Schwarzenegger Gets My Vote

Fox News ^ | September 27, 2003 | Dennis Miller

[Princeliberty]

Arnold's poll had McClintock at 17% so McClintock
higher than that and certainly well higher than
15%.

The real story is if Cruz wins it will be because
of conservatives who wasted their votes
on Arnold.

[McGavin999]

Well if he was at 17% then he's losing ground because all the most recent polls have him around 15%

[nickcarraway]

Won't it be Schwarzenegger's fault? Every other person who runs for office is responsible for winning the votes necessary. Schwarzenegger is no better than President Bush or anyone else. We have elections not coronations. If Schwarzenegger wants to be governor, he should do what it take to win.

[Texasforever]

If Schwarzenegger wants to be governor, he should do what it take to win.

Well DUH!

[buzzyboop]

I think Arnold is doing exactly what it takes. He's leading, isn't he??

[Sunsong]

"If Schwarzenegger wants to be governor, he should do what it take to win."

Isn't that what he is doing?

And if another "republican" plays the spoiler, isn't that "spoiler" responsible for their impact?

And if you think that McClintock is NOT responsible for the impact that he has, aren't you also saying that France was NOT responsible for sabotaging the UN resolution for war with Iraq? Isn't this kind of thinking the same kind of thinking that excuses France and places all the "responsibility" on America?

[Bonaparte]

"If BustaMove wins this, it will be because of you folks."

The question I can't seem to get an answer to: If McClintock withdrew (he won't, but if he did) and then an "October surprise" made Arnold electorally radioactive, who would then be "responsible" for "electing" Bustamante?

[My2Cents]

Prediction: McClintock can take his double-digits into election day, and half of them will will enter the voting booth and be smart enough to switch to the frontrunner. Arnold will win even with McClintock in the race.

[nickcarraway]

Isn't that what he is doing?

Well, if it is, then he should win, no problem.

[My2Cents]

many of McClintock's supporters will not want to be responsible for cating a vote which essentially elects Bustamente.

I trust most, but not all. Check this out: a declaration that it would be better having Bustamante as governor than Arnold. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/990839/posts?page=63#63

[Texasforever]

then an "October surprise"

How do you top nude photos and a Nazi family member?

[nickcarraway]

George W. Bush did what it took to win the Republican primary and the general elections. Remember all those people who said we had pick McCain in the primary, and Bush could never win...

[My2Cents]

A vote for the frontrunner, who is a fiscal conservative, is NOT a wasted vote.

[nopardons]

You're right and you have mail. :-)

[Sunsong]

"The question I can't seem to get an answer to: If McClintock withdrew (he won't, but if he did) and then an "October surprise" made Arnold electorally radioactive, who would then be "responsible" for "electing" Bustamante?"

So you would like an answer to a hypothetical question that you claim will never happen :-)? You claim that McClintock will not withdraw, but you ask about a hypothetical situation that "might" occur if he did?

My view is that *if* Davis comes up with a smear that actually works to make Arnold "radioactive" -- and the chances of that are slim -- [I think that has to be admitted -- we are talking about California here]. *If* that happened -- then Arnold would be responsible for not having prepared the public for whatever "heinous crime" he might have committed. Arnold would indeed be "responsible" for his impact. However, I think that most Califorians would suspect Davis of playing dirty before they would find Arnold "radioactive".

So, I've answered your question. Now please answer mine. Is McClintock "responsible" for his impact in this race?

[Bonaparte]

Thanks, SS. Your short answer is "Arnold." Good. I'm talking to someone rational for a change.

Yes, McClintock is responsible for his impact. And so is every other candidate. If your "worst case scenario" occurs and Cruz wins, can Pete Wilson honestly say he didn't know Tom McClintock when his candidate filed right after McClintock filed and did so right after McClintock promised his supporters he was in the race to the finish line?

If you are at all aquainted in recent Sacramento history, then you know that Wilson and McClintock go way back and have locked horns before. Wilson knows good and well that McClintock has never broken his word.

[jocon307]

"A chance for what?"

The only chance he has is to be the spoiler. He should think this through very closely. If, on Oct. 8th, Cruz Bustamante is the governor of California, Tom McClintock will replace Gray Davis as the most hated man in the state.

As he is rather unpopular already, that may not bother him very much. Hence, the problem.

[Sunsong]

"George W. Bush did what it took to win the Republican primary and the general elections. Remember all those people who said we had pick McCain in the primary, and Bush could never win..."

President Bush was always considered the front runner. McCain was second. I agree that there were people who thought that President Bush could not win in the general election and that McCain could. But the numbers were always good for GW. McClintock does not have good numbers. McClintock is in the teens and Bustamante is in the high twenties or low thirties. The facts don't agree with your comparison.

McClintock cannot win. There was a chance that McCain could have won. He was getting large and enthusiastic crowds. That's not the case with McClintock. McCain was able to raise money. McClintock is not.

What I'm trying to understand is why and/or how people who say that Arnold is 100% responsible for the outcome of the this election have come to that conclusion. I can't follow the logic that tells me that conservatives believe in personal responsibility and yet somehow, magically, McClintock is not personally responsible for his impact. I just don't get it. Davis is having an "impact" on this race. Bustamante is having an "impact" on this race. Arianna is too, as is Arnold, as is the media, as is Clinton and all the dems who have come and campaigned for Davis. Everyone has an "impact" and is "responsible" for their choices and decisions and the consequences of those choices and decisions.

Why is McClintock the only person who is not responsible for his impact?

[Sunsong]

"Yes, McClintock is responsible for his impact. And so is every other candidate."

Refreshing :-)

Thanks for your honesty.

As to Wilson "knowing" that McClintock would never break a promise and so, I guess, you are saying he cannot withdraw --- I think that McClintock can tell the truth. McClintock can say in all his interviews and his ads that he cannot withdraw because he has given his word -- BUT -- he does expect and believe that his supporters and all people who want a positive change in California will be savvy enough on election day to see who has a realistic chance of winning and vote accordingly.

I'm sorry that Wilson and McClintock have had problems. I hope they both can get beyond them. But that's another issue :-) -- right now there's an election to win...