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Paying the Wrong Piper
several sources, including Armor campaign website ^ | 9 September 2003 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 09/09/2003 1:10:20 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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This article may be published on ChronWatch and on UPI; that remains to be seen.

I think the facts contained will be of interest to FReepers, and that most will agree with the conclusions drawn.

Let me know what you think.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 09/09/2003 1:10:21 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Dear Congressman Billybob,

Excellent essay, my FRiend.

You raise an interesting point: "Why should I be concerned about other people's children?"

The fact is we should all be (and, I hope are!) concerned about the children; they are the future of our country.

That is why we do what we do -- we are concerned about the future -- we want to leave this a better place than we found it. Until recently, past generations have insisted that future generations get a better education, which has been one of the great keys to America's success since our founding years.

We should make no mistake -- the LIEberal/Socialist/Marxists among us are intent on destroying America. That is why they and their useful idiot camp followers who have taken over the education establishment are doing what they are doing (I am convinced it is purposeful). If they can destroy America's education system, America will be rendered "just another third world country."

[The above thought usually takes me to "Taxman's History Lesson," and my theory of why the world hates the US and why certain US citizens are actively working to destroy America, but I'll save that essay for another thread]

At least the my conservative FRiends recognize the threat and are working to turn it around. I have no LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist Bastard FRiends (I do not hang out with scum -- my mother taught me a long time ago that a person is known by the company they keep), but I recognize evil when I see it.

What the NEA and the AFT have done (more correctly, what the American people have allowed the NEA and the AFT to do) to the US education system is criminal, and I, for one, am overjoyed that the American people are finally waking up to the facts and are doing something about it. I pray that we are not too late.

Press on, Billybob. We can win this battle for America's future, but it will not be a piece o' cake!

2 posted on 09/09/2003 7:23:08 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: dixie sass; All
Ping!
3 posted on 09/09/2003 8:24:50 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Taxman
Thank you for the ping!
4 posted on 09/09/2003 10:56:57 PM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: strela; diotima; GRRRRR; Grendelgrey; freedox; Eagle9; IronJack
FYI
5 posted on 09/09/2003 11:04:52 PM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: dixie sass
A PING and a BUMP for an excellent article. Why are Senate Rats so afraid of the NEA?
6 posted on 09/09/2003 11:06:29 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Taxman
The fact is we should all be (and, I hope are!) concerned about the children; they are the future of our country.

Excellent point! They are the future engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. that will continue to build and maintain our society and way of life. But they will only be able to create and fill these needed vocations if they are educated.

7 posted on 09/10/2003 12:42:18 AM PDT by TotusTuus (Well, my brother is a lawyer. If they must exist, might as well have one in the family.)
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To: dixie sass; All
You are most welcome. A "Must Read" essay.
8 posted on 09/10/2003 5:02:53 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: TotusTuus
And we conservatives are the ones who must define the term educated.

It is high time for us to Take America Back!
9 posted on 09/10/2003 5:04:06 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Taxman
Well said Taxman! Well said indeed!
10 posted on 09/10/2003 5:12:01 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun
"I allus hev beleived ma edumacashion wuz whut got me this fur in lif! Shux, iffn I culdn't read ner rite ner spell, I maht be onna them "lives victims" we heer so much abuot."

LOL! Congressman Billybob is right on the money with this essay. We have to take America Back, and recapturing control of the education system is of great importance.

After we replace the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax and abolish the IRS, of course!

11 posted on 09/10/2003 5:27:02 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Congressman Billybob
Congressman....I agree with vouchers for government schools. But not for private schools.

The NEA is the most powerful lobbying group in the nation..And they won't let vouchers go "string-less" to private schools...That ain't gonna happen.

Best FRegards,

12 posted on 09/14/2003 1:43:36 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Artifically sweetened and flavored..................................................................)
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To: Osage Orange
Vouchers are already going "stringless" to private and parochial schools. That's precisely why the NEA is up in arms. I think you need to consider the more than 50 years of government sscholarships paid for students at places like Notre Dame University. Those haven't changed Notre Dame. And vouchers are just another word for scholarships.

Get the facts. Then let me know if you still oppose vouchers as a means to get students out of rotten public schools.

John / Billybob

13 posted on 09/14/2003 2:19:10 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; I am doing something about it.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; Osage Orange
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vouchers are already going "stringless" to private and parochial schools. That's precisely why the NEA is up in arms. I think you need to consider the more than 50 years of government sscholarships paid for students at places like Notre Dame University. Those haven't changed Notre Dame. And vouchers are just another word for scholarships.
The purpose of government funding of education is to educate the students. And--subject to the critique of the child's parents, not the government--the religion of the provider of that education is not the government's business.

The SCOTUS case in re Cleveland vouchers was most encouraging. SCOTUS saw it pretty much the way I do--the NEA came up empty.


14 posted on 09/14/2003 3:16:49 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Congressman Billybob
My conclusion is that they want to keep their base...poor, uneducated, and looking to the fed/gov for their pitiful existence.
15 posted on 09/14/2003 3:19:13 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: Congressman Billybob
You wrote:

"Vouchers are already going "stringless" to private and parochial schools. That's precisely why the NEA is up in arms. I think you need to consider the more than 50 years of government sscholarships paid for students at places like Notre Dame University. Those haven't changed Notre Dame. And vouchers are just another word for scholarships."

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Yes...they are. And I'm aware of that. ( Milwaukee..is the best example I'm aware of in the K-12 level..) And yes, I understand it's been upheld in the USSC. Maybe my concern is unfounded at this early juncture...but IMO..once the NEA and the natural evolution of government have their way...the "hoops" to jump thru will be placed.

I differ with your statement that Notre Dame hasn't changed. It has. And I'd bet you your best lure in your tackle box..that it has. ( mines a blue and white Zara Spook..) It's founding misson statement is certainly not being followed by the great majority of students. Same with Yale, and many others. Are these changes specific to and/or caused by the accepting of federal/state monies...I strongly would point in that direction for starters. But I'm quite sure it's not the only causitive factor.

I do most certainly understand your implied point....in relation to the G.I. Bill/Pell grants..etc...etc...giving students who qualified for those monies "free" choice to go where they could.

"Get the facts. Then let me know if you still oppose vouchers as a means to get students out of rotten public schools."

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Whoa thar fella....Ha!! I have some facts...not all the facts, but I got some of um. But some a dem thar facts r, as r uncle virgil used to yap...."slippery as boiled onions"....

I didn't say I opposed them....leastwise I don't think I said that. Did I? I said I support them for public schools....In other words...public school children should be able to go to the public school of their choice. And I suppose if you full-court pressed me...I'd say I'd support them for those private schools that would take the vouchers. Because of course those schools are free to do what they may do....as they are after all "private". And maybe that makes my wary stance...a moot one. And maybe I'm concerned about the elephant in the closet.....that's not really there. But experience tells me those laws of unintended consequences are valid laws, and that it's prudent to think that way. So I will "error" on that side, until I'm proven otherwise.

I'm ALL for getting kids out of rotten schools...I'm all for it. We have home schooled our's since 1988-89 so I certainly care enough to "do" something about it.

As always you make me think, and I'm better for it. Thanks & Best FRegards,

16 posted on 09/14/2003 3:23:13 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Congressman BillyBob for Congress...................................................................)
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To: Osage Orange
The main point is to cripple the NEA the AFT and all their state and local affiliated "edukashun" unions. Doing that will cripple the Democrats, who depend on that money stream. And that means getting money to move with the students to non-public, non-unionized schools. At the same time public schools will be closed, and public school teachers will be forced to seek other occupations.

This is political warfare, and right now we are paying the salaries for the enemy army.

John / Billybob

17 posted on 09/14/2003 4:33:53 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; I am doing something about it.)
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18 posted on 09/14/2003 5:28:52 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
You wrote:

"The main point is to cripple the NEA the AFT and all their state and local affiliated "edukashun" unions. Doing that will cripple the Democrats, who depend on that money stream. And that means getting money to move with the students to non-public, non-unionized schools. At the same time public schools will be closed, and public school teachers will be forced to seek other occupations."

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My main point is that kids get the best possible education. It's a bonus...and a big one at that...when the NEA, AFT, and the Democrat party get's scuffed up in the process.

This is political warfare, and right now we are paying the salaries for the enemy army.

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Agreed.

Best FRegards,

19 posted on 09/15/2003 10:13:06 AM PDT by Osage Orange (If I got smart with a Democrat,.........how could they tell?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
You asked me about Dr. Coburn's book a few days ago.......here's the address: http://wndbooks.com/Products/BreachOfTrust.htm

Best FRegards,

20 posted on 09/15/2003 5:33:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Truth: An absolute standard of right and wrong.....Today's Definition: Whatever is right for you.)
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