncomfirmed by me, he will be proposing to offer illegal aliens who are employed or maintaining a family here the opportunity to apply for temporary work permits. I'm pretty sure they will have to go through criminal checks, etc, as if they were applying from outside the country.

That's de facto amnesty. It is amnesty by another name really.

[cajungirl]

There you go again. It is not enough to patronize women. You gotta go insult canadiens by implying they are gay or something. Hon, you really need to get out more and get over yourself. You need broadening as my momma said.

[Sabertooth]

Maybe you should read everything in Arnold's quote that you didn't bold or put in red. The rest was, after all, the substance of his comment, rather than parsing the use of "immediate".

The substance of Arnold's comment, in the context of your contention that he doesn't support Amnesty, is the concept of "immediate citizenship," and your sense that opposing that is synonymous with opposing Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.

Since Amnesty has never been about granting immediate citizenship, the citation of this comment by Arnold is irrelevant to the question of whether or not he supports Amnesty.

[harrowup]

We need to see the numbers in the head to heads between Bustamante and Arnold, Bustamante and McClintock, and Bustamante and Ueberroth.

The only one that matters is between the terminator and big breast. Bustamante is going to win regardless of who stays in on the right. The Republican Party in California is nothing more than joke with more hair-brained advisers than Gene Chapman could even hope for.

That said, let McClintock and Ueberroth stay in the race; that way the Republicans can finally get rid of their hopeless dream of creating a Reagan Deux. Once the Democrats finally crush the juveniles in the Republican Party they can finally bring some reason back to property taxes and tell Ward Connerly to move to Alabama.

Trust me, folks. Killing the national Republican Party over California's braindead Pubbies is not worth it. President Bush might want to sit this one out and stop bothering to raise money in San Diego and Silicon Valley. California is Democrat for the next fifty years.

[FairOpinion]

California is on the brink of total financial disaster, Cruz would fully push it into a depression, which may take the rest of the country with it.

I hope you will be pleased.

"The state's bond credit rating is "dead last," and California is ranked near the bottom as a place that is friendly to business, he (Ueberroth) said. "

[FairOpinion]

California is on the brink of total financial disaster, Cruz would fully push it into a depression, which may take the rest of the country with it.

I hope you will be pleased.

"The state's bond credit rating is "dead last," and California is ranked near the bottom as a place that is friendly to business, he (Ueberroth) said. "

[FairOpinion]

California is on the brink of total financial disaster, Cruz would fully push it into a depression, which may take the rest of the country with it.

I hope you will be pleased.

"The state's bond credit rating is "dead last," and California is ranked near the bottom as a place that is friendly to business, he (Ueberroth) said. "

[cajungirl]

I think you are wrong. The pubs poll pretty good if you put all their numbers together. I thinnk California is teetering on the edge of the abyss and starting to look around. If a moderative pub or a liberal pub gets in, things may change.

[Republican Wildcat]

If this is correct, looks like you'd be better off voting 'no' on recall. Keeping a damaged liberal Democrat in office would be better than a strong liberal Democrat.

[Godebert]

"There you go again. It is not enough to patronize women. You gotta go insult canadiens by implying they are gay or something. Hon, you really need to get out more and get over yourself. You need broadening as my momma said."

Maybe you could broaden me with that big 'ol urge to share your liberal ideas you mentioned in post #299.

[Walkingfeather]

Most people do not turn in their absentee ballots until right before the election

[cajungirl]

I don't think I would be pleased. I would be pleased if Arnold or McClintock won. And did a good job and was not hounded out of office by a liberal press and a crazy electorate. But if they don't, there is a little bit of lite at the end of the tunnel. If California collapses, someone will have to drag them out and it will be their citizens who will have to come to the idea that they simply cannot run their state as they have. They may get religion. They may just turn on their democratic office holders. I am not anti california. dont misunderstand me.

[FairOpinion]

Here is an article you may be interested in, before you so gleefully would push California into the abyss:

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Calif. Problems May Hurt U.S.

rating agencies downgraded the state's bonds to slightly above junk status.

"The costs of issuing bonds will go up," Sohn said. "We are going to see a high rate of interest rates go higher," particularly because they occur as the federal budget deficit is exploding to more than $400 billion this year and nearly $500 billion next year. Those costs will be passed on to taxpayers. "We're talking about tens of billions of dollars," Sohn said.

A potential consequence is the impact of the budget balancing schemes - taxes, layoffs and service cutbacks - on an already weakened economy. Janet Yellen, chairman of the council of economic advisers in the Clinton administration, now a University of California at Berkeley economics professor, estimated the aggregate state budget deficits for next year at around $80 billion.

"Across-the-board cuts in spending and tax increases will have a major negative impact and will be a serious drag on the economy," Yellen said.


http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscali173416746aug17,0,4594508.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

[Walkingfeather]

besides the fact the mojority of the absentee ballots being turned in at the last minute, McClintock and Uberoth both know they are political poisen if they throw the election to Bustamonte... Just relax guys it is going to work.

[cajungirl]

Dont get all excited by it hon,,do you really really want to get yourself all in a lather over a Freeper maybe, well maybe, thinking those big ole assault weapons deserve to be banned? Do you really wanta hear trash like that?

[The Old Hoosier]

Democrats do not boldly back Proposition 13.
Democrats do not boldly back tax cuts and spending reduction.

I don't understand the use of the word "boldly." It's false anyway. He has not proposed any tax cuts (won't even sign the tax pledge) and he says he will not propose any spending reductions until after he's elected. And he knows that if he dares say a bad word about prop 13, he will have to flee the state for his life anyway, so that's not too impressive.

Democrats do not get endorsed enthusiastically by men like David Dreier, Dana Rohrabacher, Chris Cox, and John Campbell.
Democrats do not get endorsed by the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers' Association
Democrats do not get endorsed by libertarian economist Milton Friedman
Democrats do not use the Hoover Institute and its fellows for advice and audits.

Even Democrats can drop names.

Democrats do not oppose DL for illegal aliens
Democrats do not oppose permanent residency amnesty for illegal aliens

Arnold has opposed the former, it's true. But he basically said on John and Ken that he wants to legalize these people, just not in so many words. Then they can get their drivers' licenses.

Democrats do not oppose down 8-hour workday and paid family leave

No, and Arnold has not promised to repeal these either.

Democrats do not oppose Partial Birth Abortion. Democrats do not favor parental notification for abortion -- at all.

Some of them do. I'll grant that Arnold has compromised his principles to throw this bone in my direction, and that's something, but I don't expect his position on this will matter anyway. The abortion issue is a character issue--some politicians are too cowardly to speak out for what's right, and it shows in their other acts in government. But that's not even necessary in the case of Arnold, because he's not a fiscal or economic conservative either.

Democrats do not talk about reforming worker's comp.

Actually, I saw Gray Davis talk about reforming worker's comp very recently.

Democrats do not pledge enthusiastically to campaign for President Bush's re-election.

Well, OK, that one's true.

The other things I thought were basically irrelevant.