Should we fear Candidate Clark?

NBC5.com ^ | 9/16/03

[gulfwarvet]

Clark was raised as a Baptist (he converted to Catholicism during Vietnam), and attended the local public schools. Clark has said he was influenced as a young man by a World War II veteran, Jimmy Miller, who coached swimming at a local Boys Club.

Clark was first in his class as a 1966 graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point in New York. After a brief stint working for a national poverty program in New York City, Clark studied at Oxford University in London, where he was a Rhodes Scholar -- an honor he shares with a fellow Arkansan who ran for president, Bill Clinton. Clark was at Oxford from 1966 to 1968, and earned a master's degree in philosophy, politics and economics.

After graduating from West Point, Clark entered the United States Army, where he would serve for 34 years and eventually rise to the rank of four-star general. Clark served in Vietnam, where he was an infantryman in command of a mechanized company. Clark was wounded four times in Vietnam and was awarded the Purple Heart and Silver Star.

[gulfwarvet]

First in his class at West Point, wounded 4 times in Vietnam, and awarded the Purple Heart and Silver Star! What are our talking points on why Bush is a better president than this guy would be? I hope he picks Hilary for a running mate...that would sink him.

[Torie]

Isn't this the chap who admitted he lied about something recently? Other posters will remember what it was. This guy will have about as much traction as Al Haig.

[Wphile]

He made up some story about how "someone around the White House" called him on 9/11 and told him to say on the air that 9/11 was, in part, the doing of Sadaam Hussein. He was called on it, so he changed his line to "a middle eastern think tank in Canada." Trouble is, there isn't a middle eastern think tank in Canada. Clarke's a scary dude if you ask me.

[prairiebreeze]

These links from UK newspapers (Not American media of course) detail Clark's nearly disasterous and reckless orders to attack or engage Russian troops during Kosovo. Only because the British General under Clark refused to obey the orders was a major incident with the Russians avoided. Clark demonstrated that despite what appear to be impressive credentials on paper, his judgement was seriously flawed.

From the Guardian via FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981521/posts

And the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm

I also notice that the News5 article doesn't delve at all into the circumstances of Clark's EARLY and GRUDGING retirement!

I have decided that News 5's coverage isn't worth watching. Consistently anti-Bush biased. Sometimes downright nauseating.

Prairie

[icwhatudo]

I must admit I dont know much about him, just rumors/tidbits here and there:

Can someone go into detail (or dispell as BS) the following:

Gave the military hardware used at WACO

Viewed as a wacko by underlings , even transfered/promoted to move him away

Involved in the Arkansas/Stephens group/lippo/Riady stuff

Again-could all be bs, thats why Im asking. Thanks

[USNBandit]

Here is what we do to handle this wackjob. His peers in the military hate him. Soon you will see a congregation of these peers (all the way back to his High School on the Hudson days) coming out to dime him out. Should his Vietnam experience be discounted, no. His service there should be respected, but his rise to flag rank and performance there will offer much to talk about. He rose under Clinton and he will suffer for it.

[Orangedog]

The question Clark should be asking himself is should he fear having Hillary as a running mate, especially if he would win. The most dangerous place in the world for him would be in between her and the Oval Office. I wonder if the words "bullet" and "brain" have any special meaning to him?

[USNBandit]

Another thought...

This guy is no better than Admiral Anthrax. CJCS William Crowe backed Clinton in '92 and amazingly found himself on the board of a small biomedical company called Bioport. They are the sole producer of the Anthrax Vaccine that couldn't pass FDA requirements to safely produce a consistent product.

[CT]

Here's all you need to know:

1. He's a Clinton Operative from Arkansas.

2. Rhodes Scholar -- need we say more.

3. Some Brits think he could have started WWIII.

4. Whether he knows it or not, its all about Hillary.

5. Doesn't think well on his feet.

6. Conversely, he's a Clinton prevaricator (liar).

[Doe Eyes]

What sort of country have we become when Democrats can run for President?

[Held_to_Ransom]

America seldom elects a really bright person to the office. True, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, but a Rhodes Scholar from Arkansas. That's a long long way from first in class at West Point.

I don't think he will go anywhere on his own, but he does present some worry if he is actually being groomed for the Vice Presidency.

[zencat]

The guy really doesn't strike me as all that quick.

I respect his service to the country, but his lack of political experience will show immediately.

Methinks Bush will crush him if he happened to win the Democratic nomination.

[VeniVidiVici]

The only thing worse than a democrat is someone who has been in the military and is still a democrat. Something doesn't click right with those folks.

[gulfwarvet]

My only worry is how would Bush do in a debate with him?

[ETERNAL WARMING]

No, we shouldn't fear Clark. But we should be very afraid of the machine that puts him in the forefront. Clark is an unapologetic communist. Look him up in Google...read the comments he's made over the years.

[Torie]

Not really. In the "modern" era, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Hoover, Johnson, Nixon, Carter and Clinton all had very high IQ's. Granted only the first on the list was a really successful president, although one can argue about Wilson, who had his pluses and minuses (but is overrated still although his stock is slipping a bit, in part because he was a diehard racist).

[Hazzardgate]

Well, on CNN he had trouble holding his own in a conversation with Anderson Cooper during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

[des]

Hillary needs military cred on the ticket

[Bedford Forrest]

What rank did the perfumed pimp hold when his Arkie white trash pal from Oxf#g was first elected with a 47% plurality [approx 18% of the eligible voters]? The depths of the little Klintonista poodle's banal amorality will emerge very soon now, like that little critter popping out of the astronaut's chest in Ridley Scott's prescient metaphor for that most lethal and evil political parasite, the Arkie white trash pal from Oxf#g - small world, isn't it? But of course the eternal question remains, who is running these sordid little sock puppets?

[ALOHA RONNIE]

Gen. CLARK =

Presidential Candidate HILLARY's Military Front Man

---

.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629

[michaelt]

In the lead in to the Fox News Contributors Roundtable on Special Report, Brit Hume showed some tape of Clark coming out of a TV studio after being interviewed on one of the Sunday shows. I guess this happened last winter, there was snow on the ground.

He was asked by reporters, who are always there to catch the guests as they leave, if he would answer some questions.

He got on his cell phone and asked the person on the other end of the line if he should stay and answer questions.

(Does anyone know who he called, or any of the other details?)

He was apparently told not to answer questions, so he told the reporters that he wouldn't, and he left.

Apparently this caused a bit of a buzz when it happened, but somehow I missed it then, and I won't forget it now.

[wolf24]

Has anyone heard about the rumor that Clark was present and actually helped create the tactics for the assault at Waco? I heard a talk radio person out of Chicago discussing this over the weekend and I've never heard anything about it.

[old school]

Honorable service in the armed forces of our country, and awards of medals for valor are all admirable qualities. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that these honorable people are good candidates for political leadership! More than the candidate himself, I would fear the electorate, who would elect a person based solely on their military record!

[JOE6PAK]

Hillary needs military cred on the ticket..

She must have some hot FBI files or shocking poloroids!

[ErnBatavia]

wounded 4 times in Vietnam, and awarded the Purple Heart and Silver Star

This former Marine wants some details....Purple Hearts in Vietnam could come, literally, from a hangnail which happened to smart during a shelling (hence, our terminology "idiots ribbon"); and the Army gave out Bronze Stars - one step below the Silver Star - to just about anybody who fired a weapon at the Vietcong. (...betting here that the bar for a Silver Star is a tad bit lower than the Marine Corps - just a guess, of course!)

[wolf24]

Clark at Waco---Discussed on earlier posts apparently:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/970183/posts

[jocko12]

O BOY ANOTHER DWARF.

[Ron in Acreage]

re 21 post... He was calling CNN, his employer to get permission to appear on another network. They said no since he was on CNNs payroll.

[old school]

Aw, c'mon, he had to get hit at least one of those times!

[Ron in Acreage]

The military loathing, far left, america haters will decide the primaries for the dems. Dean will still win. Clark is going nowhere. The left consider him a baby killer for Vietnam service and a war monger for overseeing Kosovo bombings.

[G-dzilla]

What's gonna be very interesting is if Col. David Hackworth surfaces again. He wrote some absolutely scathing pieces about "Clinton's general" for WorldNetDaily during the Kosovo adventure.

[woofie]

I didnt think Dems like the military

[LibWhacker]

He's a creep. Lest we forget. I wouldn't trust a man who accepts medals he doesn't deserve -- particularly when it appears he personally arranged not only to receive the medal, but to receive the first one minted.

Who was that general (IIRC, he was a general) who committed suicide a few years ago over the flap surrounding a medal he may not have deserved to get? Forgot his name. That poor guy commits suicide. Clark runs for president.

Shows how strong the 'rats' sense of honor is.

[blastdad51]

The Brits call him the Perfumed Prince. Do a google search on that and read all the dirt on the goofball.

Arrogant and incompetant, hell that should make him the Dem frontrunner in no time!!.

[pepsionice]

I think this middle-east think tank in Canada...is Larry's bar on 5th street in Vancouver. I have been there and they often discuss worldly events in the early hours of the morning...with a Canadian brew of course. Perhaps Clark showed up at bar and became a local member of the 'think-drink' crew?

[Soliton]

Then Criticize his connection with Stephens Inc where he was on the board until last Feb. In case you forget who Stephens Inc is:

From USAToday 1997

WASHINGTON - Sometimes two or three times a week, John Huang crossed the street from his Commerce Department office to make calls and pick up faxes at an investment firm with ties to his former Indonesian employer, senators were told Thursday.

The testimony by a former secretary at the Washington office of Stephens Inc. brought a torrent of questions from senators about why Huang made frequent use of a spare office at the investment firm. But explanations were elusive.

Republicans trying to determine whether the former government official and Democratic Party fund-raiser was a spy tried to put a sinister cast on Huang's visits. Democrats said the evidence proved nothing.

"These visits I find very curious, but I can't conclude much more," said Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn.

[judywillow]

First in his class at West Point, wounded 4 times in Vietnam, and awarded the Purple Heart and Silver Star! What are our talking points on why Bush is a better president than this guy would be?...

I'd start with the fact that W isn't a psychopathic baby-killer and go from there. I might even have adds on television showing children's choruses singing something like:

Wesley hates the little children,
all the little children of the world.
Red and yellow, black and white,
Wesley kills them all on sight...

followed or interspersed with scenes from Waco and Yugoslavia. You don't have to look terribly hard to find some of these kinds of pictures on the web. Try doing google searches on the names 'Milica Rakic' and 'Sanja Milenkovic' for instance and look at some of what turns up.

[dfwgator]

The left consider him a baby killer for Vietnam service and a war monger for overseeing Kosovo bombings.

The left loved Kosovo, it was a war that they perceived wasn't necessarily for our own gain, but to solve a humanitarian problem. Did you see any lefties (except for those nuts at ANSWER) protest Kosovo? Tony Blair called Kosovo the first "Progressive War."

[philetus]

If he's a polititian, yes.
If he's running for office, yes.
If he makes promises, yes.

Polititians don't listen to or obey their constituants orders anymore.

I don't believe any polititian is going to make a change.

[dagnabbit]

Anyone ever hear Clark say anything about immigration? He's likely pro-open-borders, since that's now nearly a Democrat orthodoxy, but it would be nice to know. So far, all the candidates, Democrat and Republican, want to immigrate away the country.

[Sooner78]

Yup, Clark's just a setup for Hillary. He'll be Hillary's running mate when she jumps in and saves us all. He'll be the military experience(perfumed prince) to go with her moderate(ha-ha-ha) democratic ideals.

[KQQL]

Don't mess with AR
..

[tkathy]

I can't imagine him appealing to the minority vote. If he starts the democrat racial demogogueing he is going to appear ridiculous.

[no dems]

Bravo! Bravo! Just wait until this guy comes under scrutiny. And let's pray that he does pick Hillary.
Re: The 2004 Prez election, LET'S ALL REMEMBER ONE THING: Since the election of 2000, we've had the new census configuration. The red states (Bush states)on the political map, are the one that INCREASED in the number of electoral votes. The blue states (Gore states) lost population in the last decade and lost electoral votes. As evenly divided as the country is, this could be a BIG PLUS. Comment anyone?
No Dems

[OKSooner]

Can you say... Damien?

[no dems]

WOW!! YOU GO GIRL!!
No Dems

[ought-six]

Clark is a very scary dude. Only an egotistical fantacist would come up with the fiction that someone from the White House called HIM on 9/11 to ask for his help. The guy is just like Bill Clinton: He will say whatever pops into his head, and the truth and reality be damned.

[chilepepper]

IQ is an overvalued commodity.

Look for wisdom -- which is "applied intelligence" if you will...