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Wounded billed for hospital food
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 9/11/2003 | BILL ADAIR

Posted on 09/12/2003 9:49:51 AM PDT by CO_dreamer

WASHINGTON - After a grenade exploded inside his Humvee in Iraq, Marine Staff Sgt. Bill Murwin was treated at a military hospital in Germany and spent four weeks at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md. Part of his left foot was amputated.

His medical care was free, but the government billed him $243 for the food.

Then, just three days after he received his first bill for the hospital food in Germany, he got a stern letter saying the bill was overdue. It warned that his account would be referred to a collection agency.

Murwin, like thousands of other military personnel hospitalized every year, is expected to reimburse the government $8.10 per day for food. That's standard procedure because of a law Congress passed in 1981. But it has angered many military families over the years.

When Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Largo, and his wife, Beverly, heard about the problem, they personally paid Murwin's tab. Then the congressman introduced a bill to change the rules.

Rep. Young said Wednesday that the soldiers "were sent to war by their country. Many of them will be handicapped for the rest of their lives - and we're asking them to pay $8.10 a day for their food! There's something really wrong with that."

The practice is especially egregious, Young said, because "the food probably isn't that good."

The rule was established because most military personnel receive $8.10 a day as a "basic allowance for subsistence" for food. But when they are hospitalized, the government tries to recoup the money on the theory that they are eating hospital food and therefore are double-dipping.

Military officials have long disliked the rule but felt they had to enforce it because of the 1981 law.

"If I could be king for a day, I'd stop it in a minute," said Maj. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, who commands the Army hospitals in the eastern United States.

The government already bends the rules for soldiers in combat. They are allowed keep the $8.10 even though they are also getting free food, according to Young's office.

Murwin, 31, a sheriff's deputy in Nevada with 10 years of active duty in the Marines and three years in the Reserves, says he was flabbergasted the government would bill him.

"Holy smokes," he said. "I'm in the hospital - and they're going to charge me for my food?"

He says he was willing to pay but thinks it's unfair that young soldiers get billed.

"What made me so hot is that (it applies to) privates and lance corporals - guys who barely make enough money to pay for their own food, let alone take care of this," Murwin said.

Kiley, the Army medical commander, said the costs can add up. "If you're here for a couple of months, you could rack up a thousand dollars," he said.

Young, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said he was unaware of the law until his wife heard about it from Murwin's father-in-law. He has quickly lined up support for his bill, which would reverse the rule so military personnel do not have to pay.

His staff hasn't had time to estimate the cost of the bill, Young said, but the government has an obligation to pay for the food of injured soldiers.

The bill has 96 co-sponsors and has been endorsed by associations that represent enlisted personnel. Because of the strong support, the bill is likely to sail through Congress in the next few weeks.

Kiley said that he is glad to see the bill and that it has wide support in the military. But he disagrees with Young's unfavorable assessment of the hospital cuisine.

"It really is pretty good food," Kiley said. "It's not the same as a four-star restaurant. But we work pretty hard at it."

Murwin concurred, but said his taste buds had been dulled by weeks of eating field chow - called MREs (for Meal, Ready to Eat) - in Iraq.

"I was expecting the worst" from the hospital food, he said. "I was pleasantly surprised. I actually got a steak dinner one night."


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This is really hard to believe. Can we really be this crappy to our own wounded soldiers?
1 posted on 09/12/2003 9:49:51 AM PDT by CO_dreamer
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To: CO_dreamer
"This is really hard to believe. Can we really be this crappy to our own wounded soldiers?"

Of course we can, and are. It'll be even worse once this soldier is out of the Army and has to depend on the VA for treatment of his continuing disability.
2 posted on 09/12/2003 9:53:15 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: CO_dreamer
News to me. Sounds like they're doing the right thing and changing this law. Thank goodness!
3 posted on 09/12/2003 9:54:22 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: CO_dreamer
Can we really be this crappy to our own wounded soldiers?

Can WE?

How about spitting into the faces of soldiers returning from Vietnam? Incidentally, the law was passed in 1981, shortly after that War. Well, we had to do something --- at least charge them for food, those cruel baby-killers.

Why are you surprised. We have been horrible to our soldiers for almost half a century. Things started to get better after the Deser Storm and even more so after Sep 11.

But don't be surprised: our culture is sick and was such for a long time, treating horribly its finest.

4 posted on 09/12/2003 9:55:53 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: CO_dreamer
WHAT? OUTRAGIOUS!
What's next, charging for MRE's or food from the mess tent?

No wonder the military can get enough recruits with crap like this!

This is a horrid disgrace to our brave soldiers!
5 posted on 09/12/2003 9:59:12 AM PDT by Rain-maker
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To: Rain-maker
correction: can=can't

Let's hope this bill passes.
6 posted on 09/12/2003 10:00:44 AM PDT by Rain-maker
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To: CO_dreamer
Standard procedure. My husband and I have been billed a standard amount per day for food during hospitalization at any Army hospital, even when it's related to an injury sustained at "work."

The Army gives you a food allowance, and if you're hospitalized technically you're not using the food allowance outside the hospital, thus you turn it over to the hospital.

7 posted on 09/12/2003 10:04:09 AM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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I suspect that public support for the war in Iraq would have been miniscule if this little fact were known a year ago.

And even if public support for the war were still strong, there would have been nobody to go fight in Iraq anyway.

8 posted on 09/12/2003 10:06:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
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To: CO_dreamer
"...he disagrees with Young's unfavorable assessment of the hospital cuisine.

"It really is pretty good food," Kiley said. "It's not the same as a four-star restaurant. But we work pretty hard at it."

I was amazed at the chow in the army (80-83)- it was a hell of a lot better than the food I got at boarding school.

10 posted on 09/12/2003 10:12:16 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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"This is really hard to believe. Can we really be this crappy to our own wounded soldiers?"

Yes, our government can be this crappy and even worse. Since introducing this miserable rule that forces wounded soldiers to pay for their food while in-hospital, the Veterans Administration has done similar things to disabled veterans. Such as introducing co-payments for prescriptions and cutting back on veterans hospital/ medical care.

Some people will tell you that the V.A. funds have increased this year; but the reality is that veterans medical care has been diminished this year, (increased funding or no increased funding), and it has been declining each year for about a decade now. Hospitals are closing, or being shifted and re-prioritized to "better serve" the veterans.

What this means in practice is that you'll have to travel a very long distance for certain medical care. I also have seen some VA hospitals and clinics in Massachusetts shut down completely, or move some services to distant locations, and cut back on other services. You would think that with all the billions of dollars they are spending to fight the war on terror, that they'd take good care of our veterans. This is not the case, and it's not right.

11 posted on 09/12/2003 10:19:27 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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Hope they dont deduct it from his paycheck...

I got spit on in San Francisco by UC Berkley "protestors"

Got screwed out of a UPS job in college...the guy running the store
said he wasnt going to hire Vietnam vets because
"they all use drugs" and
"get violent with supervisors when told what to do"
He also told me that if I repeated this to anyone ..he would simply deny he said it...
and since he was the boss ..that would be the end of it..

Wadda ya gonna do...there are preeks whereever you go...the world churns them out like on an assembly line..the only thing you can do is make sure you aint one of them....do unto others as you would have them do unto you....golden rule...basic stuff...

Now that this is public...it will be taken care of...
sounds like a vestage of that great leader Bill "I loathe the military" Clinton..and his Co president
Hitlerly...who refered to the military and secret service as "her trained pigs"
12 posted on 09/12/2003 10:21:18 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: CO_dreamer
"Congress passed a law in 1981." I would assume that Ronald Reagan signed the law. Why wouldn't you expect the Army hospital to abide by the law? Users fees for services rendered/matter consumed are the way to go. SepRats!
13 posted on 09/12/2003 10:21:20 AM PDT by NutmegDevil
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Of course we can, and are. It'll be even worse once this soldier is out of the Army and has to depend on the VA for treatment of his continuing disability

No doubt. Between Bush and the Dems, I don't know who's done more to slash veteran's benefits... This Administration is unfriendly to Veterans
14 posted on 09/12/2003 10:21:48 AM PDT by Blzbba
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Can we really be this crappy to our own wounded soldiers?

It's not so hard to believe when you think of who controlled congress in '81.

15 posted on 09/12/2003 10:22:55 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: CO_dreamer
There were a whole host of these double-dipper rules put into place back in the late 1970s and early 1980s under the theory that veterans and retired military personnel were somehow "cheating" the taxpayers.

One of the most egregious requires guys who were drafted (among others) to pay a special fee to the government to have their Social Security "count" if they also earned a US government retirement.

Folks who were in government employment and were not drafted do not have to pay the special fee.

People who were draftdodgers who fled the country, but were later pardoned by Jimmy Carter, do not have to pay the special fee.

16 posted on 09/12/2003 10:28:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CO_dreamer
That has been the rule for much much longer than 1981. Maybe then they changed some wording, but any member of the military when they are receiving payments for living OFF BASE - the military did NOT issue a wife & kids, that was a personal decision, the military memebr is obligated to reimburse the military for meals & lodging if he/she is using the miltary's food & lodging.

Maybe it's only the Marine Corps that explains these RULES and REGULATIONS to its members? Or is it only MARINES who actually LISTEN to and UNDERSTAND what they are told?

Just like crying when your 6-year obligation contract you signed is enforced?
17 posted on 09/12/2003 10:29:03 AM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Rain-maker
What's next, charging for MRE's or food from the mess tent?

They're already doing it. Military members are paid a food allowance and when the government provides food, the military member has to pay back the food allowance for that meal.

I had a long stay in a military hospital and had to pay $250+ per month for my meals.

I was also a shelter manager for a bomb shelter. Military members were required to spend up to two weeks every 3 months living in the shelters and they had to purchase rations. I had to make sure everyone paid $4.85 for every MRE they took.

We also paid for some of our own equipment out of our own pockets. During my first trip to the middle east the military didn't provide sun glasses and we had to buy them. People who didn't have sunglasses risked permament eye damage.

In addition, I lost money on most temporary duty assignments. I once was sent from Germany to Arkansas for two months and was given $6 a day for food and quarters and had no transportation.

18 posted on 09/12/2003 10:29:11 AM PDT by mbynack
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PS... I really doubt that it was the Marine who complained, but rather his wife wh9o bitched and cried to the representative. Lucky for the Marine, he will probably be medically discharged.

Nothing like trying toi make a career in the military when there is a BIG RED "CONGRESSIONAL" stamped across your record book.
19 posted on 09/12/2003 10:31:47 AM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/980928/posts

This subject was covered at length at the above linked post.
20 posted on 09/12/2003 10:35:54 AM PDT by CVN73 (USS George Washington "The Spirit of Freedom")
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