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Credit given in class not taken (Bustamante self-destruct alert)
Fresno Bee ^ | 09/28/03 | Doug Hoagland

Posted on 09/28/2003 9:10:46 PM PDT by socal_parrot

Edited on 04/12/2004 2:10:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante got credit but did not have to attend a basic speech class at Fresno State in the late 1990s because a professor decided in 15 minutes or less that the Fresno Democrat would have earned at least a C based on his public utterances.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamante; bustamecha; cruz; dimbulb; gradefixing; highereducation; nonsharptool; recall
It keeps getting better...
1 posted on 09/28/2003 9:10:47 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: DoctorZIn
Ping
2 posted on 09/28/2003 9:11:47 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Rosebud)
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To: socal_parrot


Echeverria acknowledged that some people still are going to be skeptical: "Some are going to argue that he received special treatment because he didn't actually attend those classes."

Well, yeah.


3 posted on 09/28/2003 9:14:24 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
I believe the correct response to Echeerria's statement would be a "Like, DUH!"
4 posted on 09/28/2003 9:16:19 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: socal_parrot
How much would I have to pay Fresno State to award me a PhD based on real world experience?
5 posted on 09/28/2003 9:17:10 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: Sabertooth
Outlandish! This treatment was usually reserved to Jerry Tarkanian's hoops players.
6 posted on 09/28/2003 9:20:10 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Rosebud)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
How much would I have to pay Fresno State to award me a PhD based on real world experience?

You know, I had to give a speech about the Designated Hitter Rule in Speech 100 and got a B. I gave a lot more interesting talks to friends in bars on other subjects and got no credit. What a rip-off.

7 posted on 09/28/2003 9:23:58 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Rosebud)
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To: All
"Speech" as a requirement in the California University System has nothing to do with making speeches.

It is an oral communication requirement and is part of the "Golden four" along with mathematical reasoning, Logic and English composition. These four classes are cornerstone.

Looks like the cruzer pulled a fast one!
8 posted on 09/28/2003 9:24:18 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: socal_parrot
Again, third place finish for Cruz.
9 posted on 09/28/2003 9:25:52 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: socal_parrot; MeeknMing
Bustamante deserves a Lena Guerrero award!
10 posted on 09/28/2003 9:26:41 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Sabertooth
Even though I dislike Bustamante, this is a non-issue. He clepped a class. Fine. Happens all of the time. The man can speak well, after all.

...So give "credit" where it is due (even if it would be nice to bust his chops on this one).

11 posted on 09/28/2003 9:30:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: socal_parrot
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12 posted on 09/28/2003 9:34:22 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: socal_parrot
He must have meant those great speeches he gave to African American organizations in honor of Black History.
13 posted on 09/28/2003 9:40:30 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws -- smile!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Boy this is big league stuff. Now here is what I figure. Bustamante should be recalled for this major infraction of skipping a class. Then spread-eagled on an anthill in the desert. Now compare this to Arnold. He is a man of values. He posed full frontal nude for the "artist" Mapplethorpe, who became famous for immersing crucifixes into glasses of urine. Now that is the kind of class that Bustamante should take and the class he should have. Damn tooting. Now go find out if McClintock skipped a class. That will be some kind of major stuff. It's sure a good thing that Arnold's campaign doesn't stoop to the level of Davis and find nitpicky stuff about his competitors to expose as breaking news the last week of the campaign.
--Raoul
14 posted on 09/28/2003 9:42:14 PM PDT by RDangerfield
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To: Southack
Southack said: "Even though I dislike Bustamante, this is a non-issue."

I agree. Bustamante's situation is probably most likely to allow such treatment for this particular class.

It's not too dissimilar to the exemption that veterans get from handgun licensing requirements. Of course, Davis has now removed that exemption, I believe.

So, we can presume that the Lieutenant Governor knows how to give speeches but we can't presume that veterans can safely handle firearms.

Gee...Maybe the university should make him prove his competency simply because it has the power to do so.

15 posted on 09/28/2003 9:45:24 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: RDangerfield
Mapplethorpe, who became famous for immersing crucifixes into glasses of urine.

That was someone else.

Mapplethorpe is famous for the self-portrait photo of a whip inserted in his anus. Get your deviant "artists" straight.

16 posted on 09/28/2003 9:45:36 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: socal_parrot
Well you know, he really speaks very nicely, I think I would have passed him too. Very good voice, good timber, but that is just God's gift. But also, good sytax (that's not right, good spelling too since he's not me, maybe), good delivery.

Cruz's problem is not that he doesn't speak well, it's what he says.
17 posted on 09/28/2003 9:59:31 PM PDT by jocon307 (Apologies McClintock supporters.)
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To: Spiff
I thought he did both of those works of art filth.
18 posted on 09/28/2003 10:09:25 PM PDT by kayak (I support Billybob - www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
I got my MS in Mechanical Engineering from Cal State Fresno in 89. I took courses from the local extension. One course I was able to take in abstentia. Rather than write a Thesis, we had a comprehensive exam.
19 posted on 09/28/2003 10:12:24 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy, or is it monotony?)
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To: kayak
I just Googled it. The filth-monger in question was Andre Serrano.
20 posted on 09/28/2003 10:17:19 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Spiff
Thanks for the info .... I think. That's probably once bit of trivia I really wish I hadn't learned.
21 posted on 09/28/2003 10:23:42 PM PDT by kayak (I support Billybob - www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: socal_parrot
I had to give a speech about the Designated Hitter Rule in Speech 100

Is that a great topic or what? I did a paper in English 101 on that (about 15 years ago). Got an A out of that one, which wa a rarity for me.

22 posted on 09/28/2003 10:42:44 PM PDT by Gil4
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To: Gil4
wa was

Any questions on why that "A" was such a rarity? (I though not.)

23 posted on 09/28/2003 10:47:08 PM PDT by Gil4
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To: socal_parrot
Tagline change
24 posted on 09/28/2003 11:07:23 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES | Prop 54: YES | Recall: YES | Governor: Arnie? Tom?)
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To: RDangerfield
"Boy this is big league stuff. Now here is what I figure. Bustamante should be recalled for this major infraction of skipping a class. Then spread-eagled on an anthill in the desert."

Hm! Seems a little drastic. Uh, but...Hey, there's nothing else going on this weekend. What the hell, let's go for it!
25 posted on 09/28/2003 11:21:10 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: Southack
He clepped a class. Fine. Happens all of the time.

"As lieutenant governor, a position he has held since January 1999, Bustamante is a member of the CSU board of trustees, which sets policy and makes budget decisions for Fresno State and 22 other state universities. As speaker of the Assembly, he also was a CSU trustee. Bustamante was speaker from December 1996 to February 1998. The lieutenant governor and speaker of the Assembly also serve on the Board of Regents for the University of California."

Sorta makes a hypocrite out of someone who claims to be "a die hard fan of the rule of law"

The man can speak well, after all....LOL

"the Fresno Democrat would have earned at least a C based on his public utterances."

26 posted on 09/28/2003 11:39:48 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
"Sorta makes a hypocrite out of someone who claims to be "a die hard fan of the rule of law"

How's that? What specific law was broken?

27 posted on 09/28/2003 11:42:06 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I agree, I put together a six page letter describing various life and job experiences to get out of taking a technical communications class. Getting a meaningless degree from a tiny college means zero in comparison to wanting to transfer all of the Golden State to Mexico.
28 posted on 09/28/2003 11:50:51 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: Southack
How's that? What specific law was broken?

Sorry, I didn't know you were lovers.

Impropriety, quid pro quo. Unethical conduct by an influential state elected representative, CSU, UC Regent receiving special treatment, ...to name a few.

29 posted on 09/29/2003 12:01:14 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
You'd call clepping classes "receiving special treatment"?

Freshmen, transfer students, and older students clep class credits every day in every university. It's not special. It's common. Your prior courses and life experiences can frequently get you credit for knowing the core of a classes curiculum.

I don't even like Bustamante. I'm just pointing out, to be fair, that this "scandal" is a non-issue.

30 posted on 09/29/2003 12:06:17 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Clepping requires an exam is my understanding.

Yes, courses can be waived. I had a basic English course waived by taking all my upper division classes first. BUT the chair who waived me through had me in multiple classes and graded probably 20 papers from me: he knew my writing.

The professor cannot remember details or speeches Bustamonte made. As a politician and directly involved with the CSU regents, it doesn't really pass the stink test. His high profile had the school neding over backwardsto accomodate his graduation.

31 posted on 09/29/2003 1:37:01 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Paleo Conservative
Ah ! I wasn't sure of the significance of that until I found a Texas Monthly (free subscription required) article on her via a Google Search for Lena Guerrero ...

Excerpt:

But in 1992 the Dallas Morning News reported that she had claimed a degree she had never received from the University of Texas, and the clock struck midnight on her reign as Cinderella. Even in school, Lena had been short on time, though her affliction was too much ambition. Anxious to begin the political career that beckoned, she neglected her studies, failing several courses and ultimately abandoning school. She paid a heavy price for that impatience in November 1992, when Republican Barry Williamson defeated her for reelection by hammering her again and again over the falsified résumé. (Nearly ten years later, she's still paying—literally. Because the controversy forced her out of office early, she's two months shy of being eligible for the state retirement system's health insurance plan.)


32 posted on 09/29/2003 3:35:44 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: yall
Thinking of voting for McClintock instead of for Arnold ?? (post #544) ...

Cruz 'for me everything, for you, nada da** thing' Bustamante ...


Separated at birth ?? ...

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33 posted on 09/29/2003 3:40:38 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: socal_parrot
She said she doesn't believe he got special treatment because he is lieutenant governor. "That flies in the face -- that questions the integrity of the department."

Yes, it does, doesn't it?

34 posted on 09/29/2003 3:41:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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