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Freeper dpwiener: Davis is Toast, BustaBoogeyman May Finish Third
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Posted on 09/28/2003 1:40:25 PM PDT by ambrose

Sunday, September 28, 2003

posted 9/28/2003 11:53:27 AM by Daniel Wiener  

Republicans are in full panic mode that McClintock will tilt the election to Bustamante.

Democrats are in full panic mode that Bustamante is dead in the water.

Polls show Davis is way behind and maybe even losing ground.

Folks, it's over. Gray Davis is dead, burnt, ash of toast. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the new governor. And Tom McClintock is the new conservative hero.

Everybody had been focussed on the fact that two major Republicans are "splitting" their party's vote, thereby making it possible for Cruz Bustamante to win with a weak plurality. This is a very superficial, static analysis which is based on an improper application of historical results. Democrats are the dominant political party in California, so it seems logical that it would take a united Republican front to have even an outside chance of defeating the Democrat for Governor.

But this is the antithesis of a normal, historically-typical election. This is a "throw the bums out" election, and the people who vote are going to skew heavily anti-politician and anti-government. Let's look at what this means.

Around a million absentee ballots have been cast so far, and Republicans worry that the absentee votes cast for McClintock are lost forever, even if he were to suddenly withdraw from the race and throw his support to Schwarzenegger (which won't happen). True, but so what? Even in a normal election the early absentee ballots run more Republican and conservative than the election day voting. This election will accentuate that. The huge burst of absentee balloting is not coming from people who are eager to keep Gray Davis in office or who are fans of Cruz Bustamante. It is coming from people who can't wait to overturn the status quo.

So at 8:10 pm on October 7th, when the various county registrars release the early absentee vote counts, those numbers will show Davis going down by a huge margin. They will also show Schwarzenegger with a comfortable lead over Bustamante, and Tom McClintock with 10% to 15% of the vote.

In order for Davis or Bustamante to overcome that initial handicap, each would have to win in the election-day voting, and win by more than just the skins of their teeth. But if the election was close enough on election day for Bustamante to have a chance, then a large fraction of McClintock's supporters would hold their noses and vote for Arnold, which would easily put him over the top.

It's a lose-lose situation for both Davis and Bustamante. All those Republicans out there who have worked themselves into a state of shear terror have done so for nothing. As the results are reported on election night, we may see the percentage gap narrowing on the recall question and between Schwarzenegger and Bustamante, but the absolute margin of votes will continually increase. Even that might not be true; the percentage gap could also widen, and this could turn into a runaway landslide.

Indeed, if other polls in the coming few days mirror today's USAToday/CNN/Gallup poll, the pressure will abate for McClintock supporters to vote for Arnold to avoid Bustamante. If it seems certain that Arnold will win big, some of his reluctant conservative supporters may find it safe to swing back to Tom.

The news media needs conflict and it needs a story theme. If Davis' ouster and Arnold's victory is seen as a done deal, they'll have to turn elsewhere to find enough drama.

The surprise, last-minute election news frenzy may turn out out to be the question of whether Tom McClintock beats out Cruz Bustamante for second place.





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dpwiener is apparently too modest to post vanities, but I think this cogent analysis deserves a thread of its own.
1 posted on 09/28/2003 1:40:25 PM PDT by ambrose
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2 posted on 09/28/2003 1:40:55 PM PDT by ambrose (If Hillary Hates Arnold, He Can't Be All That Bad...)
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3 posted on 09/28/2003 1:41:27 PM PDT by ambrose (If Hillary Hates Arnold, He Can't Be All That Bad...)
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4 posted on 09/28/2003 1:42:50 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................I report...THEY decide.....................)
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To: ambrose
ambrose, I for one, am NOT panic stricken about McClintock. I think you are projecting a bit here. I fully believe that Arnold will win, and McC won't tilt anything, except for a few more windmills.

What upsets me is to see a perfectly valid Republican (McC) literally throw away any chance of a career in politics the way he is. I would have supported him for some other office, but now will not.

But, panic.........no.
5 posted on 09/28/2003 1:45:34 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................I report...THEY decide.....................)
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To: ambrose
If McClintock throws the race for Bustamante, then I will lose every ounce of respect that I have for him.
6 posted on 09/28/2003 1:48:28 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: ambrose
Kudos to you, Ambrose, for posting this interesting analysis.
7 posted on 09/28/2003 1:50:23 PM PDT by fqued (They spend spend spend, then tax tax tax; and where are the jobs? gone gone gone)
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To: EggsAckley
Any speculation that sees an election won before the fact is pure nonsense. The idea that McClintock might not throw the poll is just wishful thinking or worse yet propaganda. Anyone who thinks the democrat backup candidate will only draw 25% of the vote is seriously dilusional.
8 posted on 09/28/2003 1:51:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: ambrose
Governor Grey is road kill!

It's fun to watch the Democrat hierarchy come out here to attempt to salvage him!

I love it.
9 posted on 09/28/2003 1:51:54 PM PDT by ==Oink==
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To: ambrose
If Arnold wins, do we get to hear him say, "Hasa la vista Davis?" These would be precious words.
10 posted on 09/28/2003 1:58:48 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: DoughtyOne
Thank you. And people who will not forgive Mclintock IF he ruins the election are wrong. He doesn't know what's going to happen and the risk he is taking is unforgiveable. And Rush Limbaugh is practically telling people to vote Mclintock even if it gives Bustamante the election. I have little use for either of them after this.
11 posted on 09/28/2003 1:59:12 PM PDT by Williams
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To: DoughtyOne
This may sound silly and paranoid, but I'm still nervous about the illegal alien vote here in CA. You know that the illegals are going to vote for their champion Cruz-- "Let's-retake-CA-and-turn-it-into-Azatlan--Bustamante. There are way more absentee voters forms turned in than is normal this time around. And I'm not very optimistic that a recount will happen if the vote is close, let alone a challenge to decipher if every CA voter is legit.

Must be election jitters.
12 posted on 09/28/2003 2:00:01 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: ambrose
Little green apples... each one is different...... and so is each vanity posted on FR.....

To think that Bustamante is going to finish 3rd is counting the apples before they are picked, washed and graded.... There is much water to run under the bridge before this election is put to bed late on Oct. 7. Witness a minor thing such as a multi year old DUI ticket against President Bush......

Complacency, some 3+ million dollars worth of Indian Tribe money ads for Bustamante and 'tock, get out the vote efforts, Davis Recall groups, Democrat machines, etc. and one wants to call the election over and 'tock finishing 2nd...... It's laughable at best and not very responsible.

My guess the author was correct in not posting it as a vanity, but that's JMO.
13 posted on 09/28/2003 2:11:05 PM PDT by deport
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To: ambrose
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14 posted on 09/28/2003 2:20:16 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: ambrose; dpwiener
"The surprise, last-minute election news frenzy may turn out out to be the question of whether Tom McClintock beats out Cruz Bustamante for second place."

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Wishful thinking and totally erroneous, destructive logic. The ONLY thing McClintock voters can do is elect Bustamante.

Only those wanting a Bustamante win would encourage McClintock voters further in their delusion, that it's "safe" to vote for McClintock and it wouldn't jeopardize an Arnold win.

Since most absenteed tend to be conservative, there may already be enough of them to hand the victory to Bustamante. There is nothing anyone can do about that, but those who didn't vote yet, better think really hard about their vote, because a vote for McClintock is STILL a vote for Bustamante.


15 posted on 09/28/2003 2:21:37 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: demnomo
but I'm still nervous about the illegal alien vote here in CA. You know that the illegals are going to vote for their champion Cruz-- "Let's-retake-CA-and-turn-it-into-Azatlan--Bustamante

So am I, but keep in mind that the illegals will get their licenses whether or not Boost-yer-taxes wins; you might be assuming a fervency that doesn't exist. And second, illegals might, as a group, be just as apathetic to vote as everyone else.

16 posted on 09/28/2003 2:22:26 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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Looks like you and dpwiener are working hard to hand the election over to Bustamante.
17 posted on 09/28/2003 2:23:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: ambrose
And Tom McClintock is the new conservative hero.

His carriage turns into a pumpkin on the 7th.

18 posted on 09/28/2003 2:23:25 PM PDT by Snerfling
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To: EggsAckley
What upsets me is to see a perfectly valid Republican (McC) literally throw away any chance of a career in politics the way he is.

I very much doubt that Tom has thrown his career away. Even in the worst-case scenario, in which Bustamante wins and Tom gets the political blame for it, Tom would probably still win re-election to his State Senate seat next year. I'm in Tom's district, and I am very familiar with the politics of this area. Tom would face a tough Republican primary challenge, but the odds still favor him. After all, he beat his previous Republican challenger (County Supervisor Judy Mikels, who was supported by outgoing State Senator Cathie Wright) by FIFTY percentage points in the 2000 primary. Tom would have money and volunteers from all over California (and all over the nation).

Remember how the unions promised to destroy the career of any prominent Democrat who placed his name on the ballot to replace Davis? Then Bustamante did it anyway. They were all pissed for a day, and then they accepted the inevitable. They lined up behind Bustamante and tried to spin it as a good thing.

The same would happen with Tom. The Republican leadership is applying all kinds of pressure and issuing all kinds of threats to try to force Tom out. It isn't working. After this election, no matter what happens, they will accept the inevitable and (at least on the surface) effect a reconciliation. Tom represents too many Republican voters that other Republicans don't want to write off or tick off too badly.

After Tom wins his primary for State Senator, he'll again be a strong favorite in the general election. It might be closer than usual, but this district is gerrymandered to be a Republican lock.

In 2008, when Tom is term-limited out of the State Senate, he might at that point have no further political career (if he has cost Arnold the recall election). But how is that different than now? He has tried twice for State Controller and lost twice. Prior to this recall election, his odds of winning a third time were not good, especially against a multi-millionaire incumbent in 2006.

On the other hand, if Bustamante loses the recall, there will be no blame or blowback for Tom. Indeed, Arnold will have earned the job instead of having it handed to him by all the other Republicans who were browbeaten into pulling out. Tom will have enormous state-wide name recognition, a huge volunteer and donor list, a solid reputation as a principled conservative who does not bend to pressure or sell out his ideals, and he'll be well-positioned to beat State Controller Westly in 2006.

All politics involves some risk, but Tom understands those risks and stands ready to reap huge rewards even if he does not win the governorship this year.

19 posted on 09/28/2003 3:30:20 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: dpwiener
On the other hand, if Bustamante loses the recall, there will be no blame or blowback for Tom

I'm not so sure about this. My feelings about Tom right now are that I would NEVER support him, win, lose or draw.

But thanks for a really great and succinct post. You make a lot of sense.

20 posted on 09/28/2003 3:38:41 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................I report...THEY decide.....................)
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