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To: monkfan
So you made an assertion that the councils had found Popes to be heretics, even though you accede that the assertion is false, and then say you *assume* Popes are fallible, just because they are "peccable"? (Yes, I probably made that word up!)

>>Given that, we're disinclined to recognize any one bishop, Pope or otherwise, as being infallible, even when speaking ex cathedra. Call us paranoid if you like. ;)<<

I'd rather say, "distrusting" than paranoid. Distrusting of who? The Pope? I'll readily concede that Popes are neither impeccable or inerrant. It's the *Holy* *Spirit* and not the Pope who confers infallibility apon the Pope. We careful who it is you distrust!
54 posted on 04/30/2004 1:18:35 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
So you made an assertion that the councils had found Popes to be heretics, even though you accede that the assertion is false, and then say you *assume* Popes are fallible, just because they are "peccable"? (Yes, I probably made that word up!)

First off, the assertion is already "out there" and is not mine, per se. Secondly, I do not, at this moment, have any documentation in my possession that I can utilize to expedite your request. Thirdly... pipe down! ;)

Let me share with you what I *do* have. Specifically, a quotation from something my priest photocopied for me. I don't know the name of the book it came from, but this part is titled "The Office for receiving into the Orthodox Faith such persons as have not previously been Orthodox". There is a section for Roman Catholics. One of the questions is this:

Bishop: Dost thou renounce the erroneous belief of those who think that the Pope of Rome is superior to the Ecumenical Councils, and infallible in faith, notwithstanding the fact that several of the Popes have been heretics, and condemned as such by the Councils?

[Recommended] Answer: I do.

Soo... if this is a big problem for you and you just can't sleep until the air is cleared, I would suggest you have your bishop call my bishop and they can straighten it out over lunch. I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding.

It's the *Holy* *Spirit* and not the Pope who confers infallibility apon the Pope

No doubt, that would be necessary. However, Rome has done a lousy job of convincing us that this is indeed happening. What appears to be a lot of shifting and hem-hawing (don't bother with a dictionary), about what has been stated infallibly and what has not, is less than completely helpful.

We careful who it is you distrust!

We are and will continue to be. But thanks for the tip

61 posted on 04/30/2004 2:14:08 PM PDT by monkfan (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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