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The Real Reason Conservatives are So Vehemently Opposed to the Candidacy of Arnold Schwarzenegger
www.allsouthwest.com ^ | Eric Dondero

Posted on 09/13/2003 2:46:24 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii

 
 

The Real Reason Conservatives are So Vehemently Opposed to the Candidacy of Arnold Schwarzenegger

By Eric Dondero

What do you think the real reason is for why the conservatives are so vehemently against the
Schwarzenegger candidacy?

It's not the reason they are telling you.  It's not because Arnold Schwarzenegger is a "liberal."  It's
because our so-called conservative cousins are scared to death that if Arnold wins his new brand of


"fiscally conservative/socially tolerant" Republicanism will catch on and spread like wildfire outside of California across the nation.

It almost happened a couple times in the past. Senator Barry Goldwater shocked fellow Conservatives by coming out for tolerance of Gays and for marijuana decriminalization in the late 1980s.  Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld came real close to popularizing a fiscally conservative/socially tolerant brand of Republicanism in the early 1990s. Jessie Ventura came real close too a few years later. If he had only been a Republican he might have pulled it off. And now out of California comes the Terminator.

Did you all catch Conservative Christian Reverend Lou Sheldon's remarks the day after Arnold announced a few weeks ago? It was vitriolic. This religious right Conservative standard-bearer was vicious in describing the "highly promiscuous hedonist" Arnold Schwarzenegger, playing it like he was almost "Satan incarnate." Now the American Spectator On-line (American Prowler), is brutally attacking Arnold every single day.  Social Conservative Columnist George Neuyamar has been merciless for weeks in savaging Arnold. Neuyamar blasts him cause he's tolerant on social issues. He and other Conservative Publications like the California Policy Review have been body-slamming Arnold sometimes even double-teaming him with two hit pieces a day.  They paint him as a "liberal" Republican.  They conveniently ignore his support for free market economics while playing up his
few liberal stances on social issues.

Yeah right!  Arnold is a "liberal."  If Arnold was such a liberal, than why is he such a fanatic devotee


of Mr. Libertarian himself Economist Milton Friedman? This appears on the Laissez Faire Books web site:

I started flipping the television dial. I caught a glimpse of Nobel Prize winning economist Milton
Friedman whom I recognized from my studies in economics. I didn't know I was watching Free to
Choose. It knocked me out. Dr. Friedman validated everything I ever thought about the way the economy works. I became a big pain in the neck about Free to Choose. All my friends and acquaintances got tapes as well as books for Christmas after Christmas. If I had come up with Free to Choose, maybe I wouldn't have got into body building. -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
 

Arnold has been a frequent attendee and speaker at Reason Foundation Banquets in Los Angeles over the years.  Even more it was recently uncovered that Arnold once attended an even more hardcore libertarian conference.  Former UCSD student and current PrestoPundit.com Columnist Gregory Ransom discovered Arnold's name as an attendee at an obscure conference on Austrian Economics held at his college in the 1980s. He wrote, "I remember picking up a small, poorly bound book that was a collection of papers presented at a very academic, very technical symposium on Austrian economics. On the first page was a small list of attendees at the conference, and there was Arnold Schwarzenegger's name."

Highly respected conservative and Washington Times Editorialist Donald Lambro had this to say about Arnold in a recent column; "he has deep-set political beliefs in the power of capitalism, deregulation and free markets to create economic prosperity. His reading includes books by Friedrich Hayek, the Nobel Prize-winning economist best known for his seminal free-market work, The Road to Serfdom."

And according to a San Jose Mercury News report, Schwarzenegger is a "fan of the University of Chicago Economics Department, which had provided President Reagan's economic advisers."

And this quote from Arnold once appeared in London's Financial Times; "I still believe in lower taxes -- and the power of the free market. I still believe in controlling government spending. If it's a bad
program, let's get rid of it."

Lending even more credibility to his libertarianism Schwarzenegger recently appointed hardcore free market economist and drug legalization advocate George Schultz of the Hoover Institute to be his top Economic Advisor.  In addition, the fact that Arnold has repeatedly asserted his enthusiastic support for Proposition 13 Property Tax Roll Back and Proposition 187 which eliminates illegal immigrants from the welfare rolls, proves that Schwarzenegger is not only a libertarian, but a pretty loyal one at that.

When was the last time liberal Republican stalwart Michael Bloomberg the Big Government tax-loving, cigarette smoker-hating SOB ever quoted Milton Friedman? When was the last time that RINO Dick Riordon ever contributed money to the libertarian Reason Foundation right there in Los Angeles? When was the last time squishy moderate Pete Wilson's name appeared on a roster of an Austrian Economics conference?  When was the last time liberal Republican Senators John Chaffee of Rhode Island or Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania ever appointed a libertarian like George Schultz of the Hoover Institute as his top economics advisor? Come to think of it when was the last time ANY REPUBLICAN AT ALL APPOINTED A LIBERTARIAN AS AN ECONOMIC ADVISOR?

I'll tell you when - 1980 when "supposed limited government advocate" Reagan threw us libertarians a bone in an effort to appease those of us who had backed him instead of Libertarian Ed Clark by
appointing libertarian David Stockman at OMB. And then, Reagan turned right around and stabbed us libertarians in the back by firing Stockman a year and a half later.

Let's take it a step further. Would a "liberal Republican" like Maine's Olympia Snowe, Connecticut's
Chris Shays, or even the Ripon Society, bastion of liberal Republicanism, support a Property Tax Cut
Initiative like Proposition 13? Would they support an Initiative to Stop Illegal Immigrants from mooching off our welfare system like Prop. 187?

Hell no! Those sorts of positions on issues give northeastern liberal Republicans stomach ulcers.

I know liberal Republicans. They do exist. I'd say they are about 5 to 10% of the entire Republican
Party, mostly in the Northeast with a few in California. In the early days of the Republican Liberty Caucus, we flirted a bit with the liberal Republicans. We visited with the Ripon Society folks. We made some outreach efforts to liberal Republicans in New Jersey through liberal-libertarian hybrid Dick
Zimmer's Campaigns for Congress. Believe me, Arnold Schwarzenegger IS NO RIPON SOCIETY REPUBLICAN! The Liberal to Moderate Republicans would be strenuously opposed to his views on immigration and tax cuts. They'd be extremely turned off that "right-wing kooks" like Dana Rhorabacher and Ed Royce are acting as Arnold's campaign advisors and accompanying him to
many of his campaign events and appearances.

No, Arnold is a solid "libertarian" Republican. That's spelled L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N.

Yes, Arnold leans more moderate than most libertarians, particularly more so than the anarcho-capitalists, paleo-libertarians or the extremist Libertarians in the Libertarian Party.  He
is a mainstream libertarian right smack dab in the middle of the libertarian movement.  On the World's
Smallest Political Quiz he comes out at about 75% to 80% on economics and maybe as much as 80 to 90% on personal freedom issues on the New Political Spectrum. Even more libertarian than Weld and certainly higher than Ventura.  Interestingly, this is exactly where Milton Friedman (and notably Barry Goldwater), ends up on the New Political Spectrum.

This is precisely why our so-called Conservative pals tremble in fear of the thought of a Schwarzenegger victory.  This is why you are witnessing such a saliva-spewing vitriolic response from Christian Conservatives, The American Spectator and other conservative groups and publications at the mere mention of Arnold's name.

This California race is about much more thanCalifornia. This is about changing the entire face of


the Republican Party for years to come. It is a struggle for the heart and soul of the Republican
Party. It represents the ultimate battle in the never-ending competition between the two frequently
warring right-wing factions: conservatives and libertarians.

First, in the late 1950s there was the firing and banishment from the Conservative movement of Frank
Meyers because he switched from conservative to libertarian, and the subsequent dismantling by
conservatives of the premiere libertarian think tank FEE.  Hayek reacted to the libertarian banishment in 1962 with his famous article, "Why I am Not a Conservative."  Then, there was the Young Americans for Freedom Split in 1969 in St. Louis where the libertarians walked out on the "trads" (more accurately were physically ejected). Then there was Reagan's campaign recognizing the appeal of libertarianism and stealing rhetoric from Libertarian Presidential Candidate Ed Clark in 1980, enough to win the election, along with his subsequent "night of the long knives" firing a year later of the Administration's leading libertarian Budget Director David Stockman. Then there was the Conservative Establishment's on-slaught against libertarian Republican candidate Ron Paul when Ron chose to run for re-election in 1996. Newt Gingrich, Bill Bennett, Ed Meese and just about every single washed up Social Conservative who had an opening on their schedule came down to Texas Congressional District 14 to campaign against that "extremist libertarian" Ron Paul.

And now we have the California race, where every social conservative in the country is pulling out all


the stops to make sure that libertarian Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't pull this thing off. So much so
in fact, that I've even seen conservatives in various on-line forums promulgating the line that it's "better to have Schwarzenegger lose and have two more years of Dems Davis or Bustamante" so that they can get a "real conservative" to run in 2004.

This race has little to do with California Budgetary matters. No this race is not about Gray Davis. This has everything to do with the Decade's Old War between Libertarians and Conservatives. The Christian Right/Drug Warrior Coaltion, made up of folks like Lou Sheldon, George Neuyamar, Gary Bauer and Jerry Falwell just won't stand for any Republican being elected to a high profile office who has a good sex life and makes a few positive remarks about medical use of marijuana.
 

A man who once bragged in a Dirty Magazine about some sexual orgies he's had in his life and all the
hundreds of beautiful women he has had sex with?

Heavens No! We can't stand for that!" the social conservatives say, huffing and puffing.

Will we let the social conservatives prevail yet again? Or will we libertarians come out on top?

If you are a libertarian of any stripe you should be out there campaigning as hard as you can for Arnold Schwarzenegger. You don't need to agree with him on all the issues. This fight is about much more than Arnold. It is a battle for the heart and soul of the Right. The conservatives have treated us libertarians as a bastard step-child for too damn long.

To steal an old political line: "Let's win won for Uncle Milty."
 
 
 

*Note - Eric Dondero Rittberg is a Libertarian
Republican Activist living in Houston, Texas.  He is a
former National Committeeman of the Libertarian Party,
LP candidate for state legislature, and served as Ron
Paul's Travel Aide in his 1988 Libertarian


Presidential Campaign.  In 1990, he Founded the
Republican Liberty Caucus.  He went on to serve as RLC
Chairman, Executive Director and National
Spokesperson.



TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: libertarian; rlc; schwarzenegger
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To: Kevin Curry
So you're supporting a candidate you concede is stupid, who cannot control his mouth? And you expect him to lead California and the Republican Party to greatness?

You got it.
I never said he was good, only that he was the best of the field.

101 posted on 09/14/2003 2:51:29 PM PDT by and the horse you rode in on (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: JoeSchem
I guess my question is why RINOs think that California would slide into the sea if the governor was pro-life.

No, moderate pubbies know that what a gov. thinks on abortion is no more relevant than what he thinks of life on Saturn. It is no longer a state issue, though it should be.

It was a faction of the Fetus Republicans who first brought the matter up.

102 posted on 09/14/2003 2:55:25 PM PDT by and the horse you rode in on (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: DoughtyOne
I left the party in 2000. I voted for Buchanan.

And now you support Arnold.

In Drivers' Training, that is referred to as 'oversteering'...out of one ditch and into the other.

103 posted on 09/14/2003 3:03:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: and the horse you rode in on
It was a faction of the Fetus Republicans who first brought the matter up.

As opposed to the 'antiFetus Republicans' like yourself?

104 posted on 09/14/2003 3:05:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: BlackElk
I will give Dondero this much. The fight over California IS a fight for the soul of the national GOP.

Let me add to this from another slant...

I just re-read something that a LOT of SchwarzenKennedy supporters have forgotten about how Social LIEberal (R)'s are handled by the media, and the lefties in general...

"Being a "moderate" Republican satisfies the beast only as long as they still need you for your pro-abortion votes and demeaning quotes about your "fellow" Republicans. But no matter how much the press seems to idolize this or that "moderate Republican", the moment the feisty independent maverick is unnecessary, he will transform, overnight, into Joey Buttafuco.

The media may have a crush on liberal Republicans, but don't expect them to respect you in the morning.

As the Packwood case illustrates, politicians with something to hide---say, wild promiscuity, stupidity, Chappaquiddick, or a former membership in the Klu Klux Klan---had best be liberals.

There may be other reasons to be a liberal---generalized hatred of America, for example---but one good reason is you need the media's protection. Only politicians with nothing to hide dare risk displeasing the York Times editorial page."

------Ann Coulter. Slander, page 50.

This is what we conservatives are worried about...McClintock's been around, and the presstitutes have nothing they can pin on him!

But SchwarzenKennedy...there's a LOT there. And if he doesn't dance for the LIEberals like a good trained monkey, it'll all come spilling out!

As for..."Being a "moderate" Republican satisfies the beast only as long as they still need you for your pro-abortion votes and demeaning quotes about your "fellow" Republicans."... we see this happening now! "Right-Wing Crazies" ring a bell to all?

Again, I ask any SchwarzenKennedy supporter to explain how one can be a "Fiscal Conservative", and a "Social LIEberal"? Being conservative fiscally, one would never require the general public to pay for the LIEberal excesses!

Would someone please explain this impossible position to me?

105 posted on 09/14/2003 3:30:10 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: chris1
Being a fiscal conservative and a social liberal is impossible. Why?? Because socially liberal values cost the taxpayer many many dollars in terms of dealing with its results.

Only if the fiscal conservatives feel obligated to subsidize people for the results of bad behavior. The Libertarian response is: if they were true fiscal cnservatives, why should they feel so obligated?

106 posted on 09/14/2003 3:39:15 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Tony in Hawaii
Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a libertarian. Owning a Milton Friedman book does not make you a libertarian.

The funny thing about this race is Tom McClintock is a libertarian.

107 posted on 09/14/2003 3:44:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Batrachian
Pataki slid though. His poltics are not the same as when he was first elected.
108 posted on 09/14/2003 3:46:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: tpaine
He has said he is libertarian on many issues

One can say anything they want. Howard dean is going around saying he is a fiscal conservative.

109 posted on 09/14/2003 3:51:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: and the horse you rode in on
The Republican Party was founded on this same issue back in the 1850s.
110 posted on 09/14/2003 3:52:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Tony in Hawaii
What do you think the real reason is for why the conservatives are so vehemently against the Schwarzenegger candidacy?

Simple. He’s not a Conservative.

111 posted on 09/14/2003 3:55:58 PM PDT by Barnacle (Judges can give life to criminals, but never to their victims.)
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To: Barnacle
Do you think a real conservative Republican could win the California Leftafornia governorship at this juncture in politics ... these ain't the days Ronald Reagan faced, so please don't waste time citing his wins and his reforms--which likely saved that state from going under sooner than now.
113 posted on 09/14/2003 4:59:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Tony in Hawaii
What a pantload.
114 posted on 09/14/2003 5:04:47 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (>>>>>Ah'm takin' da 5th<<<<<)
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To: nickcarraway
I was compairing Arnold to today's Pataki. Strongly liberal on social issues, and a big spender to boot. In short, a RINO, or as I like to call them, Clinton Republicans. Even so, he's infinitely better than Gray Davis, although not as good as McClintock, but he can get elected.
115 posted on 09/14/2003 5:48:49 PM PDT by Batrachian
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To: MHGinTN
Was your post intended to reply to #111?
116 posted on 09/15/2003 7:04:13 AM PDT by Barnacle (Judges can give life to criminals, but never to their victims.)
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To: Batrachian
Well said! And we have the possibility of changing Arnold's stance on some social issues such as abortion on demand. No guarantees, but there isn't a chance in hell to change a democrat in the current mold of the democrat party which is absolutely pro-infanticide.
117 posted on 09/15/2003 7:54:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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