Cardinal George backs traditional liturgy

Catholic World News ^ | October 14, 2003 | CWNews.com

[ELS]

Versailles, Oct. 14 (CWNews.com)

Cardinal Francis George of Chicago has given his clear support for the use of the Tridentine-rite liturgy.

In a preface written for a collection produced by the International Committee for Liturgical Studies (CIEL), Cardinal George has referred to the Missal of St. Pius V as "a precious source of liturgical understanding for all other rites," and said that the pre-conciliar liturgy should be "better accepted." The work by CIEL, a Versailles-based organization faithful to the traditional liturgy, was published in France.

Several months after Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos celebrated a Tridentine-rite Mass at the Roman basilica of St. Mary Major, Cardinal George said that the Church has reached "a moment of considerable importance" for the future of the traditional liturgy and thus for CIEL. He pointed out that Pope John Paul II has repeatedly mentioned the beauty and depth of the traditional Mass.

A broader use of the old liturgy, the Chicago archbishop continued, should be more than a "nostalgic revival." The authorized use of the Tridentine rite, he explained, should be encouraged because the old liturgy "belongs to the entire Church" as part of the patrimony of the faith.

The American prelate made reference in his preface to a forthcoming Vatican document on liturgical norms, which is expected to appear sometime late this year or early in 2004. (A draft version of the document, which sets out clear norms for the proper celebration of the Eucharistic liturgy, was rejected by the Roman Curia, apparently because it was judged too strict; a corrected draft is expected soon.) Cardinal George said that the new norms should help to foster greater devotion to the Eucharist. He expressed the hope that "we are at the dawn of a truly fruitful renewal for the liturgy of the Catholic Church."

In his preface, Cardinal George indicates his support for those Catholics who are attached to the traditional liturgy. He also appeals to the Catholics who have become separated from the Holy See since the Lefebvrite schism of 1988. Relations between the different branches of the traditionalist movement are generally more cordial in the US than in Europe, where tensions are more pronounced. Cardinal Jorge Medina Estevez, the former prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, has also expressed his support for the work of CIEL in promoting the traditional liturgy. On November 22, the Chilean prelate will celebrate Mass using the Missal of St. Pius V in St. Cecilia's parish in Rome, as part of a commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the motu propriu Tra le Sollecitudini, a work by St. Pius X devoted to sacred music.

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[ELS]

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[ELS]

Hmmm...

[Loyalist]

Cardinal George?

[narses]

By George, I think he's got it!

[BlessedBeGod]

There are only a small handful of parishes in Chicago that have the Latin mass. If he's so supportive of it, why aren't there more?

[sinkspur]

There are only a small handful of parishes in Chicago that have the Latin mass. If he's so supportive of it, why aren't there more?

Because the number of Catholics who desire to worship at the Tridentine Rite is infinitesimally small.

If the demand was there, George would honor it, obviously.

Most Catholics are perfectly happy with the Novus Ordo. I know that bothers a lot of people on this forum, but it's the truth.

[Dajjal]

Say's Law: Supply creates demand.

[nickcarraway]

BUMP

[nickcarraway]

ping

[BlackElk]

You may repeat it infinitely often but that won't make it true. The Catholics are coming back and are not amused.

Soon enough, the do-it-yourself Mass will be ended and even the Novus Ordo will have to be reverent.

[BlackElk]

Decades of wreckovation by Bernardin? Chicago was not wreckovated in a day! Patience!

[Desdemona]

Because the number of Catholics who desire to worship at the Tridentine Rite is infinitesimally small.

Or possibly could it be that the Tridentine has been so suppressed that people don't know that it is permitted.

Or maybe those who would like to worship at a Tridentine Mass are afraid to ask about it, remembering how they were attacked when they objected to the change the first time.

[BlessedBeGod]

You're wrong, Sinky. There are plenty who'd love it.

[sydney smith]

If "most" Catholics are OK with the novus ordo Mass why do "most" Catholics not go to Mass?

[american colleen]

Or possibly could it be that the Tridentine has been so suppressed that people don't know that it is permitted.

That's what it is, I am convinced. When I mention to people that I occationally attend the Latin Mass in our one Indult parish, every one of them has expressed surprise and said that they had no idea the Latin Mass was still said anywhere. ALL of them have expressed an interest in attending but do not because it is too far away and in a dodgy section of Boston.

Of course the parish priests know about it but I have never heard them mention it - although my own parish priest degrades the use of Latin ("a language no one understands") and the use of Ad Orientem ("the priests' back towards the people").

With the excellent Latin on one page and English on the facing page missal that the Indult parishes use (provided by the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei) there is no reason not to have an excellent English translation for use in the Novus Ordo. Sad that so much time and money has been wasted on and by the ICEL. "Your collection basket dollars hard at work". "Preserve our committee jobs at all cost".

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Because they moved out of their urban ethnic enclaves and spread out.

Just natural American dynamic demographics, nothing more sinister than that.

[american colleen]

Most Catholics are perfectly happy with the Novus Ordo. I know that bothers a lot of people on this forum, but it's the truth.

Then what are priests and bishops seemingly afraid of? Most are loathe to either say or permit the Tridentine in their own parishes. For instance, remember a coupla months back the FSSP wrote to the Basilica in Washington to get (and they received) permission to say the Tridentine there? When they got there, the permission had been rescinded. No explanation. I honestly don't understand that.

[sinkspur]

Most are loathe to either say or permit the Tridentine in their own parishes.

I can tell you that my pastor, for instance, would not say a Tridentine Mass. Our sanctuary is not conducive to the rubrics of the 1962 Roman Missal. I've also asked him about it, and he's said, in his year here, he's gotten ZERO requests from anybody for a Tridentine Mass here.

We have a Tridentine Mass at an urban parish in downtown Ft. Worth (about 12 miles away). It's held weekly, and draws between 100-250 people.

[american colleen]

My pastor has probably also gotten zero requests for the Tridentine. I'm pretty regular and honestly, I never knew the Tridentine existed still until I signed up at FR and started to post on the religious threads. Then I had to do a search on google to see if any parish in the Arch of Boston offered it. It's a 4 1/2 hr. roundtrip including Mass for us.

I've no doubt that your parish is not condusive to the Tridentine. A lot of parishes were built that way (maybe in the round?) back in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Fr. Vosko has "been here" twice in the last two years and his renovations took two old parishes which were formerly condusive to the Tridentine (if you removed the altar table) and made them presently innappropriate to the Tridentine (they now emphasize community rather than the Eucharist - round, folding chairs, no high altar, missing Tabernacle). Sad because they are very modern and therefore will be visually outdated soon.

Your parish is probably kind of like mine... upper middle class... no one knows the Tridentine exists and can be said... no one would even think to ask.

The Tridentine in the hard to find parish in my diocese attracts maybe 250 per week... one Mass... mostly younger and the families are big. I don't know how they find it because the diocesan newspapers and the other parishes don't ever mention it.