The "Bible Alone" is Not Enough

Catholic Family News ^ | July 1995

[narses]

If you posted that here just to be a troll, as you accused me of doing, where is your charity? Where is your faith? Can you not defend what you believe?

[narses]

If 83% are apostate because they went to a MOVIE, it begs the question of their faith, no? Of course, the fact that such a charge was repudiated by most was also interesting. If every one of us is free to interpret the Faith (and we are), then we have a fascinating world. For those of us who choose to accept the Apostolic Succession, life is simple (sort of). Then again the "once saved, always saved" crowd has an equally easy time.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***Did Our Lord write any part of the New Testament or command His Apostles to do so***


This article is woefully ignorant of the scriptures...


"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later."


...Write, therefore...

[Life is Sacred]

"The professing church is in a hopeless, demoralized state whenever its members begin to believe that the Bible is insufficient for the task before us."

I guess the church for 1500 years was in a hopeless, demoralized state. If I were a Protestant, I would have a tremendously difficult time trying to explain how Christians living in the early years of the church could be "saved", when they relied purely on spoken word and tradition.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***Before the Bible was written, how did "Sola Scriptura" exist***


Jesus said...


"He [Lazarus] answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "


...Moses and the Prophets...

If you won't listen to Scripture NOTHING will save you!

[Gamecock]

Moi? I posted it to be fair and balanced. Did I not put a link to your thread on my post? You didn't. I wanted my RC friends to benefit from my post.

To paraphrase your post #10, I wanted our beloved, if somewhat heretical, protestant Catholic brethern to have the full story.

Where is your faith? In my heart.

Can you not defend what you believe? Sure. See my home page.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***when they relied purely on spoken word and tradition***


See # 25

[narses]

Good, except that was John hearing from an ANGEL. Try again.

John 20-30: And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book.

John 21-25: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.

[narses]

"I posted it to be fair and balanced"

And calling me a troll was charity?

[narses]

Can you not defend what you believe? Sure. See my home page.

Well, that is an improvement over your first answer:

Why should I?

But since this thread is here, why can't you answer the objextions here point by point?

[Life is Sacred]

""Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." ...Write, therefore...",

Did the apostle then and there begin the arduous task of writing the entire NT and then writing even more so there would be enough copies to go around? How does that verse have anything to do with the other NT authors, who weren't personally called to pick up their quills?

[narses]

"If you won't listen to Scripture NOTHING will save you!"

A non sequiter. BEFORE scripture was written, what did the 'sola scriptura' crowd do? (Hint: the Apostles PREACHED the Word.)

[PetroniusMaximus]

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***Comment: Since the Bible is incomplete, it needs something else to supplement it; i.e., the spoken or historically recorded word which we call Tradition.***


Prologue to Luke...

"Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.


...that you may have certainty...

Did Luke LIE when he wrote that we could have certainty through this writings?

(I am not mad at you. I love you! and I am mad that people would attempt to deceive you like they have about the Bible!!!)

[Gamecock]

And calling me a troll was charity?

Actually, yes it was. Would you have preferred a brood of vipers?

BTW, don't you have enough to worry about without antagonizing Proddies?

[Life is Sacred]

""Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'"

Kind of like when the early Christians listened to church fathers and the apostles before them, seeing as how there was no Bible to refer to. You can also call it oral tradition.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***Good, except that was John hearing from an ANGEL. Try again. ***

Angels do not claim to be the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last!

""Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
"Write, therefore"

This is Jesus speaking!

[Gamecock]

But since this thread is here, why can't you answer the objextions here point by point?

Because I have better things to do than answer a poorly written piece of garbage. Like pick my belly button lint.

[narses]

How in the world does his certainty about what he wrote eviscerate the Tradition given to the Apostles about which he did NOT write? Is logic entirely absent from your world? The Word is Infinite, the Bible is finite. The Holy Ghost exists, is part of the Triune Godhead and contains ALL of the Truth. I pray your eyes open to that reality.

[narses]

Ah, if your faith cannot deal with a " poorly written piece of garbage", how strong can it be? Strong enough, perhaps, to "pick (your)belly button lint", but not strong enough to support you in debate?

[PetroniusMaximus]

***BEFORE scripture was written, what did the 'sola scriptura' crowd do? ***

I miss your point.

Since Moses took up the styles there has been scripture.