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Muslims in the Military
The Washington Times ^ | September 25, 2003 | Editorial

Posted on 09/25/2003 10:13:31 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Chemist_Geek
With all due respect, there was segregation of sorts practiced in WWII. Well, today it would be called segregation, but before the death of common sense it was more than likely regarded as prudence.

The Nisei performed honorably, loyally and bravely, but they were assigned combat roles in Africa and Europe, not the Pacific.

Recent events seem to demonstrate a need for a return to a more prudent policy.

21 posted on 09/25/2003 11:08:07 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: quidnunc
"Dueling it out are two policy imperatives dear to our tradition of government: equal treatment of all regardless of race and religion, and the need to guarantee national security."

In a more enlightened age, a high court ruled that islam was illegal in the U.S. and "religion" in the American Constitution and other official documents refered to Christianity, not those who follow an "imposter such as Mahommet" or anyone who bloddies a chicken over an alter.

Too bad we have given away the country to a "religious" free-for-all in the name of political correctness.

22 posted on 09/25/2003 11:08:54 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: princess leah
How about shoe shiners (sad'um).
23 posted on 09/25/2003 11:09:55 AM PDT by ampat
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To: quidnunc
And precisely how are we to determine which Muslims are which? Give us a concise summation of just how we might do this.

We don't. Is that concise enough for you?

24 posted on 09/25/2003 11:10:34 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: quidnunc
The military ought to fight the PC crowd about who they let it. The devil worshipers have been petitioning to become chaplains for years.
25 posted on 09/25/2003 11:11:29 AM PDT by ampat
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RoughDobermann wrote: {And precisely how are we to determine which Muslims are which? Give us a concise summation of just how we might do this.} We don't. Is that concise enough for you?

So we just don't bother trying to prevent the jihadists from working their will on us as they conceal themselves within the American ummah, right?

26 posted on 09/25/2003 11:17:09 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: grayout
grayout wrote: I am truly saddened and frightened. I see many folks true colors and Its sickening. Thankfully our most of our politicians have a lot more sense than the keyboard crusaders.

What in the world are yoiu babbling about?

Nobody's advocating internment or mass-expulsion of all Muslim non-citizens.

What is being advocated is increased awareness that a not-inconsiderable number of Muslims living in America consider their primary allegience to be to Islam and not to the United States, and that these Fifth Columnists constitute a real and present danger.

This fact is incontravertibele, having been borne out time and time again.

28 posted on 09/25/2003 11:34:41 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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So we just don't bother trying to prevent the jihadists from working their will on us as they conceal themselves within the American ummah, right?

No, not at all. Preventing our enemies from attacking us is generally a good idea. Do we do that by casting a wary eye on ALL Muslims? I would argue no.

29 posted on 09/25/2003 11:35:38 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: grayout
And I can't believe that some freepers have no common sense.

Muslims should not be allowed to serve in military campaigns against other muslims. They will NOT remain loyal.
30 posted on 09/25/2003 11:39:57 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: grayout
OK...who do we keep out?

Start with excluding non-citizens from countries that support terrorism. Proceed onto extensive background checks for the lowliest Muslim enlistee, with red flags for those who have studied Islam in the Middle East, or who are or have been associated with radical Islamic organizations and/or mosques.

Transfer certification of Islamic chaplains to moderate groups who have no history of ties to terrorist groups. Discourage the current recruitment techniques openly admitted by Islamic chaplains, and stop giving them soapboxes in the name of "tolerance."

In short, take the lessons learned from these cases and shore up our defenses, instead of hiding behind the same political correctness that gave us 9/11.

31 posted on 09/25/2003 11:52:18 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: quidnunc
MUSLIMS IN THE MILITARY?

Stupidest thing I"ve ever head of in my life.

32 posted on 09/25/2003 11:55:49 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: RoughDobermann
RoughDobermann wrote: No, not at all. Preventing our enemies from attacking us is generally a good idea. Do we do that by casting a wary eye on ALL Muslims? I would argue no.

I repeat, how in the name of hell are we going to determine which are which if we don't look at them all with a gimlet eye?

The Justice Dept. is consistantly rooting out terrorists and their supporters who had previously been considered moderate Muslims loyal to the U.S.

Al Qaeda held classes instructing their operatives how to blend into their host countries' societies without attracting attention.

33 posted on 09/25/2003 11:56:00 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: grayout
grayout wrote: Does THIS read like people that just want to secure the military and have no hostility toward the law abiding Muslims of this country/ No other religion infects the mind and blinds the eyes like islam. and if that means denying military service to muslims than so be it and the rights of the adherants of this bastard death-cult In a more enlightened age, a high court ruled that islam was illegal in the U.S. How about shoe shiners The devil worshipers The above is not the language of rationality. This is not the language of 'lets just make sure our military is secure'. If these comments were made about Christians there would be meltdowns and frothing at the mouth about persecution. Creating a rational security plan for the military doesn't come from a place of 'all filthy devil worshiping Muslims must be segregated'.

Notice if you will that nobody is saying "Death to all the heathens in the name of holy Christendom!"

Muslims — Muslims, not Jews or Hindus or animists, but MUSLIMS — killed almost 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and another 800 or so in the two decades prior to that to the general approval of the Muslim world.

They have not shown themselves to be worthy of the benefit of the doubt.

36 posted on 09/25/2003 12:10:09 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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I repeat, how in the name of hell are we going to determine which are which if we don't look at them all with a gimlet eye?

Again, we don't and can't unless we do exactly what you apparently describe. It is patently and obviously unfair. If you disagree, fine.

37 posted on 09/25/2003 12:15:58 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: quidnunc
Muslims — Muslims, not Jews or Hindus or animists, but MUSLIMS — killed almost 3,000 Americans on 9/11

They were also all male. Do we start casting a wary eye on all males now, too?

I'm not arguing that people who claimed to be Muslim carried out 9/11; that is obvious. What I'm arguing is that not all Muslims are radicals and terrorists, and therefore, not all Muslims should be looked upon such. That's all.

38 posted on 09/25/2003 12:18:32 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: grayout
your plan seems sensible

I think what you're seeing on this thread is hyperbole born of frustration. No sooner is an American muslim arrested -- military or not -- than we are treated to a flood of "he's innocent!" "it's racism!" or specious diatribes about the first amendment. This started way before 9/11 (think cold-blooded killer H. Rap Brown, among others), fostered by the race-baiting liberal media and politicans who put campaign funds before country.

Incredibly, two years post-9/11 we're seeing the same apologies and spin from academia, media and politicians, and many of us who didn't know a turban from an abayah before 9/11 have had to fast-track some learning about Islam, and with the flood of books printed in the past two years, and the continual stream of vitriolic diatribes and bloodshed emanating from the Muslim world, it's not been a pleasant learning experience. What we've learned is more "sickening" and "frightening" than any comments on this thread.

There's a massive problem facing the western world, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to solve it. If America doesn't start taking some prudent, un-pc steps to protect itself soon, we can kiss our future good-bye.

39 posted on 09/25/2003 12:20:30 PM PDT by browardchad
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RoughDobermann wrote: (I repeat, how in the name of hell are we going to determine which are which if we don't look at them all with a gimlet eye?) Again, we don't and can't unless we do exactly what you apparently describe. It is patently and obviously unfair. If you disagree, fine.

Fair to whom, the Muslims or to the people whom their batshit-crazy, jihadist fellow religionists are trying to kill?

40 posted on 09/25/2003 12:21:09 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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