Thinking small, Free State Project hopes for big things

Palm Beach [FL] Press Journal ^ | 22 SPT 2003 | Kenric Ward

[Chemist_Geek]

I wish them the best of luck. It will be interesting. It might even be a nice place to visit.

[BADROTOFINGER]

Think small, act not at all.

That would be a more appropriate headline to this continuing silliness. Even if this "project" could manage to move the whole 20K folks into a state like Wyoming, it would make no difference to the outcome of statewide elections. Not a bit of difference.

No disrespect intended, but I think that it is you who are thinking small. 20,000 people, each change another's mind on an issue concerning freedom, thats 40k. You tell a politician that you have 20,000 people waiting to vote against them if he does/doesnt do X, you can grab him by the er, horns. You ever play poker? This would be called bluffing (or not) from the first position. Also, if even half of the 20k actually got ACTIVE in campaigning, the result could be huge. Very myopic, IMO, MM...JFK

[Concentrate]

You need to look closer at Wyoming. An influx could easily take over the reins of government in some counties and small cities. That would be a change. Because it leans libertarian already I think 20,000 activists could make a difference.

And there are a lot of like-minded folks right next door in Colorado who wouldn't mind moving one state to the north.

[Concentrate]

So if we, the citizen frogs, are not to be gradually boiled in the hot water of creeping socialism SOMETHING different has to happen. If this is a bad idea, or a useless one, what's a good one?

I live in New York, where nearly every vote I've ever cast has been useless. It sure would be nice to make my vote count for once. Once chosen, a Free State might mean a lot to a lot of people who don't FReep, aren't interviewed, but who would embrace the opportunity to make a change.

[Concentrate]

It would be better to choose two states: one in the east, and one in the west. Wyoming would be best in the west and perhaps Vermont would be best in the East, because of it's liberal carry laws and lack of crime.

It's important to choose soon, so as to give people time to move. And it's important to choose two states so folks can be a drive away from their hometowns.

I don't know about Delaware, though. Isn't there a lot of crime there compared to Vermont or New Hampshire?

[bc2]

I am actually looking forward to a move, and some adventure out west will suit me just fine. As much as I want NH to win, I won't be upset if a western State takes it.

I am looking forward to leaving the overly populated East, and moving out of an urban area back into a rural setting.

But, I am young, and my father said he would follow me to NH but probably not WY or ID.

We shall see!

[u-89]

>some eatery possibilities...I hope there'll be a bulletin board....have a guitar-picker and/or banjo plunker

It seems we're on the same wavelength about how a joint should be set up. If I'm going to move west then I'll be missing the culture of the east coast so I'll have to make some of my own. A college town would be an ideal location for what I'm thinking. The first thought was along the lines of a Viennese coffee house where artists and intellectuals could hang out. A place where liquor is served but it is not a bar in the traditional sense. Then I got to thinking to expand it to fill multiple functions. I figure a split with a bar and "reading room" decorated with liberty themes and 1984 posters and such. Then there would be an adjoining seated dining room where musicians can play blues, folk, jazz, etc. College kids might be good for fairly talented but cheap entertainment along these lines. This room would also double as an art gallery. As for the food I don't want to hire a chef so I thought gourmet sandwiches and light Mexican stuff like nachos and burritos, etc. could be served as well as some fancy deserts. My brother is sick of Florida so I figure I could get him to operate the place on a daily basis which would free me to do my artwork and conduct my other businesses and ventures.

Hopefully a project I'm currently working on will pay off enough so I can open this cafe as well as build a house I designed for myself. One of the draw backs to building has been I never knew where to build it. I knew it wouldn't be here in Jersey but didn't know where to settle. The FSP will fix that problem.

[archy]

Hopefully a project I'm currently working on will pay off enough so I can open this cafe as well as build a house I designed for myself. One of the draw backs to building has been I never knew where to build it. I knew it wouldn't be here in Jersey but didn't know where to settle. The FSP will fix that problem.

I also suspect that you'll have a goodly number of Porcupines who miss such venues from their old surroundings, as well as the locals who find the idea a welcome change and breath of fresh air. Whether the numbers of regulars will be enough for your success is of course a crapshoot, but not an unreasonable one.

If it wasn't for the FSP project location requirement, I know of a great little place that needs a good guiding touch, and it sounds like what you have in mind would be just about right.

Read this, then this.

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[u-89]

>success is of course a crapshoot, but not an unreasonable one.

That's why I feel a college town would be the best location - more locals hip to the concept. I sort of doubt the place would work out in ranch country. It just wouldn't be a typical cowboy sort of joint.

Did I understand you correctly that the big annoucement will be carried live on the internet?

[archy]

That's why I feel a college town would be the best location - more locals hip to the concept. I sort of doubt the place would work out in ranch country. It just wouldn't be a typical cowboy sort of joint.

Did I understand you correctly that the big annoucement will be carried live on the internet?

A lot of those cowboys might surprise you. But that's counting chickens before they hatch, and New Hampsterland may well be the final choice.

The announcement is to be made at 11:00 AM New York time. I understand Fox News will be there, and Porcupines have never been shy about getting their news netposted.

I should have it posted here by around 11:03 NYC time, unless someone beats me to it. Dewey defeats Truman!

Details of the announcement *here.*

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[u-89]

You're right that one should not stereotype all cowboys. I used to be a carpenter and surprised a lot of customers by listening to classical music while I worked. Still the open range would not provide the numbers of type cast patrons I would need to make the business successful. This is a city venture (my house will be in the country though).

You think NH could pull it off, eh? That was my first choice but now I've gone and talk myself into loving Wyoming. If NH wins I'll have to adjust all over again.

[archy]

You think NH could pull it off, eh? That was my first choice but now I've gone and talk myself into loving Wyoming. If NH wins I'll have to adjust all over again.

I think good and dedicated people can pull it off in either location, probably in most of them. I think the results will come a little sooner in Wyoming, there being more like-minded folks already resident there. I expect we could get larger numbers in New Hampshire, eventually, but that the darkside forces can easily draw from their neighboring allies nearby too. Neither do I think Montana is at all unworkable; it's got a couple of advantages that the two forerunners lack.

But check these sites out, and see if you don't find yourself real satisfied with the idea of it being Wyoming:

http://www.geocities.com/freewyoming

http://members.aol.com/wyomingliberty

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wyfsp/

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[archy]

You're right that one should not stereotype all cowboys. I used to be a carpenter and surprised a lot of customers by listening to classical music while I worked.

I first heard Sibelius' Finlandia played in a German army tank repair workshop. Real fun bunch. I enjoyed the recordings so much, I went to hear the music performed live by the Munich Philharmonic, and found I'd acquired some new tastes.

You might have expected Wagner from the Kraut tankers, maybe even Bach. Probably not Khachaturian or Mussorgsky....

But why not? After all, their marching song was composed by Lieutenant Kurt Weill.

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[u-89]

I'm anxiously counting down till tomorrow's announcement. Been talking about this and now have a local friend convinced that he will make the move as long as its NH or Vermont. I have two others strongly considering the move to where ever the Project votes to go as they too are fed up with NJ and have been planning on getting out anyway. One wants to take a road trip with me when I venture out to reconnoiter whatever state is chosen. Been through all of them except Alaska but will be looking differently at things now with the intent of moving behind the visit.

[archy]

I'm anxiously counting down till tomorrow's announcement. Been talking about this and now have a local friend convinced that he will make the move as long as its NH or Vermont. I have two others strongly considering the move to where ever the Project votes to go as they too are fed up with NJ and have been planning on getting out anyway. One wants to take a road trip with me when I venture out to reconnoiter whatever state is chosen. Been through all of them except Alaska but will be looking differently at things now with the intent of moving behind the visit.

Well, in less than 12 hours, we'll find out. See you in the Free State- and there may be more than one come about....

By all means invite your pals from NJ to join us here into preplanning our future adventures, and your VT/NH inclined friend is welcome too, or we can easily enough point him toward those already resident there.

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