The Real Reason Conservatives are So Vehemently Opposed to the Candidacy of Arnold Schwarzenegger

www.allsouthwest.com ^ | Eric Dondero

[Tony in Hawaii]

I didn't write the article, fool.

[BlackElk]

Ping for later

[Nowhere Man]

This article almost makes Arnold seem like a Gary Johnson Republican (former governor of New Mexico, who definitely had major libertarian influences). I do not think Arnold Schwarzenegger compares with Gary Johnson (one obvious difference is RKBA). But then, we could be surprised.

Gary Johnson (Johnston?), was that the same guy who wrote for "Guns & Ammo" in the 1980's? If that is him, I also remember him writing articles for the special issues like on assault rifles back then too.

[BlackElk]

No difference at all for the dead babies.

[Sabertooth]

In addition, the fact that Arnold has repeatedly asserted his enthusiastic support for Proposition 13 Property Tax Roll Back and Proposition 187 which eliminates illegal immigrants from the welfare rolls, proves that Schwarzenegger is not only a libertarian, but a pretty loyal one at that.

Arnold hasn't asserted ongoing enthusiasm for #187, he's running away from it.

You bet I don't want appeasement on Illegal Aliens spreading to the rest of the GOP.

[montag813]

*Note - Eric Dondero Rittberg is a Libertarian Republican Activist living in Houston, Texas. He is a former National Committeeman of the Libertarian Party, LP candidate for state legislature, and served as Ron Paul's Travel Aide in his 1988 Libertarian

A Losertarian...figures. The people without whom we would have a 2 additional Senate seat majority is going to preach to us? Yeah, sure.

[InterceptPoint]

Because socially liberal values cost the taxpayer many many dollars in terms of dealing with its results.

For example???

[Dan from Michigan]

You can't be libertarian and a gun grabber. PERIOD.

[Tony in Hawaii]

Agreed, which is why I find the article rather odd. Still, I figured it was worth a look.

[BlackElk]

I well understand that you are only posting the article and not expressing agreement with it. It is a worthwhile post because it shows more of the ugly underside of the dishonesty that is Arnie's campaign.

In 1969, Mr. Dondero's friends/heroes tried to hijack Young Americans for Freedom. They failed then and they will fail now to hijack the GOP. George Schultz is about as libertarian as Slick Willie. Frank Meyer died in 1972 as Managing Editor of National Review, baptised Catholic on his deathbed with Bill Buckley as his Godfather. He was NOT purged from the conservative movement at any time. I believe he was the sharpest ideologue at NR. His wife Elsie was also an NR editor until her death.

Friedrich von Hayek's Road to Serfdom is a major bulwark of conserrvatism and was distributed free by Young Americans for Freedom in tens of thousands of copies long after 1962. Friedrich von Hayek was not a conservative because he did not believe in God.

That Arnold attended a few economics conferenes or even believes in market solutions is not enough. The market is failing in job creation. Dondero can say that our philosophy is "Devil take the Hindmost" but Arnold had better not agree publicly or he is complete toast.

Ron Paul is an honorable but thoroughly evventric man who has totally marginalized himself. As I understand it, Ron Paul is still a militant pro-lifer, unlike Arnold. Ron Paul's problems are neo-isolationism and an yutterly impractical expectation of treatment of the onstitution as the Ur documen of our nation. If, blessedly, that view might ever be restored, it will not be within the lifetimes of Ron Paul's great grandchildren.

I will give Dondero this much. The fight over California IS a fight for the soul of the national GOP. Will it be pro-death (like left Demonrats and other libertines) or pro-life (like GOP platforms and voting records)? Will it be pro-gun (like libertarians and conservatives) or anti-gun (like Arnold)? Will it be pro-homosexual or not? Will it be (like Demonrats and "paleos" and unlike Arnold) isolationist or interventionist (like Arnold and normal conservatives)? There are m,any other issues as well. Thirty some odd years into the existence of the Libertarian Party it is obvious that that party is stricly an electoral loser. Those in LP circles are again looking at taking over the better brand name of GOP. They aren't going to be allowed to have it.

[BlackElk]

AIDS treatment comes immediately to mind.

[chris1]

Drug legalization.

[InterceptPoint]

Drug legalization

Drugs aren't legal so that is a bad example. The cost of keeping them illegal is what really is hurting us both financially and morally. The cost to society of just letting the dopers kill themselves slowly would be a lot less than we spend trying unsuccessfully to keep them from doing it. Happens anyway so what have we gained?

[DoctorZIn]

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[u-89]

There's a big difference between being truely socially tolerant and socially liberal. Liberals want to use the government to force their views on the rest of society. Many middle of the roaders wish to be "tolerant" and either endorse or at least not oppose liberal legislation and regulation. This of course betrays tolerance for the rest of society i.e. social conservatives. A truely tolerant approach would to get government out of most of this business completely and localize the rest to let people decide these issues for themselves from town to town.

[Ciexyz]

Most interesting article. If Bustamante gets in, he'll reward the far left liberals and MeCHa-supporting Hispanics who elected him--to the detriment of the State of CA and the entire nation. We'll be moaning then about marginalizing of the conservative Republicans!

[InterceptPoint]

AIDS treatment comes immediately to mind.

Don't get me going on AIDS.

I happen to be from the Duesberg school. AIDS is caused by hard drug use and the multiple viral and bacterial infections that naturally come with unprotected anal sex. The drugs eat away at your immune system and that allows one of the viruses eventually drags you down and kills you. Look back at the 25 years or so of the "AIDS pandemic" and you will see that this theory fits the facts and explains why drug users and gays (who are very big drug users) are really the only people dying of AIDS.

The HIV virus is not the cause of AIDS. If it was, we would all be dead by now. Assuming I'm right and I am, the cost of AIDS to society has been inflated by a factor of 100 or so just to fund the studies required to support a false hypothesis (HIV=AIDS) and to try to develop a vaccine to cure the problem. They are failing at this and they will fail forever because AIDS isn't caused by a virus.

So your example is not a good one.

[Enough is ENOUGH]

"It's not the reason they are telling you. It's not because Arnold Schwarzenegger is a "liberal." It's because our so-called conservative cousins are scared to death that if Arnold wins his new brand of "fiscally conservative/socially tolerant" Republicanism will catch on and spread like wildfire outside of California across the nation."

No Eric, it has already caught on.

[A Broken Glass Republican]

I couldn't agree more.

Just look at how many of them SCREAMS "Baby Killer" and "Homo Lover".

They have problems and they're afraid.

[Dog Gone]

This California race is about much more than California. This is about changing the entire face of the Republican Party for years to come. It is a struggle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party. It represents the ultimate battle in the never-ending competition between the two frequently warring right-wing factions: conservatives and libertarians.

There are some great points in this article, and there are some stupid ones.

I guarantee that Arnie is not the vanguard of a divisive libertarian/Republican battle nationwide. He is merely another example of the range of thought in the Republican party.

We've always had the social conservatives, the religious right, the economic conservatives, the libertarian strict constructionists, and some RINOs we couldn't quite understand held any of the above views.

But the rest of the nation views what is going on in California as purely a local circus. It may be dividing Republicans in California, but there's no spillover anywhere else.