Hypnosis testimony use 'a risk'

The Modesto Bee ^ | Sept 10, 2003 | John Cote'

[Devil_Anse]

(And I'm going to keep repeating that post till he tells us what he said!)

[STOCKHRSE]

"It's about time some crackerjack Prosecutor made him look as foolish as a lot of his demonstrations and slaughtered English explanations are!! I"

Well,what do you think they have tried to do every time he has testified for the last 30 years!!!...Duhhh?

Speaking of looking foolish, Come back after he testifies and show us Scientifically where Dr Lee went wrong. You will be famous! Somehow Me thinks "fameass" will be a more apropos description...;-)

Please! Put your brain in gear before you put your mouth(keyboard) in motion.....

LINK:http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:SFKWIpPWOG4J:www.revenuerecoveryforensics.us/drlee.html+Dr+Henry+Lee&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"Dr. Lee has authored or co-authored 20 books; major chapters and reports; and has published approximately 300 articles in professional journals.

"He has served as chairman and director on national and international committees in law enforcement, forensic science, criminal justice education and training; and has conducted and instructed over 800 workshops/seminars.

"He is one of the most popular instructors in crime scenes, forensic evidence and criminal investigation in the law enforcement field. "Dr. Lee has assisted law enforcement agencies and investigated 6,000 major investigations and cases around the world.

"He has testified over 1,000 times in both criminal and civil cases.

He serves as a consultant for over 300 police and law enforcement agencies.

"He has served as an expert witness in many high profile investigations and national and internationally known cases."

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Dr Henry Lee is referenced individually 1,100,000 times on "GOOGLE" Internet Search Engine. IMO over 90%+/- of those are positive.

IMHO, Dr Henry Lee is the most ethical most "tell it like it is" Forensic expert in the country. He has world class scienific ability in his field and his "demonstration" method of communicating scientific facts to a jury or audience is tried and proven and is in constant demand.

Of course, those who would conceal or twist facts to gain a conviction or wrongfully free a guilty suspect,sometimes his own clients, get irritated and hate to see him take the witness stand b/c they know he lets the "chips fall where they may" no matter who gets hurt or helped.

"He slammed his fist down on the board and of course the liquid flew up on the screen. His dramatic statement: "See the Bluh spattr - somezing not right"!! For THAT idiocy he was likely paid thousands of dollars. The Jury, most of whom were so stupid......"

CO, your diatribe notwithstanding, Dr Lee's reputation appears to be on "terra firma". If either of you is spouting "idiocy" IMO it is not the good doctor

Everyone is entitled to an opinion,IMHO, but you come on a supposedly serious conservative crime forum and call the worlds most eminent expert in his field an idiot and a common prostitute....In fact the whole field is just a bunch of prostitutes;or so you say! Further, you don't even bother to qualify the statements as your opinion! Or in the alternative offer even the slightest corroboration or published professional reference to substantiate your diatribe. BTW, "diatribe" is a decent way to make your point, but you must CYA with qualification or corroboration....;-)

Further you show your lack of class and your rudeness by your bigoted statements describing Dr Lee's speech qualities or lack thereof. However, IMO, this is the only part of your rash ramblings that has the slightest basis in fact whatsoever, albeit handled poorly.

IMHO it is mindless, ill researched, and emotionally frutrated sounding posts, such as your current effort, that turn serious minded posters off. I mean, I think we have a responsibility to the lurking public and to ourselves to be reasonably accurate with our posts. This is necessary to preserve the intellectual integrity and credibility of the thread. IMO to call Dr Henry Lee an idiot esspecially without evidentary foundation or qualification only serves to show your own ignorance.....IMHO I think you are much much more intelligent than that. Well, more intelligent anyway!....;-)

Post what you want CO,speech is free here, but stop being surprised when you look around and most of the posters are somewhere else!!!!!A word to the wise is sufficient. . OKKKKKKKK. ....... ;-)

"I would LOVE to know where to email Dr. Lee. I have looked but not come up with an actual way to contact him through email. Isn't it about time that "Professional" Forensic Pathologists and Criminologists were called on the Prostitution of their knowledge?"

Co, try this:agencyinfo@bellsouth.net

Yeah..Yeah!!! Why not, wear yourself out! Careful though, people elsewhere may not be as tolerant as we are :)..... But remember CO,in America people can't be forced to work without pay and we intend to keep it that way. Also knowledge and information are "marketable" commodities in a free republic society and their value is determined accordingly. Geez!! ya know, I don't think we've tortured even one expert witness for his/her knowledge in years!!!...:_)

OH yeah! Don't forget to call them "crazy" "stupid" "Idiots",in your email, as is your custom whenever someone or group disses with you....IMO That really shows 'em watcha made of!!.RIGHT?...No way. Chill a bit, Luv,and IMO people will take you more seriously ....

Ray

[landerwy]

It hasn't gone to trial yet. But I can tell you this ....

[Canadian Outrage]

Did you see the transcript of his antics in the Courtroom in the Michael Peterson case? Blondee123 posted them for me. After you have read something like that then give me a tongue lashing if it's warranted. I know he has good credentials - not disputing his credentials. Unfortunately he has become too full of himself. I will see if I can find the URL. If I am showing my lack of class and being bigoted and rude by referencing his fractured English then I have a lot of company on the Peterson Threads. Bottom line: I am quite surprised at your inappropriate rant.!!

[STOCKHRSE]

"Did you see the transcript of his antics in the Courtroom in the Michael Peterson case?"

I have read the article. That is what he does. That is how he teaches(yes teaches) the jury and holds their attention. He acts the same way now as he did 20 years ago. THAT IS HIS SCHTICK.

But you know what I think, my friend? I think if Dr Lee was testifying for the proseution in the Peterson trials you would love him and his accent. Am I correct? BE HONEST NOW!....;-)

Ray

[Canadian Outrage]

Ray, I don't challenge any of Dr. Lee's phenomenal knowledge and expertise in his area. I don't know if you read the same part as was transcribed to me. It was terrible and even the CourtTV reporters made comment as to such. They said he was unprepared, kept saying "it wasn't my job", He admitted he had viewed none of the actual evidence, he made jokes about inappropriate things. I can't remember by heart but I will write it down and post it to you. They reported that he was several times flustered. Had to admit that his take was only supposition and could not really be proven. On and On. It shocked me. I did not respect his testimony in the Simpson case. Yes, he can be likeable and he is obviously a teacher and so probably does use cards and demonstrates his points. However in the Simpson case, his bottom line was that little demonstration which said Nothing of value. He clearly tries to endear himself with the Jury. That's fine too. I just felt in the Simpson case that I would have had a tremendous amount of respect for him if he had just refused to testify. He really didn't add any specific medical or crimonology substance by his statements. It was just speaking to a Jury that was prepared to buy anything anyway and saying Something is not right means What?. As to his broken English. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that a man as intelligent as him and who has been in the USA for such a long time, really should speak better English. It is often difficult to listen to him. Some of my words such as stupid were not meant in reference to his intelligence. Perhaps the broken English is part of the SCHTICK, I don't know. I am sure he's done a great job in many cases. But you know Ray, when a mortal man is constantly put on a pedestal and puffed up all the time - is it not possible for that mortal man to become a little full of himself?? I think it is. I do know, and appreciate, that Cyril Wecht was been hired by the Defense in a big case, flew across the Country to examine the evidence, refused to testify because he did not agree with what was expected for him to say, and flew all the way back and refused the fee. NEVER at any time, have I ever suggested that anybody working in these cases should not be paid. I don't know where you got that impression. I usually appreciate your posts Ray, but I was sincerely shocked at your postto me a couple of days ago. I wasn't quite sure why you chose me to lash out at, the thread was full of the same thing from others. Perhaps I just stepped on your last nerve, I don't know. In any event, let's just forget it. Lynn

[Canadian Outrage]

One more thing. If he were testifying for the Peterson case and told the truth I would LOVE him - I can't say I would Love his accent. I work in the Law and I do know how some of the games are played. I really really respect those who view the "evidence", test the evidence, keep and open mind and be prepared to testify truthfully and Not manipulatively. Regardless of where the chips may fall. HONEST!!

[Devil_Anse]

Ray, I gotta tell ya, CO can trash Geragos to her heart's content, and it could never be as bad as what I think of him, that knee-padded, slimy, Clinton-loving, shifty-eyed, traveling-medicine-show #####!!

Yeah, I know he's got a job to do, and yeah I know he makes lots of money, but I still find him abhorrent.

Where'd he get his law license? Schwegmann's??

The above is my opinion! I have no personal knowledge of Geragos, thank heaven! And I wasn't in Schwegmann's when he musta got his license dere! (Did he pick up some Hubig's pies on the way out?)

You can like him, Ray, and I don't hold it against you cause you da man.

CO, I'm betting that whatever Lee might testify in Scott's trial (if he does), the truth will still come out. Hope Scott's ready for that!

[STOCKHRSE]

Hi Luv. thanks for your post. Uhhh,I don't dislike Geragos I srongly dislike the Liberal POE, But I won,t say that every day cause once ah get started I loose objectivity, in fact ah may take his side on a. point in the case just to make another person think or if I think he happens to be right on the point. I, give him his due to keep it kinda balanced sometime(I wish I could give 'em all I think he has comin)!!!!! I don't care fer AHSP but If they don't have a case when the time comes we gotta let him go IMHO. Chit Don't worry,if he killed her, in time he'll get his. I can almost guarantee that!IMO he's got a partner somewhere and he/she is wantin money he ain't got and he can't go to dad and mom cause then they will know and that will be his ass.

You hit the nail on the head about CO just don't tell her I said solol, She was wondering why I picked her, she doesn't know that means I think she is capable of so much much more. Go look at #i67 she posted, looks like you are I wrote thatdamn thing.
We gonna be just fine, and if we ain't we will regardless..doncha know we related fa chryst sake!....;-0)

Lemme go now all of a sudden ma emails are stacking up and ya know how slow I am....I'm so pathetically slow ah gotta go full speed just to go backwards...;-)

Tanks again Luv

Ray






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Ok CO, Now I have about 50 articles about MP trial and blondee sent me that "yellow" piece she found.

Dr Lee is a member of a "DEFENSE TEAM" and is at that trial to give his "OPINION" only, regardng one major point and one major point only:Judging from your vast knowledge of forensics and blood behavior and inspecting the blood evidence remaining at the alledged crime scene scene: Is it likely that Katleen Peterson was beaten to death "in the manner" the prosecution theorizes and if so how likely? Be prepared to support your opinion to the satisfaction of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, if nedessary. IMHO that or something very akin to it is his charge.

Dr. Lee's answer. "It is possible but very very improbable b/c..............." He said the rest was not his job b/c that was exactly the right answer. If he knew the answer, as I suspect to some questions he did he still would not have answered. He is far too smart to let a two bit DA trap him into testifing about information outside of his charge by the head of the defense,unless,in his opinion, it would change the proper outcome of the trial.


Yes opinion is exactly what experts provide and only opinion,and the DA knew this, anything else the DA asked was to obfuscate, and it appears it worked in some cases Court TV included(ray is not surprised by this b/c it makes for viewer interest and they must have both sides view to survive).


AS usual Dr.Lee hit a home run with his testimony. In some cases in court testimony, it's not only what is said that counts but what is not said. Remember, trial is a war and all wars have two sides. IMHO the verdict will reflect Dr Lee's wisdom, IF not the appeal will.

FWIW:FYI
Dr.Lee testifies for the prosecution 95% of the time.

Only when he sees extenuating circumstances does he testify for the the defense. In regards to O.J. I could not understand the O.J. testimony b/c I could not follow it. The other day I heard Dr.Lee say that Blood thinner found in the blood on the gate proved it did not come from the body but another vessel and as a result the case was lacking integrity to convict. Note: he did not say OJ was innocent.

"I wasn't quite sure why you chose me to lash out at, the thread was full of the same thing from others. Perhaps I just stepped on your last nerve, I don't know. In any event, let's just forget it. Lynn"

It wasn't you I was challenging so much as that post itself.If you had put "IMO" at the beinning or the end or otherwise qualified your statements, I would not have said one word except maybe give an alternate opinion, but probably not even that b/c well just because I was't posting right then I don't think, I don't really remember.


I will stand corrected,but IMO you or anyone else has ever seen me ridicule an opinion. I may argue the other side and try to change their mind but that is it. A person has a right to their opinion whatever it may be and I take that very seriously.

Likewise when someone uses our blessed "Freedom of speech" to assail and degredate unfoundedly, without qualification. I will challenge them with all energy and resources at my disposal. Some may find that overbearing....TOUGH

Remember, we can think anything we want about somebody and we can say that we think that way about them. We do not get the right to say what we think is true unless we can back it up in court AND public forum. THERE ARE LAWS.

Now that this has happened, I know there is neither a vicious nor defamating bone in your body and I will challenge anyone who says differently without qualification. HONEST LUV...;-)

As far as I am concerned,my friend, It's finished business "IMHO"...;=)