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Immigrant licenses hit roadblock
Metro West Daily News ^ | 9-21-03 | Michael Kunzelman / News Staff Writer

Posted on 09/23/2003 1:26:15 AM PDT by JustPiper

BOSTON -- A bill that would allow undocumented immigrants to obtain Massachusetts driver's licenses is inching its way through the Legislature, despite critics' concerns that the proposal poses a threat to national security and could encourage illegal immigration.

The measure recently earned an endorsement from a key panel of lawmakers, but an informal poll by the Daily News last week indicates that MetroWest legislators are sharply divided over whether to grant driver's licenses to immigrants who are living in Massachusetts illegally.

The bill's supporters, including state Rep. Deborah Blumer, D-Framingham, argue that the roads would be safer for all motorists if the state's estimated 150,000 undocumented immigrants can obtain driver's licenses and purchase car insurance.

Many immigrants flout the law and drive without either a license or insurance because they need a car to get to and from work, Blumer said.

"My basic concern is for the safety of all people using the highway," she added. "I think the bill recognizes the reality of what's going on. It's a very practical response to a problem that isn't going away."

Many other MetroWest lawmakers, however, are strongly opposed to changing the law.

"That's like saying let's give robbery licenses to bank robbers because they're going to do it anyway," said Rep. James Vallee, D-Franklin. "If they're here illegally, they shouldn't benefit from having a license. A driver's license isn't a right. It's a privilege."

The bill -- sponsored by Rep. Eugene O'Flaherty, a Chelsea Democrat who serves on House Speaker Thomas Finneran's leadership team -- would allow anyone with a federal taxpayer identification number to apply for and receive a driver's license.

Under existing state law, an applicant for a driver's license must have a Social Security number. Undocumented immigrants can't apply for Social Security numbers, but they can obtain a taxpayer ID number.

The Internal Revenue Service issues the numbers to anyone who is required to file an income tax return, but isn't entitled to a Social Security number.

Elizabeth Matos, immigrant rights coordinator for the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refuge Advocacy Coalition, said undocumented immigrants are a vital cog in the state's workforce.

"In reality is that our economy depends on these immigrants, who have been working here for years in unsafe conditions," Matos said. "This is about public safety on the roads. Nobody feels safe driving alongside people who have never been tested."

Matos has been lobbying dozens of lawmakers to support O'Flaherty's bill, which received a favorable report from the Public Safety Committee this month.

The legislation is expected to be heard by the House's Homeland Security Committee before it could be debated on the floor of the House or Senate.

In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, some lawmakers questioned the wisdom of granting driver's licenses to immigrants who are living here illegally.

"To get on a plane, all you need is a driver's license," said Rep. Paul Loscocco, R-Holliston, who opposes the bill. "I don't look at that as an anti-immigrant position. I just see it as a potential threat."

The bill's supporters, on the other hand, said the change would actually improve homeland security because it would allow the government to keep track of an otherwise elusive population.

"We would know where they are and where they're living," said Rep. Peter Koutoujian, D-Waltham. "I think this is a way to protect our citizens. More people are starting to see it that way, too."

Other states already have enacted similar proposals, but not without considerable controversy.

In California, for instance, an estimated 2 million immigrants who are living in the state illegally will be able to obtain driver's licenses beginning Jan. 1. Gov. Gray Davis signed the change into law earlier this month.

In Massachusetts, the change is expected to generate an estimated $12 million in additional revenue from driver's license fees - an attractive prospect for a state mired in a budget crisis.

"In general, I think it's a good step to take," said Sen. Pamela Resor, D-Acton. "You know that many, many employers are dependent on this labor (by undocumented immigrants), and it's not something that's going to go away."

Rep. David Linsky, D-Natick, doesn't think the bill poses a threat to national security, but he also doesn't see how the proposal would make the roads safer, either.

"I am not convinced that there is a public safety need for this," he said.

Rep. Stephen LeDuc, D-Marlborough, said the problems associated with undocumented immigrants are a "huge public policy nightmare" that the federal government should tackle before the state takes action.

"It's a much bigger problem than just licensing," he said. "There are great benefits to having an immigrant population here in Massachusetts, but there are also a lot of public policy implications that Congress should deal with first."

Rep. Patricia Walrath, D-Stow, shares LeDuc's view that the federal government should take the lead on the issue. In the meantime, she is leaning toward opposing O'Flaherty's bill.

"We've got to do something about it, but I'm not sure this is the way to do it," she said. "I'm not sure that we as lawmakers should be contributing to illegal activity."

Rep. Susan Pope, R-Wayland, hasn't taken a position on the bill, but she does have some misgivings about the plan.

"I don't think there are any checks and balances," she said. "If we're going to give licenses to undocumented immigrants, I would like to see them come back in six months to show that they have a job and are self-sufficient. A driver's license is a privilege. You should be a contributing member of society to get one."


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1 posted on 09/23/2003 1:26:15 AM PDT by JustPiper
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To: JustPiper
Tancredo is right, it is being advanced in every state, not just California...
2 posted on 09/23/2003 1:28:38 AM PDT by SteveH ((Californians for, like, you know, Moon Unit!!!))
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To: JustPiper
Whatya wanna bet this is the toe in the door the feds have been waiting for to set up a national I.D. card as part of driver's license reform? This will be fixed, when we're over a barrel and the only way out is to forfeit any objection we might have in the interest of increased security. Then the feds can ridicule us for objecting, like they do now for Patriot I and II.
3 posted on 09/23/2003 1:40:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: JustPiper
The bill's supporters, including state Rep. Deborah Blumer, D-Framingham, argue that the roads would be safer for all motorists if the state's estimated 150,000 undocumented immigrants can obtain driver's licenses and purchase car insurance

Geeee so that means if i buy a box of hand grenades and get a permit for them i can go to the community aquarium and use them to go fishing right?

4 posted on 09/23/2003 2:12:34 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("If guns kill people, where are mine hiding the bodies.")
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster
ping
5 posted on 09/23/2003 3:23:08 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: JustPiper
I am wondering if it is possible for other states to pass legislation that would not recognize as legal driver licenses issued in states that issue them to illegal aliens. If so, we should all be pushing our state legislators to enact such legislation. (You would no longer be able to drive legally in VA with a CA drivers license.)
6 posted on 09/23/2003 3:57:45 AM PDT by vrwcregistered (Response to states that issue drivers licenses to illegals)
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To: vrwcregistered
Legal drivers = Safer roads

Legal immigrants = Safer country

Is that tooooo logical??

7 posted on 09/23/2003 5:10:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: JustPiper
This is a National Security issue and Congress needs to pass a law forbidding any State from giving a legal identification card or driver's license to anyone who is not legally in the United States.

They also need to make it a felony for any non-citizen to register to vote or to vote in any election. Then maybe they won't have to worry about losing the illegal alien vote by taking a stand for Americans.

8 posted on 09/23/2003 5:22:52 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Geeee, My house would be a lot safer if I could afford an alarm system and if I had a Land Rover I would feel so much safer on the road. I think every citizen would. So maybe we should stop paying taxes so that we can afford all of these things.

If they can't find and pick up 13 million illegals then how the hell are they going to find 50 million legals that now refuse to pay taxes. I bet they would take notice. Of course none of the citizens have the guts and balls to do that. But it's going to be that or war on the streets. There are some really upset people out here.
9 posted on 09/23/2003 5:27:05 AM PDT by georgiabelle
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To: JustPiper
...undocumented immigrants...

I take it you mean illegal aliens, Mr. Kunzelman.

10 posted on 09/23/2003 5:31:02 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: JustPiper
Its time they allow convicted drunks to get a drivers license. Their going to drive anyway and the roads would be a lot safer if they could get insurance.
11 posted on 09/23/2003 5:33:40 AM PDT by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free, http://fearless-flyers.com)
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To: JustPiper
...150,000 undocumented immigrants can obtain driver's licenses and purchase car insurance.

Just because they get a license doesn't mean the'll get insurance. This is just a damn lie!!!!!

12 posted on 09/23/2003 5:36:48 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: JustPiper
"My basic concern is for the safety of all people using the highway," she added. "I think the bill recognizes the reality of what's going on. It's a very practical response to a problem that isn't going away."

Gee, while you're at it, why don't you drop the legal driving age? Let fourteen year olds drive! We all know that kids love to take their parents' cars for joyrides. Why have an age requirement?

13 posted on 09/23/2003 5:39:54 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: JustPiper
The bill's supporters, including state Rep. Deborah Blumer, D-Framingham, argue that the roads would be safer for all motorists if the state's estimated 150,000 undocumented immigrants can obtain driver's licenses and purchase car insurance.

Oh really?

What a clueless twit!

This means that there will be another 150,000 "staged" traffic accidents with whiplash injuries to bilk insurance companies out of money and force the "legal" drivers to pay the tab for increased costs.

14 posted on 09/23/2003 5:43:15 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Excuses are like a$$h*les. Everybody's got one and they all stink.)
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To: JustPiper
Geez, why bother anymore? Just change the name to United States of Mexico and be done with it.
15 posted on 09/23/2003 5:45:12 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: All
Maybe all the people with suspended and revoked licenses should organize and sue under the equal protection act.

File a suit claiming that since the States supply drivers licenses to other known criminals in order to enable them to get insurance they deserve the same privilege.

The threat of the lawsuit would surely piss off insurance companies, which are one of the strongest lobbying groups in Washington.
16 posted on 09/23/2003 5:51:19 AM PDT by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free, http://fearless-flyers.com)
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To: JustPiper
"Many immigrants flout the law and drive without either a license or insurance"

Not many, Deborah--all illegal immigrants flout the law. Their presence in the United States is illegal. That's why they are illegal immigrants.

17 posted on 09/23/2003 6:11:58 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The American Heartland--the Spirit of Flight 93)
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To: JustPiper
Many immigrants flout the law and drive without either a license or insurance because they need a car to get to and from work, Blumer said.

And many 'immigrants' flout the law just by being here...

18 posted on 09/23/2003 6:15:27 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("People never grow up, they just learn how to act in public." - Bryan White)
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To: JustPiper
"Many immigrants flout the law..."


Indeed they do. It starts at the border when they enter illegally.

19 posted on 09/23/2003 6:19:23 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: N. Theknow
I may be biased, but having been the victim of one of these whiplash scams, I say they need to deport every one of thee miscreants and their prodigy(US born or not)
20 posted on 09/23/2003 6:22:43 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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