Free State Project Picks New Hampshire

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[Jim Noble]

Y'all come...

[u-89]

Well NH will be the best for me but I have to admit that I had secret hopes for Idaho and after talking to you Wyomming became more and more appealing to me till now I am somewhat disappointed. I guess I'll have to increae my income so I can have a home out west as well as in the new Free State of NH.

[u-89]

Any idea how many freepers are FSP members or friends?

[ClearCase_guy]

I'm guessing this will turn out like Alec Baldwin's "threat" to move to France if Bush were elected. Sounds good! Sign me up! NH is a great choice!

... but, you know, my roots here in New Jersey are kinda deep, and I don't know if this is a good time to sell my house, and my wife is having second thoughts, and the kids will miss their friends, and ...

[u-89]

"The member survey shows that 53% of members plan to move within three years, not waiting for the 20,000-member benchmark. Early movers should help recruitment by building a record of success."

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I never signed on as a member because I could not guarantee I could make the move when the time came and I take pledges seriously. However the way things are going I will be making the move long before they reach the 20,000 member goal. Also I have friends that are plenty sick of the government of NJ (both parties) and the ever escalating costs of living here. They were looking to move and I have them pretty sold on this FSP idea. NH will be an easy move for them.

[MineralMan]

":-) Can we count on you joining us?"

I don't think so. I've been to NH; don't like the weather.

[2timothy3.16]

With these libitarian families moving to New Hapshire and the Christian men and families heeding the call in the first four thoughts here: http://www.christianpatriot.com/2003_thoughts.htm , the Northeast could become a right wing strong hold.

[u-89]

Do you know if NH permits the ownership of class 3 weapons?

[Jack Black]

"There's still an ongoing *Montana project* taking place on a much smaller scale. And something similar is under consideration for a three county-area of Texas, a beginning, at least. "

Can you post links for either of the above.

[IYAAYAS]

Yes, NH is class III friendly. However, contrary to popular belief, NH IS NOT a shall issue state. I've never heard of anyone being turned down for a CCW permit but it is a local decision.

For any future NH residents who are Harley Davidson enthusiasts, you'll have a lot of new friends in NH. Harley's in the summer, ski-mobiles in the winter.

[MineralMan]

"With these libitarian families moving to New Hapshire and the Christian men and families heeding the call in the first four thoughts here: http://www.christianpatriot.com/2003_thoughts.htm , the Northeast could become a right wing strong hold."

You might find that many libertarians do not share the same viewpoints you do. There could be more conflicts than agreements.

[Jack Black]

It is interesting. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th place finishers were Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. This is the problem with the voting method chosen. I run off would have been better, where the top few states run off. As it is I suspect that many more FSPers wanted to live in the intermountain west, but did not agree on which specific state. East Coasters rallied around the only plausible candidate state, so now we're moving to New Hampshire.

That's unfortunate. I do think the East is inherently way less free than the west. Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire. On the other hand due to crippling taxes and regulations it is probably true that East Coasters *NEED* a Free State more than Westerners do, where freedom continues to exist to some degree in many states, even nominally liberal ones like Oregon have CCW, strong first ammendment protections, etc. Washington and Wyoming have no state income tax.

The net result of the New Hampshire vote will be that the FSP will tend to become an "east coast" movement, with more new members coming from the socialist hell holes near by. In terms of the project goals this could be ideal. It means that, if successful, their will be this island of sanity surrounded by authoritariand socialist states (some of which will be in dire shape like New York and Cali are).

I think perhaps a unitended consequence of this is that Wyoming, by finishing second, becomes the unofficial Western Free State. And this could become official at any time if others pick up where the vote has left us off.

[eno_]

Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire.

There are thousands of acres of idle (and for-sale) paper company land in northern New Hampshire. It looks dinky compared to Wyoming, but there are still some very remote places. And if you run out of places in NH, Maine is still very very empty in the middle.

[Hank Kerchief]

That's unfortunate. I do think the East is inherently way less free than the west. Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire.

In most of NH, you do that in your back yard. You don't need to drive somewhere to do it.

As for driving, from anyplace in NH, you're never more than an hour or two from, mountains, lakes, shopping, or the ocean. What's chances we could drive to the ocean for a day at the beech and have dinner at a nice restaurant in the mountains, anywhere in Wyoming, Montana, or Idaho? everyplace has its advantages and disadvantages, still NH is definitely not for everyone. There is no place like that.

Hank

[eno_]

Wyoming, by finishing second, becomes the unofficial Western Free State

If New Hampshire hits critical mass because people like me who were unwilling to pledge in advance join the cause, it would be time to start a second Free State Project anyway.

[556x45]

Not so concerning the CCW. Unless theres a reason (felony record, court order, mental problem) they must issue the permit or give a written reason w/i 7 working days stating why it isnt. Some time ago Sandwich and another town or two was trying to force applicants to submit to finger printing. The law was sufficently vague as to the actual requirements. The law has since been rewritten.

[T Minus Four]

"...for a day at the beech and have dinner at a nice restaurant in the mountains..."

If you're not too insistent about your beach having an accompanying ocean, you can do that right here in Utah :-)

[Hank Kerchief]

Common bumper-sticker seen in NH:

WELCOME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE - NOW GO HOME

...just so you get the flava' of the place. And don't botha' askin' a native if they know something, like "do you know where the fair gounds are," or "can you tell me how to get to the L.L. Bean stoa, 'cause the ansah is always the same, "ay-ah," which means the same as "yup" anyplace else.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

...If you're not too insistent about your beach having an accompanying ocean ...

I'm sure it's lovely, but I'd miss my lobster and steamed clams.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

You might find that many libertarians do not share the same viewpoints you do. There could be more conflicts than agreements ...

There are always conflicts and different points of views. The difference is, libertarians do not believe in shoving their view down the throats of those who disagree them at the point of a government gun. In a libertarian state, you will not only be able to have and express you different point of view, but to live it as you choose.

Hank