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How to Answer the AWOL Accusation

Posted on 09/09/2003 5:09:05 AM PDT by forktail

I keep reading/hearing about Bush's year of being AWOL from the Air National Guard. I can't find anything on the net that disputes this accusation.

Is there anything out there?


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To: for-q-clinton
I don't think there's any records showing that he was AWOL, but how do you prove a negative?

In this case you can. His service records will show where and when he was in service, day by day. If you're present and on duty, you're not AWOL.

21 posted on 09/09/2003 6:11:12 AM PDT by templar
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To: forktail
More, and this is from the skeptics:

George magazine last week wrote a story alleging that Governor George W. Bush successfully completed his Texas Air National Guard duty for the years 1972-1973. The article contradicts one in TomPaine.com, written by Marty Heldt, and one by Robert Rogers on Democrats.com.

The George article states: "For more than a year, controversy about George W. Bush's Air National Guard record has bubbled through the press. Interest in the topic has spiked in recent days, as at least two websites have launched stories essentially calling Bush AWOL in 1972 and 1973. For example, in 'Finally, the Truth about Bush's Military Record' on TomPaine.com, Marty Heldt writes, 'Bush's long absence from the records comes to an end one week after he failed to comply with an order to attend 'Annual Active Duty Training' starting at the end of May 1973. ... Nothing indicates in the records that he ever made up the time he missed.'"

"Neither is correct," the article argues. "Bush may have received favorable treatment to get into the Guard, served irregularly after the spring of 1972 and got an expedited discharge, but he did accumulate the days of service required of him for his ultimate honorable discharge." Peter Keating, co-author of the George magazine story, explained to TomPaine.com that his team's conclusions centered on one document, called an ARF Statement of Points Earned. This is essentially an attendance document that tracks when an Air National Guardsman has served, and whether he has fulfilled his annual duty.

This document that George used is far from ideal, a fact that probably accounts for the failure of other journalists to reach the conclusions that Keating and his associates did. Among other flaws, the upper left portion is torn, removing the name of the soldier to whom it belongs, with the exception of the middle initial W. Also obliterated by the tear are the year and months of service, leaving only the date (for example, for service from 2000 Oct 15 to 2000 Oct 18, only the 18 would remain). But that's not to say that it should be ignored. After all, Bush's file contains documents detailing the days he served for every year except 1972-1973. There is no attendance document in his file that specifies that he didn't serve during the 1972-1973 year (though there are other documents that do so, as we will explain later). So this document needs to be considered as one that possibly fills that hole.

One of the key contributions the George story adds to the debate is that, through some clever interpretation of the few clues that exist on the torn document, it offers a seemingly strong argument that it must be for the missing year, 1972-1973.

This detective work has caused considerable confusion, but after speaking with Keating we feel it has merit, so we will attempt to elucidate it in the following paragraphs.

First, George matched dates of service on the document against May 1973 "special orders" calling Bush to appear for service. The three dates on the special orders not only correspond to dates on the torn attendance document, but appear in the right chronological order: we know that May was the last month in Bush's attendance reporting period, and the May special order dates appear at the end of the list of dates on the document, where they would be expected.

Second, George deduced that the fourth date on the document must have been January 10th. The tear on the document runs through the column where the month abbreviations should be. In this fourth row, before the number 10, is what appears to be an "N." This -- the only visible clue concerning the month that the service took place -- suggests that the month abbreviation for this date must be Jan or Jun. But, again, we know that Bush's service records are tracked using a calendar year that begins and ends in May. It is clear from the number sequence that, at the very least, two months have passed before the fourth date of service. Therefore, the fourth line could not be June; it must be January 10 -- if you assume the document is Bush's record.

By the same logic, the previous dates on the record could be January 6, December 14, and the first date on the record could be November 29th, a date that the Bush campaign has said (and the New York Times has confirmed) is one that he served. This is also consistent with the idea that he served no time before Election Day, while he was busy working on the Alabama campaign of W. Blount, a candidate for the U.S. Senate.

More at the link: Tom Paine

Basically, the documents are there showing he served his required time, so now they have created this whole new conspiracy that someone possibly doctored the documents, but, of course, they have no proof.

22 posted on 09/09/2003 6:29:25 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: for-q-clinton
"So I assume you also supported Prez Clintoon dodging the draft?"

IMO it is a mistake to ever compare Bush to Clinton because any argument in that regard is logically flawed. When one says something like, “did you care Clinton was a draft dodger?” the question implies that being a draft dodger was made acceptable by Clinton, so if Bush does it then that is fine also. Our strongest position is that there is no comparison between Bush and Clinton. The standard is back where it ought to be, with decency.

Now, that said. Tell them that the AWOL story is an internet rumor which can’t be proved because it is false. It is very difficult to prove a negative, but ask them to offer real evidence of the rumor’s validity and they won’t be able to.
23 posted on 09/09/2003 6:34:22 AM PDT by Theyknow
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To: forktail
Another article from FR that came up in my search:

The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either

There is even a letter from his Instructor, Colonel Thomas G. Lockhart in post #80, commending his service. Hope that helps!

25 posted on 09/09/2003 6:40:58 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: forktail
I keep reading/hearing about...

Stop reading and stop listening. Join a curling team.

26 posted on 09/09/2003 6:46:52 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
I can't! A Socialist took my broom for someone who needed it more.
27 posted on 09/09/2003 6:51:22 AM PDT by forktail
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To: Brandon
Also, with the recordkeeping practices from that time period, its almost impossible to prove one way or another. The Air Force transferred thousands of personnel-related records to the National Archives about ten years ago, but the problem is, there are only three machines in existence that can read them, so they're kept I believe in Texas where one of the machines is located. During Vietnam huge amounts of records were lost when they were simply tossed off the ends of piers, like so many helicopters, jeeps, etc. were.

The attendance records for President Bush's unit may or may not be in existence. The laws governing these kinds of things are more strictly enforced now (especially since the Bureau of Indian Affairs fiasco under Babblin' Bruce Babbit's regime at Dept. of Interior), so records from a Guard unit back in the '60s could be sitting in some former CO's or company clerk's attic, or could have been lost, or they could have been burned in a fire like the one at the military's Personnel Records Center in St. Louis years ago.

28 posted on 09/09/2003 6:53:28 AM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: ravingnutter
Also worth inclusion:

The Texas Air National Guard was phasing out the F-102 fighter that Bush qualified in. He would have been required to put in significant additional time to qualify to fly the replacement fighter jet, and would have incurred additional obligated service.

Because Bush was deciding to not make a career of flying for the Guard, he decided not to make the transition to the new jets - therefore there was no need to maintain a current flight physical ....

That scenario happens routinely. I have served in the Navy Reserves with pilots and NFOs who become obsolete as the Navy drops planes from inventory - most recently - the A-6 Intruder. In the near future - the F14 Tomcat.

Certainly the facts show that Bush's service in the Texas ANG was outstanding and honorable.

Mike

29 posted on 09/09/2003 7:10:55 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: ravingnutter
Marked.

Thank you.
30 posted on 09/25/2003 12:30:17 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: forktail
Please prove he was AWOL and I'll tell you how to refute it.
31 posted on 09/25/2003 12:31:31 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: kayak
Snopes is very faulty when it comes to politics:

Online Rumor Mill Spins Its Own Myth(Snopes.com's leftwing bias undercuts its credibility)

32 posted on 09/25/2003 12:33:46 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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