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To: gridlock
First of all, I think "misperceptions" can also simply be made by the technic of asking and by putting such questions into a certain context. So those things should have also been mentioned at the report,at least as a foot-note. and 25 percent believed that world public opinion favored Washington's going to war with Iraq. That really depends on how you define world public opinion, doesn't it. The consensus of European politicians and Third-World tyrants was against the war, but does that mean that "world public opinion" was against the war? I am aware of no data on this point. Polls do show that Iraqi public opinion was and is in favor of the war. Isn't that more relevant? Hmm, I'm from Denmark and here in Europe in all countries (only except Poland, I think) the vast majority of the population was AGAINST the war, on February 15. more than 11 Million people were marching on the streets in peaceful protest, something that hasn't been fully covered by most american news channels, just see here for some reports: http://peacenowar.net/Iraq/News/Feb%2015%2003--News.htm (Barcelona/Spain alone had between 1 and 2 Millions demonstrants!) Those were by far the largest protests the world has seen on a single day so far, even the Vietnam-protests looked neat compared with this wordlwide movement. About the Iraqis: do you have any sources about this poll,who did make it and who has paid for it? I've heard of two polls before and after the war, and they were very varying from each other, but I don't have any links about his anymore :o|
25 posted on 10/06/2003 2:44:47 PM PDT by leather_strap
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To: leather_strap
So large numbers of leftist Euros marched against the war. So what? If Denmark decides to do something against another country, and I organize a protest getting millions to march against your actions, does the simple fact of my organizing the march prove the rightness or wrongness of what your country does? Let me inform you that America can't afford to put the hurt feelings of millions of heads-in-the-ground Euro lefties into its foreign policy decisions. I personally wouldn't care if the entire population of Europe protested the war. And neither do most Americans except for the leftist media elites and the fascist-loving, commie-bootlicking, ignoramuses who inhabit Hollyweird.
32 posted on 10/06/2003 4:42:43 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: leather_strap
I now understand your inability to grasp the true subtance of what the USA thinks of the world regarding the "question" of the war, since you are from Denmark.
You consider it was somehow subject to debate, and an example of the damage a warmongering vs peaceloving POTUS can do to the fabric of world events.
I, OTOH, am a typical, normal USA citizen and barely forgave our POTUS for not instantly nuking Saudi Arabia, Iraq,France and about ten other countries long known to be trouble making haters of human freedom and spawners of international terrorism.
In a show of almost superhuman restraint and leadership,the USA, led by President Bush, nobody has been nuked... yet.
You might rejoice that it was not put to a popular opinion polls vote on 9/12/01, 2002, or 2003.
You seem to get your opinions on the pulse of the USA from the NYT and the LATimes and other fiction based liberal media pablum.Dont feel bad.The world is just as ignorant of what the "USA Street" is saying and thinking.
March in useless parades all you like, and feel happy with your innefectual and shallow display of government approved communal "freedom".
I bought new ammo,honed my weapons, and prepared myself for the long road to regain peace in our time, for the sake of my childs generation.
The question clearly sent to the rest of the world was, are you with USA or against USA?
Choose your answer wisely, and a simple yes or no, is the extent of your choices now.No maybee, under these conditions, etc.
Yes_
No _
How hard can such a decision be to make?
Oh I forgot! Time is actually up, and your government already voted.Do you know which side you are on in this war?


33 posted on 10/06/2003 4:59:10 PM PDT by sarasmom (Pray for Terri Schiavo..Sentenced to be executed by starvation to begin on 10/15/03)
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To: leather_strap
Hmm, I'm from Denmark and here in Europe in all countries (only except Poland, I think) the vast majority of the population was AGAINST the war, on February 15. more than 11 Million people were marching on the streets in peaceful protest, something that hasn't been fully covered by most american news channels, just see here for some reports

Worldwide opinion and European opinion are different things. Europe no longer defines World Opinion. There may be 11 Million Danes who think the war was a bad idea, but there are about a Billion Indians who had no problem with it at all, and 1.5 Billion Chinese who couldn't find Iraq on a map, if they were ever allowed to see one.

I will stipulate to the fact that lefty European protesters were against the war. The question is, why should anybody care what they think?

The vast majority of Americans supported the war. The vast majority of Iraqis supported the war. What else do you need to know?

43 posted on 10/07/2003 6:02:01 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: leather_strap; gridlock
more than 11 Million people were marching on the streets in peaceful protest, something that hasn't been fully covered by most american news channels, just see here for some reports: http://peacenowar.net/Iraq/News/Feb%2015%2003--News.htm

History tells us that hundreds of thousands of Germans turned out peacefully and enthusiastically for the Nuremberg Rallies in the 1930s. Are you arguing that if a large number of people turn out peacefully, that makes "the cause", whatever it is that day, right?

Or are you arguing that "the information gatekeepers" will determine for us all after the fact which causes are to be vilified, and which causes are to be sanctified? You know - like the Clinton/Schwarzenegger thing: "the information gatekeepers" have determined that with Clinton, it was just about consensual sex & his private life, whereas with Schwarzenegger it has been determined that it was and is about serial sexual harassment & demeaning of women.

I so love it when "the information gatekeepers" volunteer to do my thinking for me - that way I can get back to the ball game & my beer. ;-)

45 posted on 10/07/2003 7:09:34 AM PDT by an amused spectator
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