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Maine: Would smoke-free casino succeed?
MAINETODAY.com ^ | 10-10-03 | CLARKE CANFIELD

Posted on 10/10/2003 2:26:45 PM PDT by SheLion

If you want to gamble in Maine, leave your smokes at the door.

A new state law that goes into effect Jan. 1 will mandate that a proposed $650 million casino, like virtually all buildings open to the public, be smoke-free, unlike most other casinos.

Some say a total smoking ban would hurt business and generate less revenue for the state. Others maintain that consumers are demanding more nonsmoking facilities and that smokers are conditioned  (??!!) to stepping outside to light up.

Erin Lehane, spokeswoman for Think About It, which is backing the ballot proposal to create the casino in Sanford, said many Maine restaurateurs predicted business would suffer when smoking was banned in restaurants in 1999.

"It hasn't crushed the . . . restaurant industry in this state, regardless of what everyone said it would do," she said. "It's what's happening nationwide."

But John Michael of Auburn, a former state legislator who is leading a petition drive to overturn the state's new smoking law, said a nonsmoking casino in Maine is destined to fail.

"If we pass this one, Massachusetts and New Hampshire will open smoking casinos and the only people in the Maine casino will be Maine people losing their paychecks," he said.

Voters will decide Nov. 4 whether to allow the Penobscot and Passamaquoddy Indian tribes to build the casino and resort.

Michael said his campaign will be at the polls on Election Day collecting signatures to force a referendum to overturn the new smoking law. If his group, the Maine Freedom Coalition, collects at least 50,519 voter signatures by Feb. 2, the question will be on the November 2004 ballot.

As for a casino, some say a gambling hall without smoking is like a movie theater without popcorn.

Surveys show 35 percent to 40 percent of casino customers smoke, compared with roughly 20 percent of the general population, said Wayne Mehl, a consultant with the American Gaming Association.

At one time, a "nonsmoking" section at a casino consisted of a single nonsmoking seat at a blackjack table where others could smoke, he noted.

Still, casinos in recent years have made strides to accommodate nonsmokers. In the early 1990s, two Nevada casinos - one in Las Vegas, one in Reno - went smoke-free, Mehl said. But when revenues fell by 25 percent or more, they quickly retreated from the policy and smoking resumed.

Virtually all large casinos nowadays have nonsmoking areas and elaborate ventilation systems, Mehl said. "In a new place like Bellagio (in Las Vegas), you can sit down in a main casino room and you would have to work hard to find a whiff of smoke," he said.

The only nonsmoking U.S. casino is thought to be the Indian-owned Taos Mountain Casino in Taos, N.M., with 240 slot machines and four gaming tables. General manager Robert Pokorney said the casino has been smoke-free since it opened seven years ago and uses that fact as a marketing tool.

"We think that rather than hinder business, the smoking ban helps business," Pokorney said.

In Delaware, though, a smoking ban that went into effect last November appears to be hurting the state's three "racinos," or horse tracks with slot machines. Delaware Lottery officials say proceeds from the machines through the first week of October this year are down 13 percent from a year earlier.

Delaware officials say the decline is due partly to the smoking ban, but they also blame poor economic conditions and poor weather last winter and again in late summer.

Lehane said there are no plans to seek an exemption to the state's nonsmoking law if voters approve a casino. And if the smoking ban is lifted, the tribes will decide at that time whether to allow smoking at the resort, she said.

For now, at least, Lehane says she doesn't think being smoke-free will hurt business at a casino.

But others say that's a fallacy.

"I wouldn't say they couldn't succeed, but I think they'll be at a disadvantage," Mehl said. "If you make a total ban on smoking, there are no options and people will go someplace else. And that's bad business."




TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; casinos; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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The nannys working to make everything smoke free are dreaming. And lying through their teeth about no smoking will not hurt business. Do they not follow the news around the United States? Well, "I" do!

Smoking Bans Bad For Business's


1 posted on 10/10/2003 2:26:46 PM PDT by SheLion
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2 posted on 10/10/2003 2:27:13 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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3 posted on 10/10/2003 2:29:18 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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4 posted on 10/10/2003 2:30:37 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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5 posted on 10/10/2003 2:32:27 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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Something the Maine Lawmakers do NOT want us to see!


6 posted on 10/10/2003 2:35:02 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
one word: NO
7 posted on 10/10/2003 2:35:03 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................all my pings are belong to ......YOU.....................)
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To: SheLion
Sheesh
8 posted on 10/10/2003 2:36:25 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I have over 41 years experience, at acting 8 years old. That will be 42 years in Jan 04.)
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Sheesh

I have a BETTER word for it, but I can't put it in print!

9 posted on 10/10/2003 2:38:54 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: EggsAckley
one word: NO

They still think they have sheeple out here!

10 posted on 10/10/2003 2:39:35 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
"Maine: Would smoke-free casino succeed?"

I have serious doubts that such a casino would be a success. I'm a non-smoker but most of these places are so well ventilated that it doesn't really bother me.

The problem that I see here is that if this is forced upon the casino by the government and the casino subsequently fails, the government will never admit that their actions ended up causing the failure.

11 posted on 10/10/2003 2:44:02 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: davisfh
I have serious doubts that such a casino would be a success. I'm a non-smoker but most of these places are so well ventilated that it doesn't really bother me.

Thank you!! Exactly!!!

The problem that I see here is that if this is forced upon the casino by the government and the casino subsequently fails, the government will never admit that their actions ended up causing the failure.

Like I said: the Maine Government continually rubs our noses into the stink THEY make!

12 posted on 10/10/2003 2:46:01 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Me too.
13 posted on 10/10/2003 2:46:04 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I have over 41 years experience, at acting 8 years old. That will be 42 years in Jan 04.)
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To: Flurry
Me too.

It's true. I think I can count on the fingers of both my hands of the really good and true lawmakers in Maine. And I wouldn't be using EVERY finger. Sad. REALLY sad!

I wish MAINE had a RECALL!

14 posted on 10/10/2003 2:48:30 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
"In the early 1990s, two Nevada casinos - one in Las Vegas, one in Reno - went smoke-free, Mehl said. But when revenues fell by 25 percent or more, they quickly retreated from the policy and smoking resumed."

The one in Vegas referred to is probably the Silver City Casino on the Strip. It's been closed and boarded up for years. Yep, it worked real well.

15 posted on 10/10/2003 2:50:41 PM PDT by Commiewatcher
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But when revenues fell by 25 percent or more, they quickly retreated from the policy and smoking resumed.

My, such high principles. </SARCASM>

16 posted on 10/10/2003 2:50:50 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: SheLion
Elections come up.
17 posted on 10/10/2003 2:54:34 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I have over 41 years experience, at acting 8 years old. That will be 42 years in Jan 04.)
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To: SheLion
In Delaware, though, a smoking ban that went into effect last November appears to be hurting the state's three "racinos," or horse tracks with slot machines. Delaware Lottery officials say proceeds from the machines through the first week of October this year are down 13 percent from a year earlier.

But what these officials (who were apponted by the smoking ban proponent governor fail to mention is that prior to the smoking ban in November the 'racinos' had been experiencing an 11% increas in revenue from the preceeding year. This 13% decline they cite ignores that little factoid. in essence revenue is down at least 24%. which is also what bar and restaurant revenues are down by as well.

Delaware officials say the decline is due partly to the smoking ban, but they also blame poor economic conditions and poor weather last winter and again in late summer.

Delaware officials lie. There was only one week of really bad weather last winter. As to bad summer weather, people seek indoor activities when the weather is bad. And they did - just not in Delaware, except in exempt locales. Bar and restaurant revenue increased this summer for the beach areas in Maryland, and skyrocketed at the Elks and Moose Lodges, VFW posts and American Legion halls throughout Delaware (they are exempt from the ban)

18 posted on 10/10/2003 2:57:01 PM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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Just a point. The smoke free rooms at the Mohegan Sun casino here in Connecticut are filled.
19 posted on 10/10/2003 4:14:57 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: SheLion
Unless they allow for a smoke free and a smoking casino, they will hurt financially, for them to claim it wouldn't it's a lie.
20 posted on 10/10/2003 4:19:29 PM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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