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To: JohnHuang2
what an idiot. Islam is not the cause of the problem, it is the perversion of Islam that is the problem. Just like it is the perversion of people like Hill that give pro-life people bad names. Or people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and Jim Baker and Jim Jones and on and on and on.

If you are to claim Islam is the enemy, then by the same logic you use to draw that conclusion you must claim that RELIGION is the enemy.

There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens, and to claim that the religion they practice is anti-American is flat out ignorant... That the posts to date don't reflect this view is sad.
12 posted on 09/09/2003 12:23:38 AM PDT by pdjplano
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To: pdjplano
That you would equate Falwell, Robertson, et al with Jim Jones makes your argument even less compelling.
15 posted on 09/09/2003 12:27:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Writing from the belly of the beast...)
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To: pdjplano
Logic, philosophy, and common sense are not your forte.

Your post is something CAIR would relish, using it to further jihad.

17 posted on 09/09/2003 12:31:37 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (CNN lamented today, "Some American soldiers have even taken to calling some Iraqis' :HAJIS !")
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To: pdjplano
I hope you're not in the same city as me, you give us a bad name.
20 posted on 09/09/2003 12:41:49 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: pdjplano
what an idiot. Islam is not the cause of the problem, it is the perversion of Islam that is the problem.

You seriously need to study this religion. Islam has not been perverted, those "perverted people" are the ones actually trying with all their ability to follow the teachings found in the koran. Just read the stupid book and find all of the passages calling for your death or enslavement, that is of course assuming that you are not a muslim. If you are a muslim the book teaches that you are to lie to non-muslims and present islams teachings in the most favorable light that will get converts.

Know your enemy. That enemy is islam for all non-muslims.

34 posted on 09/09/2003 3:57:43 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: pdjplano
Jim Jones was not a Christian. Next time do a little research.
35 posted on 09/09/2003 4:00:04 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: pdjplano
There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens..

and we are STILL waiting for them to identify and assist in purging the most violent among them....still waiting. The so-called "peaceful" ones know who the troublemakers are but I don't see them rushing to report them to the authorities.

The President correctly said, "You are with us or you are with the terrorists."

36 posted on 09/09/2003 4:12:42 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: pdjplano
"There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens, and to claim that the religion they practice is anti-American is flat out ignorant... That the posts to date don't reflect this view is sad."

There were millions of peaceful Germans during the Nazi era, there were millions of peaceful Russians during Stalin's era. This is not a valid argument. Islam is a not a valid religion.
39 posted on 09/09/2003 4:49:35 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: pdjplano
There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens, and to claim that the religion they practice is anti-American is flat out ignorant... That the posts to date don't reflect this view is sad.

The fact that those MILLIONS of "peaceful, law abiding,..." don't seem to have any problems with their more violent brethren (or at least they don't see enough problems to loudly and convincingly denounce them) tells me that YOU are the one who is posting ignorance.

Organized Islam is involved with nearly every single violent conflict on the face of the planet right now (20 out of 22, IIRC). I'm withholding my approval of the purported silent majority of peaceful muslims until their track record matches the "Islam is a peaceful religion" rhetoric, friend.

41 posted on 09/09/2003 5:17:32 AM PDT by MortMan (Tag - Does this mean "I'm it"?)
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To: pdjplano
You're an ignorant fool.
46 posted on 09/09/2003 5:27:23 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: pdjplano
Until we hear a mass call from MODERATE Islam that repudiates all the bin Laden stands for, I don't know why such a conclusion is controversial.

List for me the prominent clerics and imams who have disavowed bin Laden and the jihadists.

Don't you think the silence is deafening?
50 posted on 09/09/2003 5:30:19 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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huh? The fact is, when some atrocity is committed by a follower of any faith, the majority condemn it, when the same is done by one of the cult followers, the rest praise it and say the person would go to heaven and get his 70 virgins and young boys.
52 posted on 09/09/2003 5:33:05 AM PDT by Cronos ('slam and sanity don't mix, ask your Imam.....)
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To: pdjplano
Hey Plano - You make assumptions in your posts. Unless you have some hard polling figures to report, most literate and intelligent people would highly (highly) doubt that most Muslims would give you a funny look when mentioning Jihad, or that millions are peaceloving. When I see them dancing on TV, etc. in joyful ecstasy over the deaths of people due to suicide bombers, that certainly makes me wonder about how truly peaceful they are. After the events of September 11th, we had school students here in Ohio -- guess which ones I'm talking about?(my brother is a teacher here and verified this information to me) running around high-fiving and doing things like that. It greatly upset my nieces who were in Middle School at the time. The Palestinian and Arab kids were tormenting them. They used to attend a school in a Western Suburb of Cleveland, that has a large population of Middle Eastern people.

Further, I have not heard one Muslim in a leadership position, a position of power or respect denounce these lunatics. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. There is no sincerity that I see. I hear non-Muslims speaking for the Muslims. Well, I want to hear it from the horse's mouth (call me old-fashioned).

I have read a couple of books on Islam and it's beliefs and tenets. The religion espouses violence and to convert or kill all infidels. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
60 posted on 09/09/2003 5:52:27 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: pdjplano
"There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens, and to claim that the religion they practice is anti-American is flat out ignorant... That the posts to date don't reflect this view is sad."

I think what rankles many of us though, is that these peaceful, law-abiding muslim folk are so incredibly slow to speak up and combat the way in which their own "good name" is being daily abused by the millions of nut-case muslims in the world. Non-muslims are regularly harrassed, tortured and murdered in other lands for their "disbelief." To my knowledge, no muslim organizations in America are particularly disturbed by this reality.

Silence in the face those using YOUR name while doing evil is complicity.

62 posted on 09/09/2003 5:59:10 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: pdjplano
There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens, and to claim that the religion they practice is anti-American is flat out ignorant...

They are "peaceful, lawabiding, upstanding" only to the point where you and they agree with Islam and promote it's goals.

You need ta do a ecstra little readin' to round out yur edumacation, son. Try this one...

Islam Unveiled

65 posted on 09/09/2003 6:03:20 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: pdjplano
what an idiot. Islam is not the cause of the problem, it is the perversion of Islam that is the problem.

No, actually it is you that are misinformed. the terrorists are doing EXACTLY what their book tells them to do. Have you read it ? I have and it is filled with plenty of contemporary verses instructing war, murder and subjugation of others by the sword and taxes.

67 posted on 09/09/2003 6:14:43 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam : totalitarian political ideology / meme cloaked under the cover of religion)
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To: pdjplano
I don't doubt there are a lot of peace-loving muslims. The problem is that the peace-loving ones are not being true to the core teachings of the Koran. They are backsliders who are disdained by the "radicals". It is actually a pretty simple formula. Follow Islam faithfully = Kill Christians and Jews.
70 posted on 09/09/2003 6:21:20 AM PDT by Drawsing
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To: pdjplano
Islam is an enemy to Christians. THEY view Christians as enemies, not the other way around. It is just good sense for Christians to recognize those that would do them harm if the opportunity arose.
72 posted on 09/09/2003 6:28:27 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: pdjplano
what an idiot. Islam is not the cause of the problem, it is the perversion of Islam that is the problem.

Speaking of idiots...
That's a distinction without a difference.

77 posted on 09/09/2003 6:37:26 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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There are MILLIONS of Muslims in this world who are peaceful, law abiding, upstanding citizens, ...

... who do nothing about the hundreds of millions of muslims who do enjoy mayhem and murder for whatever reason.

Aiding and abetting counts, even when by acquiescence.

78 posted on 09/09/2003 6:39:53 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: pdjplano
people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and Jim Baker and Jim Jones and on and on and on.

Your ignorance about the difference between, for example, Pat Robertson and Jim Jones, is monumental. If you are interested to know who Pat is, read my profile page....

80 posted on 09/09/2003 6:41:56 AM PDT by Theo
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