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Letter of Rev. Fr. Charles Murr to Parish and Parents
April 5, 2004 | Rev. Fr. Charles Murr

Posted on 04/06/2004 7:57:38 AM PDT by CatherineSiena

ST. FRANCIS DE SALES CHURCH
135 EAST 96TH STREET
NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10128

April 5, 2004

To the Parish of St. Francis de Sales and the Children and Parents of the St. Francis de Sales School/St. Lucy Academy:

On Friday, April 2, 2004, I resigned as pastor of the Parish of St. Francis de Sales. I am writing to you now to explain the circumstances that led me to make this decision.

Our parish school, the St. Francis de Sales School/St. Lucy Academy, currently faces some grave problems. One concerns financial management. Contrary to the policies of the Archdiocese, no financial statements for the school have been prepared for any period after August 31, 2001, and thus no one knows what the financial condition of the school actually is. It is clear, however, that for several years the school has not been making required payments for insurance and pension benefits, and the Archdiocese calculates that the school owes the Archdiocese over $638,000. Although I attempted to work with the administration of the school to prepare the needed financial statements, the school’s administration consistently failed to cooperate with me, and, on the advice of the Parish Council, I notified the Archdiocese in January that I intended to replace the principal and vice principal of the school. The Archdiocese accepted this decision and last week resolved to send officials from the chancery to begin preparing and auditing financial statements for the school.

The second problem at the school concerns religious instruction. On the most recent administration of the Archdiocese’s standardized religion test last June, approximately 66% of our students failed. The major reason for this was that several of our teachers were not committed to teaching the Catholic faith. One teacher, for example, was taking her students to non-Catholic religious services on Sunday mornings. Another refuses to teach her students to make the Sign of the Cross. Others do not teach those doctrines of the Catholic faith with which they disagree. To rectify these problems, I appointed a new Director of Religious Education for the school this year, but the teachers who were hostile to Catholic doctrine disrupted his classes, belittled him in front of his students, instructed his students to ignore him, and even spread slanderous reports about him. I thus determined that the employment contracts of these teachers would not be renewed for the coming academic year, and on April 1, I informed these teachers accordingly.

It has been reported to me that, on April 1, at least some of these teachers held their students after school, read to them my letter declining to renew their employment contracts, and provided their own comments on the matter. Predictably, they reduced many children to tearful hysteria. The behavior of these teachers was reprehensible; they intentionally inflicted harm on innocent children in order to advance their own private interests. On behalf of the school, I apologize to these students and their parents for the grossly unprofessional conduct of these teachers.

On Friday afternoon, Msgr. Thomas Gilleece, the Chancellor of the Archdiocese, informed me without further explanation that, by order of the Cardinal, I was to renew the employment contracts of the principal, the vice principal, and all the affected teachers. Since I could not in good conscience, as a pastor charged with the care of souls, comply with this order, I resigned as pastor of the Parish of St. Francis de Sales and as administrator of the Parish of St. Lucy. On Saturday, April 3, the members of the Parish Council wrote Cardinal Egan informing him that they shared my views regarding the need to reform the school and had concluded that they could not in good conscience as faithful Catholics be associated with his order to reinstate the principal, the vice principal, and the affected teachers. The members of the Parish Council thus resigned their positions. The Parish Trustees likewise resigned. As of the date of this letter, none of us has received any reply from the Cardinal.

It has been a great honor to serve as your pastor. You will all remain in my prayers.

Servus, in Christo Jesu,

Fr. Chas. Theo. Murr


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To: CatherineSiena
I had some acquaintance with Cardinal Egan when he was bishop of Bridgeport. He is personally impressive, gives a good sermon, and appeared to be theologically sound. I read his monthly columns in the diocesant paper, and they were always sound.

There were problems in the diocese, but it's hard to know how much of that a bishop is responsible for. He certainly showed NO signs of being a liberal or of being sympathetic to dissent.

But I have to say that he has NOT done a good job in New York. Maybe the job is too much for him. Maybe he lacks the necessary determination that Cardinal O'Connell had. In any case he has certainly made some terrible mistakes.

The ostensible reason for giving Fr. Pavone a parish was that all priests should pitch in and help, and that's hard to argue with. But Fr. Pavone was far too important doing the job he was doing (and still seems to be doing). It sent the wrong signal.

No doubt parishes needed to be closed. But did he close the right ones? It seems not.

I have to admit that I also knew Cardinal Law many years ago, and HE seemed to be sound too. He had a reputation as a conservative. The liberals didn't like him. But he obviously had huge problems nevertheless. I hope Egan doesn't follow the same path.
41 posted on 04/06/2004 9:40:57 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DPalm
We all have our speculations as to how and why things are happening the way they are in our Church. My own is that His Holiness has been ill for a very long time. He presides over the Church Universal, not just our little corner of it. He needs to rely on others for good information and recommendations. I think that this is where the situation in America got away from His Eminence. We were given over to some dull examples of shepherds. Many of them, including a very ineffectual and criminally neglectful Bernie Law, thought they were members of the oligarchy. It became more important to wrangle tax advantages and schmooze over lunch with Teddy Kennedy than it was to see that the Faith was propagated as it should have been.
42 posted on 04/06/2004 10:12:08 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: CatherineSiena
Fr. Murr should contact one of the priests interviewed in "Priest, Where is Thy Mass". He may have a nice independent chapel or SSPX affiliation in his future where his loyalty to Catholicism will be well appreciated.
43 posted on 04/06/2004 10:28:09 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: AAABEST
Your Post 15 is concise, clear and unambiguous. In brief, I could not have conveyed the message better.
44 posted on 04/07/2004 1:55:08 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: firebrand
This is the school where I was sent to close polls last election. Didn't know I was walking into a den of iniquity. :-/
45 posted on 04/07/2004 5:09:40 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: AAABEST
Many of the Conservatives in the Novus Ordo, taking their lead from outfits, such as EWTN, argue that the bishops are our "fathers in God" and that we owe them obedience NO MATTER WHAT. Didn't the ancient Egyptians have the same deal with their high priests? Never mind, of course, that many of the bishops don't even believe in Jesus Christ anymore and openly teach so through their seminaries. In the Novus Ordo, cowardice is the virtue of choice.

The truth is that many of the Novus Ordo bishops in the US are criminals, heretics, seditionists--they can run us down in the street like dogs and then get community service as penalty. Even the good ones are not so good because they tolerate the evils in their mitred brothers and are willing to hold communion with them no matter what.

It was not so in the early days of the Church.

Do you remember that old movie, "Catholics: A Fable"? I loved that scene in the movie wherein the abbot compares the manner of the young investigator sent from Rome to the ways of the "old days". That really disturbed the Liberal--because it was true. Liberals can play the part of inquisitor when they want to do so. Interesting how the abbot was an atheist; that movie was produced many years ago,yet the protagonist is a prelate, who has entirely lost his faith--which is the problem with many of our bishops today. They don't believe in the Risen Christ--but they DEMAND to be obeyed in the same way that Ambrose, and Athanasius, Leo I, and Gregory I were in their time.

But the sheep still know the voice of the true pastors.
46 posted on 04/07/2004 7:10:44 AM PDT by dstoker ("Catholic: A Fable"--a Fable??)
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To: hellinahandcart
Thank you for your much-needed help in 2002. I didn't know either, of course.

I can't believe that some on this thread on still arguing the Latin mass when we obviously have much more serious problems, such as this subversive infiltration of our children's Catholic schools. Do yourselves and the Church a favor, my friends, and get off the Tridentine kick and into Jesus Christ.

47 posted on 04/07/2004 9:15:58 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
subversive infiltration of our children's Catholic schools

It can't be called subversive if the diocese would rather the priest leave than the principal or any of the teachers. Obviously they know about it, obviously this is what they want. I just can't figure out why, unless there is blackmail or something else criminal involved.

48 posted on 04/07/2004 9:29:10 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
They are up a tree for staff--principals and teachers both--who will work at their abysmal salaries. Last thing they need is a strike.

The problem is deeper: lack of commitment by real Catholics to educating the young. As the sisters diminish in numbers, we need a different approach. How about a proactive campaign for good Catholic teachers?

Heard the good cardinal yesterday at the Chrism Mass. Blessing holy oil for the entire year, while Catholic kids are getting their religious instruction undermined.

I love my church, but its priorities are wack.

49 posted on 04/07/2004 9:36:22 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Heard the good cardinal yesterday at the Chrism Mass. Blessing holy oil for the entire year, while Catholic kids are getting their religious instruction undermined.

Yesterday? Well, there's part of the problem. That Mass is supposed to be tomorrow. The Chrism Mass is supposed to be on the morning of Holy Thursday. If your bishop bends on that, Lord only knows what else he'll bend.
50 posted on 04/07/2004 9:53:52 AM PDT by Desdemona (Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.)
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To: Desdemona
This is exactly the kind of mentality I'm talking about. You're all wrapped up in whether the blessing of the holy oil takes place on Tuesday or Thursday.
51 posted on 04/07/2004 9:55:22 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
The relaxation of all things moral, a lot of us believe, is directly related to disregard for liturgical law. It's the most visible aspect of Catholicism. Mess around with that and anything else is fair game. That's why we're so adament about "rules."

The other thing about Holy Week - this is our Passover, just as the Exultet at the Easter Vigil proclaims. Everything old is discarded and all is made new. We haven't gotten there yet. Having the Chrism Mass on Holy Thursday is part of this renewal. That's the symbolism. It's not a convenience.

Frankly, the biggest problem right now, IMO, is lack of Catechesis beginning in the late 1960's. That is directly related to the relaxation of all the "rules". That's when it happened. I grew up in the 70's and was a victim of it. It hasn't been until the last couple of years that I've truly understood what it means to be Catholic - and I didn't learn it from school or my elders.
52 posted on 04/07/2004 10:03:27 AM PDT by Desdemona (Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.)
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To: firebrand
I can't believe that some on this thread on still arguing the Latin mass when we obviously have much more serious problems

For your first post on a Catholic thread (at least that I have noticed), you sure are starting off on the wrong foot by displaying your ignorance. There is nothing either in heaven or on earth that is more important than the holy sacrifice of the Mass. All of the Catholic schools in the world could not add up to the spiritual value of 1 Catholic Mass. So when the Mass is attacked, then the very center and source of spiritual life is attacked. Of course there are other issues, and every element of the Catholic faith is essential, but the Mass is the source and the summit of all Catholic belief and practice.

this subversive infiltration of our children's Catholic schools

When there is heterodoxy in belief, and heteropraxis in worship, then inevitably that must filter into the Catholic schools. We can only restore our Catholic schools when we restore traditional Catholic belief and worship. It will never be possible for protestants to run an authentically Catholic school.

Do yourselves and the Church a favor, my friends, and get off the Tridentine kick and into Jesus Christ.

Yeah, maybe I can be "born again" and learn to play "Kumbaya" on the guitar. Anyone who thinks that you can "get into Jesus Christ" by any method other than traditional Catholic faith and sacraments has a protestant mentality.

53 posted on 04/07/2004 11:27:12 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Desdemona
The relaxation of all things moral, a lot of us believe, is directly related to disregard for liturgical law. It's the most visible aspect of Catholicism. Mess around with that and anything else is fair game. That's why we're so adament about "rules."

Excellent point. And this process was very real, not just symbolic. Catholics thought, "If they can change the rules about the Mass, about eating fish on Fridays, about women wearing headcoverings in church, etc., then they can change the rules about anything. I can make my own rules about birth control, sex outside marriage, etc., and they can no longer pretend that their 'rules' are handed down by God."

Frankly, the biggest problem right now, IMO, is lack of Catechesis beginning in the late 1960's. That is directly related to the relaxation of all the "rules". That's when it happened. I grew up in the 70's and was a victim of it. It hasn't been until the last couple of years that I've truly understood what it means to be Catholic - and I didn't learn it from school or my elders.

Another excellent point. Like you I was given a supposedly "Catholic" education in the 1970s, and I was appalled when I found out how little I knew and how much of the faith I was ignorant of.

54 posted on 04/07/2004 11:37:29 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Like you I was given a supposedly "Catholic" education in the 1970s, and I was appalled when I found out how little I knew and how much of the faith I was ignorant of.

I feel that way about a lot of my education. Even though I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools, most of my education was done in the home - by myself, or from my parents. My mom encouraged me to look things up on my own, and concerning my faith, she would always "throw" around phrases from the traditional Mass like "Deo gratias" regularly. I think I have learned the most about my faith over the past 2-3 years on my own.

55 posted on 04/07/2004 11:46:42 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Maximilian
Far from my first post on a Catholic thread.

My entire point is that the sharper the scalpel with which one goes into an argument, the better chances one has of getting to the truth. Not all rules and regulations are equal. So keeping the minutiae the same is not the same as the rule about teachers in a Catholic school not subverting the faith of their charges. You don't get back to essentials by going back to the Latin mass. You get back to essentials by getting back to essentials.

I agree that the mass is central to our worship and our religious life. I don't agree that arguments about whether it should be in Latin are a good use of our time.

And lastly, wasn't it Jesus who said you must be born again? I don't like the appellation "born-again Christian" because it implies that Catholics should not be born again. It somehow leaves us out of that important transformation.

Really last: I hate "Kumbayah."

56 posted on 04/07/2004 11:52:42 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
So keeping the minutiae the same is not the same as the rule about teachers in a Catholic school not subverting the faith of their charges. You don't get back to essentials by going back to the Latin mass. You get back to essentials by getting back to essentials.

I guess we're not going to agree on this, but I think you should do some research about what has happened to the traditional Catholic Mass since the time of Vatican II. The Catholic Mass is not "minutiae." Even to suggest so is sacrilegious. The traditional Catholic Mass of all time which is offered in the Latin language IS "the essentials." It's the very definition of "essentials." It is the reason and purpose for our existence: to offer to God fitting adoration, reparation, thanksgiving and supplication.

If you're too angry about what Cardinal Egan is doing to this parish to think about any other issues, you should take a look at the recent threads about Cardinal Egan shutting down the National Shrine of St. Ann in Manhattan, the location where the indult Latin Mass is offered, so that he can sell the property to the US Post Office. You will see that his modus operandi is all of one piece.

My entire point is that the sharper the scalpel with which one goes into an argument, the better chances one has of getting to the truth. Not all rules and regulations are equal.

I agree with your line of thinking, but you may be getting the cause and effect backwards. As you say, if we want to be effective, we cannot afford to waste energy tilting at every windmill. So if we want to strike at the root of all the cancer in the Church, the root cause of the many crises we see surrounding us, from the breakdown of religious life, to the corruption of Catholic schools, to the scandals in the priesthood, to the lack of Mass attendance on Sunday, to the abandonment of sexual morality, where are we going to find the source of all these evils? The problems at this parish school are clearly just symptoms of a pervasive problem. So where is the root underlying cause? If you haven't thought that out, then you may not have a very good handle on which problems to attack first.

57 posted on 04/07/2004 12:18:03 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
I've thought it out to the extent I'm convinced that it has nothing to do with keeping every detail of regulations, as the Pharisees preached. Then we are like the Orthodox Jews or the Muslims, commendable in their zeal perhaps, but sometimes missing the essence of the faith through all their concentration on detail.

Many Catholics that I know well, in their ardor to be pleasing to God, have gone overboard on the less important matters while neglecting such major matters as the daily--hourly!--need to focus on the message. My point is that there is no connection, except for the vague one that both endeavors proceed from zeal. One is a dead end--and in fact alienates other Catholics who are faithful in going to mass in the vernacular and feel that they are somehow being told there is a "better" way--and the other is the Road. Straight and narrow, but not in terms of what day we bless the chrism.

God is a spirit, and they that worship Him worship Him in spirit and in truth. It's harder, in a way, because it changes from day to day, or rather is revealed to be slightly different from the day before, as our spirituality deepens, but I'm convinced it is better than arguing about liturgy.

As to what the problem springs from ultimately, it's easy as well as accurate to say the Evil One--from those who intentionally subvert our inner faith and its outer manifestations. And then secondarily from the unthinking sheep who wander after these folks in search of their own temporal gratifications. We have to become activists and "reverse-Gramsci" the world--not something that will be accomplished overnight.

58 posted on 04/07/2004 12:39:37 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
I agree that the mass is central to our worship and our religious life. I don't agree that arguments about whether it should be in Latin are a good use of our time.

This is because you don't know enough of what you speak to know how drastically you're contratdicting yourself in the above statement.

Nevermind the rampant liturgical absuses we read about every day. The Latin mass kept a global uniformity, purity of translation and integrity of worship that is impossible to do with all of the various vulgar vencacular masses. It was sacrificial, Christ centered and vertical. Not narcissistic, parishioner centered and horizontal.

How do we benefit through a less devotional mass or by angering God?

Really last: I hate "Kumbayah."

Not that it's a big issue or anything, but "Kumbayah" is a song of great sadness and soul. Although Jesus haters would have you believe that it was invented by suburbanite Christians sitting around a campfire, the truth is quite the opposite.

It originated from the American slaves singing to the Lord for their salvation.

The line "Kumbaya" is derived from "come by here" when they slanged it. They wanted the Lord to "come by here" and save them, and prayed so with an African/Blues melody.

If it's sung properly it's quite beautiful.

59 posted on 04/07/2004 12:54:51 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: AAABEST
I guess I never heard it sung properly.

And if I still don't know whatof I speak, after being harangued to death by my holier-than-thou acquaintances and friends walking around with their Latin-English missals and holy cards, I guess I never will.

The nostalgia these objects elicit in me is downright Proustian, however. I do wish we could go back to the morals of those days, at least, which I will never believe are related to the Latin mass. My formula has been Throw out the television set, from which all the evils of the world have been loosed upon us like the insects of Pandora's Box, and speak in Church in a language that people understand.

60 posted on 04/07/2004 2:07:40 PM PDT by firebrand
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