On immigration (Good Read)

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/ ^ | October 4, 2003 | Richard D. Lamm

[FITZ]

And the other --- their only alternatives are PRI which ran the country into where it is after it help power for over 70 years --- and PAN which of course has the evil Fox who is trying to run them all out of the country and into the USA. His wife of 2 years plans to succeed him.

[Kenny Bunk]

It could very well be that we'll have to buy Vicente Fox.

Over the past months I have read over and over again that Mexico's illegal border bounders send back $9Billion from the US to Mexico. Classic case of going from a Mexican Standoff on the issue, to an arrangement for a mordida to start handling the problem on the Mexican side of the border. These endless stories of the money Mexico makes off its overseas working poor could be just the well-orchestrated beginnings of a deal.

This post says "70% of Americans object to illegal immigration" I don't believe it. I think 60% of Americans don't give a rat's patoot about it (or anything else, for that matter)and won't, until they lose their job. Or, what is more likely, they wake up enough to see their children's future harmed.

Even in California, swamped to the gunwales with Mexicans, illegal immigration isn't even on the radar in the biggest news story in the country, Schwarznegger vs. Davis. MeCHA-member Bustamante even has the goddammed gall to say that if "he gets all the immigrant vote" he'll win!

As far as the immigrant backlash factor goes, surely you have noticed that the average NASCAR-brained among our fellow citizens think all foreigners are (a) alike, and (b) are from something or somewhere like Mexico. The immigration issue is discussed among a minority group in America: the intelligent wing of the Republican Party. Unfortunately, on this issue that includes none of the party leadership.

[cyborg]

excellent post... I agree. Sad that no one in leadership gives a rat's behind.

[Kenny Bunk]

Good post, FITZ.

For the good of Mexico, I think we ought to end illegal immigration and start sending back our illegals. They have seen the promised land. Now let them go build their own.

If we can put more of our own poor bacl to work, maybe we can send the money we would have paid them in welfare to Mexico.

[DustyMoment]

Two points that this article seems to ignore:

1. Many of the illegals crossing the borders are better educated and are taking higher level jobs. They are buying large houses and driving expensive SUVs. Why, exactly, am I supposed to want these people in my country?

2. With an increasing number of high tech jobs being exported to India, many native Americans find themselves competing with illegals for jobs. If we don't stop the illegal immigration and begin reversing the trend, what will become of the golden dream that America represents if Americans can't get jobs?

[blaze]

Yeah, great read, Try getting someone besides Tom Tancredo, to do anything about it!

[Dan Evans]

Lamm has some funny ideas about health care. He thought CAT scanners were a waste of money and he said old and sick people had a duty to die.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=504

[spodefly]

BTTT

[getget]

Illegal Immigrants is the trojan horse of America

[getget]

human rights buddy http://www.unog.ch/news2/documents/newsfr/hr0362f.htm Truman and the United Nations http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/un/large/
How many refugees mandate by the United Nations does America take very year?

[getget]

a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a325b3f5d31.htm

[Ches]

BTTT

[Pelham]

ping

[sixmil]

4. We are told that illegal immigration is "cheap labor," but it is not "cheap labor," it is subsidized labor. The National Academy of Sciences has found that there is a significant fiscal drain on U.S. taxpayers for each adult immigrant without a high school education. Illegal immigration is something that benefits a few employers, but the rest of us subsidize that labor through the school system, the health-care system, the courts and in other ways that this form of labor imposes. With school spending of more than $7,000 per student per year, even a small family costs far more than a low-wage family pays in taxes.

Important point. The free-trade/borders crowd like to tell us that reasonable tariffs are a subsidy, but the real subsidy is the US taxpayer subsidizing cheap labor for the open borders/trade crowd.

[philetus]

It looks more like our pols are the trojan horse.

[philetus]

I don't believe the future for the U.S. that the American people want is the same future the politicions are working for.

[nosofar]

1. We are a nation built on law. It almost sounds old-fashioned in contemporary America to ask that people obey the law. But when we start deciding which laws to obey and which to ignore, we start down a dangerous path. There are millions of potential immigrants patiently waiting in their home countries to immigrate here, playing by our rules. Illegal immigrants "jump the line."

My wife waited over a year to get here because I was naive and stupid enough to bother obeying the immigration laws.

[nosofar]

Massive immigration is only helping the elites of Mexico hang on to the corrupt system they have in place, it's delaying the inevitable ----- they must change. Mexico is unraveling very fast.

Try replacing "Mexico" with "the U.S.". It's a little extreme, but the idea is still valid.

[nosofar]

Lopez Obrador is of the PRD party ---- those are the anti-NAFTA pro-campesino people. I'm not sure if he's good or bad.

I have no problem with being anti-NAFTA. What is 'campesino'?