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Going Straight
CERC ^ | 11-03 | LAUREN QUAINTANCE

Posted on 11/19/2003 10:10:12 PM PST by Salvation

Going Straight    LAUREN QUAINTANCE


For as long as she can remember, Jacqui Wyles hasn't felt like one of the girls. At high school, she struggled to remember clothing labels and she could barely suppress her boredom when girlfriends obsessed over gossip magazines.
STRAIGHT UP: Jacqui Wyles was 18 when she became a lesbian — now she wants a husband. DAVID WHITE/Sunday Star-Times


She had "crushes" on older girls, but she had "normal, puppy love" boyfriends as well. As her relationships with boys became more sexual, though, they became more demeaning. "I had a lot of boys in the back seats of cars using me."

At 17, she was raped while hitchhiking in the South Island and, she says, after that experience she was even more ill-at-ease with men. The following year, she was seduced by a married woman in her mid-20s. "She invited me over for tea and said she was attracted to me and I just felt myself melt inside. She was very gentle and careful . . . She knew I was young and I was in deep trouble."

A short time later, Wyles declared herself a lesbian. It was the mid-1970s and she immersed herself in the lesbian separatist movement in Wellington. "Basically, we wanted men exterminated from the planet," she says. She smoked a pipe, wore a T-shirt with the slogan "Lesbian Nation" and became a bus driver. "It was a good job for a dyke. You got to wear shorts and drive a big bus although it wasn't that hard since I think they had power steering."

These days, Wyles, 47, is keen to find a husband. "I have no sexual attraction towards women now. I have no erotic feelings towards women and I know that's one thing God has changed for me. I'm really interested in getting married and I'm looking forward to the sexual side of marriage."

Wyles is one of a low-profile group of former homosexuals and lesbians who believe that they have changed their sexual orientation. Mostly Christians who found that their homosexuality was in conflict with their faith, some of these "ex-gays" are married and have children. Their claims — rubbished by gay groups — are supported by the findings of a new study by Dr Robert Spitzer, professor of psychiatry at Columbia University in New York.

The study, reported in the US journal Archives of Sexual Behaviour, concluded that homosexuals who undergo "reparative" or "reorientation" therapy can change their sexuality. The findings have created even more of an impact because Spitzer was head of the committee that deleted homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's list of official mental disorders in 1973. That decision lent authority to the claim that homosexuality is the result of nature, not nurture, and it is not possible to "choose" one's sexuality.

Of the 200 former homosexuals in Spitzer's study, 78% of males and 95% of females who voluntarily underwent therapy reported a change in their sexuality. And of the 143 men and 57 women, 66% of males and 44% of females had achieved what Spitzer described as "good heterosexual functioning". That meant they were in a loving, heterosexual relationship, having heterosexual sex at least once a month and never — or rarely — fantasising about someone of the same gender during heterosexual sex.

Unsurprisingly, perhaps, 93% of the participants described themselves as "devoutly religious" but Spitzer says that while that made them "highly motivated" they nonetheless met his definition of heterosexuality.

"I came to this study a sceptic," Spitzer says, "I believed a homosexual, whether born or made, was a homosexual and that to consider their orientation a matter of choice was wrong. But the fact is that if I found even one person who could change, the door is open, and a change in sexual orientation is possible." Gay rights campaigners have accused Spitzer of being a "cultural conservative" but Spitzer has insisted his only interest in the subject is scientific truth.

An editorial in the American magazine Psychology Today earlier this year defended the right of therapists to offer sexual reorientation therapy. Psychologists, the magazine's editor-in-chief Robert Epstein noted, recognised a disorder characterised by distress over one's sexuality. "Both gays and straights have a right to seek treatment when they're unhappy with their sexual orientation and some choose to try and change that orientation. It would be absurd to assert that only heterosexuals have that right." According to Epstein, sexual reorientation is successful in about a third of cases.

In New Zealand, "reorientation therapy" is shunned by the majority of mainstream psychiatrists and psychotherapists.

"It is dangerous and harmful," said Dr Gavin Stansfield, a psychotherapist who works with gay men, "because what it does is reinforce the shame and self-loathing that some people have about their homosexual feelings." Indeed, the New Zealand Association of Psychotherapy issued a warning last year that such therapy was "harmful" and its members should not attempt to alter sexual orientation.

However, some Christian groups offer counselling services to gays who want help to change. Local branches of international ex-gay groups such as Courage, a Catholic group, and Exodus are approached by several hundred men and women a year.

Many of those will take part in a 32-week Living Waters programme for people with a range of sexual and relationship problems, such as addiction to pornography and difficulty with intimacy, to restore their "brokenness" and achieve a "wholesome, Godly sexuality". Some in the counselling programme do not seek to reorient themselves but merely want help to abstain from homosexual sex. Others set out to become fully-fledged heterosexuals.

Andrew Verissimo, director of ex-gay group Exodus, says he was a homosexual for a decade before he married and fathered a child.

"I grew up in a Christian home and got involved in the lifestyle as a bit of a rebellion and, when I was trying to give up all these things I'd grown up with, there was this little voice inside me that knew that this was not right."

As well as the conflict with his Christian upbringing, Verissimo says most of the gay relationships he observed were superficial and fleeting. "I looked around the people I was involved with and I didn't see a lot of happiness there."

Verissimo believes that no one is entirely gay or entirely straight. Instead, sexuality exists on a continuum and it is possible for people to move along it in either direction.

"I definitely believe that people can change totally," he says, "Sexuality is fluid and I believe people can move along the spectrum from almost exclusively homosexual to almost exclusively heterosexual."

Jacqui Wyles' journey along that spectrum has not always been smooth. She was living as a lesbian and driving a bus in Wellington in December 1980 when she had a "supernatural experience". "I was driving down the Brooklyn hill and the most amazing presence of God came into the bus. He showed me parts of the Bible . . . and I felt completely forgiven."

Although Wyles immediately cut ties with the gay community and became a Christian she has "fallen" three times since joining the church — once with a man and twice with women. For a long time, she saw herself as an "abstaining lesbian" but she now feels straight.

Perhaps one of the most disorienting things for ex-gays is that when they "came out" 20 or 30 years ago they were flouting social norms and now they claim to be straight they find themselves in a deeply unfashionable position again.

"I know the gays are angry at people who say they can change. They will say 'oh you were never a lesbian' or 'you're denying it' but I think I can choose, just like an alcoholic can choose to go back to drink. But it's not like I'm fighting it. I've got so far along now that I don't feel like a lesbian any more. I just keep on praying and choosing to be a heterosexual."

Now, Wyles who dresses in soft, feminine shirts and wears makeup, is ready for a husband. "I'm trusting that God will bring the right one to me. Until recently I've been doubtful that I could be a good wife but I'm OK about it now."

And although most ex-gays are Christian, for some that was only part of the problem and part of the cure.

Hastings man Aaron Ure, 42, was a gay transexual before he met his wife, Lois, 17 years ago and fathered four children. "I believe I had a conversion of sorts," he says, "My change of lifestyle was never based on my religious preference. It was based on the fact that people loved and supported me."

Ure says he always felt different growing up. When he played rugby Ure wasn't focused on the scoreline.

"I liked the fact that I got to hang on to other guys but I didn't want to be thrown on the ground and stood on."

By the age of 14 he was an "active" homosexual and by 16 he was dressing as a woman. At 18 he started hormone therapy to give him a feminine appearance.

But it did not last. "By my 20s it just wasn't working," he says. "The whole emphasis for me was not on sex but on being loved and held and supported by a male . . . the casual sex bothered me. There was nothing lasting or permanent in the lifestyle."

Two women invited Ure to their church meeting in Hamilton and although he initially thought they were "weird" he was won over by the non-judgemental nature of the people he met through the church.

"By that time I was out of drag but I still liked my silk tracksuit," he laughs. "It was quite obvious who and what I was and they still wanted to spend time with me."

Crucially, Ure says, he formed relationships with men in the church that were warm and loving but without being complicated by sex. When he met Lois, Ure says the attraction to her was immediate, but not sexual. "I met her and I thought 'this lady is kind of nice.' She was a very, very big woman but she had a real sweetness in her heart. There was no sexual attraction for either of us but over the next few years we began to develop a companionship."

Four years later, they were engaged. Before they got married, Ure had a double masectomy to remove his breasts. However, both faced resistance from family and friends who opposed the union.

"I had to go through a process with my family saying I was gay and just needed to accept it," he says. "They said 'this won't work. You're only marrying her because she's the next best thing to a man'."

Since his Christian faith forbids sex before marriage Ure had no idea whether he would be able to perform sexually. "I had to say to my wife what happens if we get into bed and I feel sick'?" And while he does not pretend it has always been easy, Ure says they have a healthy sexual relationship. They have four children aged between 16 and six. "When we're not tired, we're active. But we both have jobs and teenagers with big ears," he says with a belly laugh. Besides, he says, he places less value on sex and more on physical affection.

Although he has had the opportunity more than once, he has not had sex with a man for more than 20 years. "I could have stuffed this up at any time but I choose not to because when I look at what I've got in comparision with what (gay life) offers there's no contest. I've got a faith life, I've got a woman that loves me, I've got children who love me and I've got peace of mind."

But what does he say to gay lobbyists who will, inevitably, suggest that he is suppressing his natural sexual feelings?

"The only thing I would say to the gay entourage is that life is a series of choices. Some of them are very hard choices but they are choices nonetheless. I choose to live this lifestyle."

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Lauren Quaintance. "Going straight." Sunday Star Times (New Zealand) 9 November, 2003.

This article reprinted with permission from the Sunday Star Times.

Copyright © 2003 Sunday Star Times
 




TOPICS: Current Events; History; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: change; exodus; faith; fma; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lesbian; marriage; nature; nurter; reorientationtherapy; sodomy; straight
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Interesting story that I thought you all might enjoy.
1 posted on 11/19/2003 10:10:13 PM PST by Salvation
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My mistake.

Author is LAUREN QUAINTANCE.
2 posted on 11/19/2003 10:11:55 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**Mostly Christians who found that their homosexuality was in conflict with their faith, some of these "ex-gays" are married and have children. Their claims — rubbished by gay groups — are supported by the findings of a new study by Dr Robert Spitzer, professor of psychiatry at Columbia University in New York.**

A great fact that doesn't seem to making the mainstream media!

Arghhh!
3 posted on 11/19/2003 10:16:06 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**The only thing I would say to the gay entourage is that life is a series of choices. Some of them are very hard choices but they are choices nonetheless. I choose to live this lifestyle."**

Real wisdom!
4 posted on 11/19/2003 10:18:04 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Perhaps, but...

"By the age of 14 he was an "active" homosexual"

Betcha the rent he was seduced by an older, practicing homosexal, or at best by someone his own age who had been.

IMO, SSAD is in the main a maladaptive, disordered response to such molestation. I think it is a disorder, and so the "choice" faced by many is not the same sort of choice faced by a healthy person thinking rationally.

A person with a personality disorder, for instance, cannot "choose" not to have a personality disorder.

The nature of mental disorder can make such a choice much more difficult than simply calling it a "choice" would seem to imply. A disorder can also make a good choice appear unatractive, or even terrifying.

The existence of programs that help people escape SSAD, and the fact that they often fail, would seem to support that view.
5 posted on 11/20/2003 5:03:29 AM PST by dsc
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**the "choice" faced by many is not the same sort of choice faced by a healthy person thinking rationally.**

Much like the thinking/choices of an alcoholic?
6 posted on 11/20/2003 7:02:10 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Good article, and pretty balanced. Most of the time, this issue is clouded by the rhetoric of partisans on both sides of the debate. Not sure whether I believe that homosexuals can be "reoriented" (doesn't that imply that heterosexuals can be "reoriented?"), but an interesting discussion of the issue, nonetheless.
7 posted on 11/20/2003 7:16:46 AM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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**Not sure whether I believe that homosexuals can be "reoriented"**

Wasn't there one time in our lives that doctors and all of us thought that alchoholics and drug addicts could also not be re-oriented.

Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.
8 posted on 11/20/2003 7:33:17 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**Good article, and pretty balanced. Most of the time, this issue is clouded by the rhetoric of partisans on both sides of the debate.**

BTW, I agree with your statement here, too!
9 posted on 11/20/2003 7:34:25 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"doesn't that imply that heterosexuals can be "reoriented?"

No, because heterosexuality is normal. Homosexuality is a disorder.
10 posted on 11/20/2003 7:35:05 AM PST by johnb2004
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Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.

My fiance's sister is a recovering drug addict. She stays clean for months at a time, but occasionally slips back to her old ways, as do something like 60% of recovering addicts. I think reorientation therapy will have similar effects.

Of course, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried.

11 posted on 11/20/2003 7:47:23 AM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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No, because heterosexuality is normal. Homosexuality is a disorder.

Alcoholism and drug addiction are disorders, too. Non-addicts become addicts, so I think there are similarities between drug abuse and homosexuality. Otherwise normal people can get into self-destructive behavior.

12 posted on 11/20/2003 7:50:44 AM PST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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"I definitely believe that people can change totally," he says, "Sexuality is fluid and I believe people can move along the spectrum from almost exclusively homosexual to almost exclusively heterosexual."

This is an interesting premise, that seems to be corroborated by the results documented in the study. Perhaps a bad experience on one end of the spectrum will nudge a person in the opposite direction. Fascinating.

13 posted on 11/20/2003 9:01:54 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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Thanks for your input and bump!
14 posted on 11/20/2003 9:06:04 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Definitely interesting theory!

Do you predict when it will make the headlines for ABCNNBCBS? LOL!
15 posted on 11/20/2003 9:07:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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All this is why it's so important to the gay movement to subvert Christian denominations. If churches quit calling homosexuality what the Bible always has, and even acknowledges it's acceptibility in same-sex marriages, then there is no reason for homosexual Christians to even think about changing, and they aren't told it's actually a sin.

I found this very interesting testimony by a former lesbian on Bishop Stanton's Diocese of Dallas website: click. What's so interesting to me is that she has tracked way back in her life experiences to all the influences that led her into a lesbian lifestyle. She wasn't born that way, she was definitely guided into it.

16 posted on 11/20/2003 12:48:39 PM PST by xJones
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"Much like the thinking/choices of an alcoholic?"

Perhaps. It's hard to argue that somebody on the bad end of a two-week binge is thinking rationally.

Then, too, some people argue that alcohol can be addictive for some people.
17 posted on 11/20/2003 6:49:08 PM PST by dsc
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"Perhaps a bad experience on one end of the spectrum will nudge a person in the opposite direction."

I get a sense that it works differently for men and women.

It seems to me:

1. A bad experience with a woman is less likely to push a man to homosexuality than a bad experience with a man is to push a woman to lesbianism.

2. Molestation of a boy by a man is more likely to cause severe SSAD than is molestation of a girl by a woman.

3. A few lesbian "experiments" are not as big a deal to a female as a few homosexual experiences are to a male.

4. Molestation of a young girl by an older man can traumatize her and push her to lesbianism, but molestation of a boy by an older woman has almost a zero probability of inducing SSAD.

5. A bad lesbian experience is more likely to cause a woman never to repeat a lesbian act, while a homosexual experience of any type prior to adulthood (and I would argue that all such experiences are traumatic, whether they involve seduction or force) is quite likely to cause the onset of SSAD in a boy.

It seems kind of odd: if a girl is traumatized by a man, she may turn to other women, but if a boy is traumatized by a man, he often reacts in just the opposite way. I think in some cases it may be "idenfication with the aggressor," and in other cases it may be more like the Huck Finn choice: "Okay, if this is what I am, I'll play it to the hilt."

Then, too, when SSAD predators are recruiting an adolescent, they can dangle before him every teenage boy's fantasy--unlimited promiscuity. I don't know if a lesbian has an equivalent incentive to offer a young girl.
18 posted on 11/20/2003 7:06:16 PM PST by dsc
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**She wasn't born that way, she was definitely guided into it.**

I remember some early theories, back in the early 80s, that boys were guided into homosexuality by the lack of an established loving relationship with their mothers. And I think the opposite theory was espoused with girls: no loving relationship with a father would lead a girl to homosexuality.

From this girl's own account, it seems that she was a continual disappointment to her father. Hmmmmm.

19 posted on 11/20/2003 10:08:47 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"I remember some early theories, back in the early 80s, that boys were guided into homosexuality by the lack of an established loving relationship with their mothers."

And there was another that it was a domineering mother and weak father that did it.

I don't buy it.

Boys are traumatized into SSAD by predators.
20 posted on 11/21/2003 2:38:20 AM PST by dsc
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