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So you made an assertion that the councils had found Popes to be heretics, even though you accede that the assertion is false, and then say you *assume* Popes are fallible, just because they are "peccable"? (Yes, I probably made that word up!)

First off, the assertion is already "out there" and is not mine, per se. Secondly, I do not, at this moment, have any documentation in my possession that I can utilize to expedite your request. Thirdly... pipe down! ;)

Let me share with you what I *do* have. Specifically, a quotation from something my priest photocopied for me. I don't know the name of the book it came from, but this part is titled "The Office for receiving into the Orthodox Faith such persons as have not previously been Orthodox". There is a section for Roman Catholics. One of the questions is this:

Bishop: Dost thou renounce the erroneous belief of those who think that the Pope of Rome is superior to the Ecumenical Councils, and infallible in faith, notwithstanding the fact that several of the Popes have been heretics, and condemned as such by the Councils?

[Recommended] Answer: I do.

Soo... if this is a big problem for you and you just can't sleep until the air is cleared, I would suggest you have your bishop call my bishop and they can straighten it out over lunch. I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding.

It's the *Holy* *Spirit* and not the Pope who confers infallibility apon the Pope

No doubt, that would be necessary. However, Rome has done a lousy job of convincing us that this is indeed happening. What appears to be a lot of shifting and hem-hawing (don't bother with a dictionary), about what has been stated infallibly and what has not, is less than completely helpful.

We careful who it is you distrust!

We are and will continue to be. But thanks for the tip

If that's supposed to be an accurate statement of Catholic belief ... well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, here are some more errors to denounce.

"Bishop: Dost thou renounce the erroneous belief of those who think that the Pope of Rome is superior to the Ecumenical Councils, and infallible in faith, notwithstanding the fact that several of the Popes have been heretics, and condemned as such by the Councils?"

Since the Orthodox Church considers Papal infallibility to be a heresy, so of course THEY consider Popes who believe in in fallibility to be heretics. But you are using the accusation that Popes have been heretics to prove your case that the Pope is not infallible. In other words, your support for your assertion that popes are fallible is nothing more than your assertion that popes are fallible.

"First off, the assertion is already "out there" and is not mine, per se."

You wrote it; it is now your assertion. If you cannot support it, do not assert it. At best, stating information that you have no reason to believe is true is gossip; at worst, slander.

"I do not, at this moment, have any documentation in my possession that I can utilize to expedite your request."

Ya know what? I don't need documentation. I just need to know why you believe that. An apparently, it's more a lousy reason (as mentionned above.)

"I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding."

No, it's not. It's an ugly slander, and I'm scandalized by the fact that there is an apostle of Christ who has incorporated vicious slander such as that into a sacrament.

"What appears to be a lot of shifting and hem-hawing (don't bother with a dictionary), about what has been stated infallibly and what has not, is less than completely helpful."

Whatever a dictionary stated, when the Church proclaimed the doctrine of infallibility, it did so by defining what they meant by infallibility. (Or, you might say, under what conditions infallibility was present.) It's not the Catholic Church's fault that her enemies promote lies about what the Catholic Church said; her statements are clear.