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Texas band uses Nazi flag on Jewish new year (Now w/ Video Link)
Arizona Republic ^ | September 30, 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 09/30/2003 4:54:09 PM PDT by Recourse

Texas band uses Nazi flag on Jewish new year

Associated Press Sept. 30, 2003 07:29 AM

DALLAS - A Texas high school band leader is apologizing for his band's half-time performance on Rosh Hashana, the Jewish new year.

During a half-time show at a football game at a Dallas high school last Friday, a student from Paris High School went running across the field waving a Nazi flag.

At the time, the band was playing the composition that eventually became known as "Deutschland Uber Alles".

Band director Charles Grissom says it was part of a show entitled "Visions of World War II," in which the flags and music were intended to represent the warring nations.

Grissom says the musicians were booed and cursed, and had things thrown at them. He adds they have learned their lesson. The band's show will likely now include only the U.S. flag.

Grissom tells The Dallas Morning News it was "an error in judgment."

(Excerpt) Read more at azcentral.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: clueless; crackers; jewbaiting; nazis; oops; rednecks; roshhashana
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To: bluejay
Over lunch today we were talking about the California recall race. Arnold's stance came up, and someone said he had heard that Arnold was *really* right-wing, "like a Nazi". I couldn't believe my ears. Somehow the Democratic defamation machine is getting through.
41 posted on 09/30/2003 6:44:33 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: pdjplano; BrooklynGOP; Sir Gawain
Actually, it was probably all because of the FRENCH flag :-P
42 posted on 09/30/2003 8:24:32 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (Screw Fark and their socialist asses)
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To: Island Girl

IMHO it's Mel Brooks greatest flick along with "Blazing Saddles"

43 posted on 09/30/2003 8:34:56 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Be alert. America needs more lerts.)
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To: sinkspur; BrooklynGOP
I dunno about this one. I mean, the announcer clearly stated that it was strictly an accurate depiction, and it did not mean that the band condoned any of the parties actions... whathaveyou...

I mean, seriously, it is just entertainment. Should jews get mad when there is a nazi flag in a movie about WWII? I mean, excuse the hell out of the band director for being accurate.
44 posted on 09/30/2003 8:35:04 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (Screw Fark and their socialist asses)
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To: Texaggie79
I mean, excuse the hell out of the band director for being accurate.

Well, let's just do a commemoration of the Civil War and have some black folks walk across the football field in shackles.

The presentation was tasteless, and the band director said so, after everybody else said so.

45 posted on 09/30/2003 8:39:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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To: PAR35
Hillcrest High, not Highland Park.

Same zip code, same student body make-up.

46 posted on 09/30/2003 8:41:20 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
I don't recall "black folks in shackles" being a fighting side of the Civil War. In order to use your comparison, the band would have had to have people dressed as jews acting like they were being killed on the field....
47 posted on 09/30/2003 8:49:04 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (Screw Fark and their socialist asses)
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Nazi flag removed, apology issued

By Van Hilburn
The Paris News

Published September 30, 2003

Bad timing.

That’s what Paris High Blue Blazes Band Director Charles Grissom said of Friday’s controversial halftime performance at Hillcrest High School that left some residents in that Dallas community very upset.

A Nazi flag was waved as part of the performance honoring World War II veterans.

Because of the backlash, Grissom said only the American flag will be used in future shows.

Paris Independent School District Superintendent Paul Trull issued an apology to Dallas Independent School District Superintendent Mike Moses, who was at the game watching his son, Hillcrest starting center Mason Moses, play. Trull also apologized to anyone who may have been offended by the performance.

For the second consecutive week, the Blue Blazes Band performed “Visions of World War II”, a seven-minute show honoring war veterans, complete with flags from all countries involved.

The Nazi flag was part of that show and when it was shown, fans at Hillcrest, an old Jewish community in the Dallas area, were outraged.

A disclaimer describing the show was read prior to the band performing, but that apparently wasn’t enough, according to Grissom.

“We had kids being cursed and things thrown at them. They were taken back,” Grissom said.

Even Paris High School coaches returning to the pressbox after halftime meetings were cursed.

What upset the Hillcrest fans was the fact that Paris High brought the swastika flag of Nazi Germany into their Franklin Stadium during Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New’s Year’s Day and their day of remembrance.

“They didn’t understand that our intentions were quite honorable, that they were trying to do something nice. We never intended to cause this much confusion and distraught,” Grissom said.

A week earlier at Paris High’s homecoming game against Athens, the same show was performed, complete with two seven-second scenes in which the Nazi flag was prominently waved, this time by a black band member. Paris fans, however, applauded the show, which had to be performed after the game because halftime homecoming queen crowning ceremonies ran long.

The Nazi flag was shown for about seven seconds twice and was just one of the flags in the short performance. Others included flags from France, Japan, Great Britain and America.

“The show all along was intended to honor veterans of World War II. It was very patriotic in nature. Our intent was certainly honorable, but we made a mistake. We didn’t know that it was a Jewish holiday, and we didn’t intend on the negative reaction. It was just for historical purposes only and wasn’t created to offend anyone, only to honor the veterans of World War II.

“It wasn’t that we were condoning what happened during that war, but to be historically accurate, you have to include it,” Grissom said of his reasoning to include the Nazi flag.

The Paris band will also do the performance at the Oct. 15 University Interscholastic League contest, Grissom said.

“The program was a musical and symbolic interpretation that was intended to depict history. Unfortunately, a portion of this program was offensive to some members of the Hillcrest community. For this, we are deeply sorry and offer our most humble apology,” Trull said in a letter to Hillcrest principal Jonlyn Mitchell. “We strive to be sensitive to the feelings of others and are always willing to amend our actions when we fall short. To the Hillcrest High School student body and community, please accept our deepest apology.”

DISD spokesman Donald Claxton responded to the apology.

“We’ve accepted an apology from the superintendent at Paris, and he also offered one to our principal at Dallas Hillcrest High,” he said. “We know that they certainly weren’t trying to offend anyone.”

Mike Martin, athletic director and head football coach at Hillcrest, said he was surprised at the amount of publicity that the halftime show received.

“It’s been on the news, on the radio, on television. It’s been pretty much everywhere. I think it will slide and all will be fine because of the apologies. It was just kind of bad timing, especially with Friday being a Jewish holiday. It wasn’t thought out,” Martin said. “(The performance) wasn’t malicious, and I think people know that, but they have to stand up and say it was not good to do it on that day.”


48 posted on 09/30/2003 8:57:35 PM PDT by deport (Why does McClintock think he's entitled to the Governor's Office?)
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To: znix
The posturing, the claims to the higher moral ground, are to be expected and there is nothing we can do about it. It's like arguing wirth a bull that a red hankerchief should not really provoke him. If the bull could speak it would present the same set of predictable cliches and present them as some high intellectual principles.

To me a flag is nothing more than a sheet of fabric with some silly geometric shapes on it. I also find it easier to sympathize with the provocateurs than with the provoked, who typically prove themselves small and petty whatever their cause.

(Incidentally, I have known a good few real Holocaust survivors, the kind with tatooed numbers on their forearms and found them far more reasonable, philosophical, in these matters than the current crop of posturing American impostors. It all happened on another continent. Duh!)

49 posted on 09/30/2003 9:00:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: Recourse
The fools shouldn't have done it, should have expected the predictable and boring reaction, there are better, more original, more satisfying ways to provoke the stuffed suits, the sanctimonious and the humourless.
50 posted on 09/30/2003 9:10:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: Recourse
I clicked on this thread thinking it was about the Dixie Chicks.
51 posted on 09/30/2003 9:12:47 PM PDT by B Knotts (<== Just Another 'Right-Wing Crazy')
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To: Recourse
Very dumb.

Want to do something German....play Wagner and fly the modern flag.

Did they do Kibuki and tote a pic of Tojo for the Japanese segment.

52 posted on 09/30/2003 10:11:18 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: Recourse
What the heck is a banc doing honoring the enemy duing WW II anyway. At the different ceremonies that I have seen on Memorial Day and Veterans day, I have never seen the Japanese, Italian or German flags displayed or those countries ever acknowledged in a postive tilt.

This is the stupid tolerence crap that is being taught in our schools. Coming to school near you: The Taliban Tolernce hour. Ooops that is happening is some schools already.
53 posted on 09/30/2003 10:18:58 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: wardaddy
Notice that nobody objected to the Soviet flag, under which considerably more carnage occurred, both prior and subsequent to the Hitler administration.

Notice also the suggestion that only the flags of the allies be displayed. Odd how the USSR was left out of the list, even though it had been the PRIMARY European combatant and prime beneficiary of the post-war settlement.

I wonder why.

I'm sure it's not because the same people who regularly express their outrage in these matters were, and are, active supporters of Communism. No. It could never be. No one is that duplicitous and conniving.
54 posted on 09/30/2003 10:32:22 PM PDT by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Revolting cat!
Symbols, geometric and others, carry meaning - consider, for example burning of the American flag. In particular, the Swastika is as closely associated with Evil as possible. (Incidentally, it's not just the six million Jews. About 50 million people lost their lives in the Nazi cauldron.) Moreover, the Swastika is not a symbol of the past (or of a different continent). American neo-Nazis use it to this day. When Jewish landmarks are desecrated, the desecration is done with a Swastika.

This wasn't even an accurate historical context. I read that flags of US, GB, Japan, France, and Germany were displayed. They appear to have forgotten Italy and Soviet Union. To say nothing of Poland, Philippines, Greece, Yugoslavia, Australia, and South Africa. All these smaller nations (especially Greece) had much more influence on the eventual outcome then the French.

I don't actually believe that the organizers of the event realized what they were doing may be offensive. Unfortunately it's an expected product of our poor educational system (no Historical context) as well as declining morals (our inability to see Evil when we are faced with it). Sadly, the organizers of the event (as well as some on this site) still do not see that there is anything wrong with public displays of a Nazi Flag.
55 posted on 10/01/2003 12:32:37 PM PDT by bluejay
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To: Recourse
The design of marching band and Drum and Bugle Corps shows was hijacked in the late 1980's by the leftist art community. Marching bands used to play patriotic music, classical music, jazz, and pop. The shows were intended to entertain the average joe during halftime at football games.

Now these marching band shows all have "themes" that are intended to showcase the talent of the show designers more so than the talent of the individuals in the band. This is done primarily to compete with other bands during band festivals, competitions, etc.

The whole band activity has just become way too artsy.

56 posted on 10/01/2003 1:23:14 PM PDT by Adams
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To: sinkspur
Do you realize what you are acusing the school of doing? The goal of the performance was not to elevate Nazism to the moral equivalant of democracy. I know you know this. You are doing the same thing that liberals do that drive us all crazy, seeing things that are not there, waiting on the edge to cry foul.

That same evening, the history channel showed a documentry entitled Desert War. It was about Field Marshal Rommel. Was it inapproriate to air this show on Rashashana? Now that you know about it, are you offended?

Had it not been the Jewish New Year, would the performance have been less offensive?

I do not know where you studied logic, but I'll argue your point nonetheless. The evils of slavery are indeed present in our lives. We talk about them every day in this country. Turn on your TV, read your newspaper. Slavery is a enormous problem in the world today.

The flag is a symbol, nothing more. You do not defeat evil by destroying its symbols, you defeat evil by destroying evil. Burning the Nazi flag, like burning the American flag does nothing. Its a symbol, and thus your action can be nothing more than symbolic. In other words, useless.

57 posted on 10/01/2003 1:33:44 PM PDT by znix
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To: Recourse
1. I see nothing wrong with this show

2. I do question the intention of the band leader for doing such a thing on the Jewish holiday

3. I am Jewish.

4. Also, I would not see anything wrong with booing the Italian, Japanese, and Nazi flags. It just gets the audience into it.

5. I did not see any Swastika in the video.

58 posted on 10/07/2003 8:13:09 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
It's hard to see - it's the flag on the left side of the field at the 1:30 minute mark that goes up the field.
59 posted on 10/07/2003 8:30:38 PM PDT by Recourse
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To: Recourse
ok. I will try to see it.
60 posted on 10/07/2003 8:39:15 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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