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New bishop shows his view of gays - [The Olmsted opposition responds]
East Valley Tribune [AZ] ^ | May 1, 2004 | Mary K. Reinhart

Posted on 05/01/2004 2:10:36 PM PDT by Phx_RC

Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted doesn't want gays and lesbians in his church.

The leader of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix made that abundantly clear this week when he ordered nine priests to remove their names from a statement they signed last year affirming gay rights and denouncing discrimination against them.

Disguising homophobia as a religious mandate is nothing new, but coming from the new bishop it is at best unsettling.

Because if the Bible bans homosexuality, then it also:
o Demands that a bride found not to be a virgin be executed by stoning.
o Forbids divorce and remarriage by divorcees.
o Commands that adulterers be stoned to death.
o Orders the widow of a man who dies childless to have sex with each of his brothers until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
o Condones polygamy, marriage for 11-year-old girls and treating women as property.

I'm no religious scholar, and the new bishop is. But the main lesson I learned in Sunday school was that God loved all of us, and we should love God and love one another.

Bishop Olmsted knows this. Just a couple of weeks ago, he led a Good Friday antiabortion protest in front of Planned Parenthood headquarters in Phoenix.

"Our first mission is to be one with Jesus Christ," he said. "And part of that mission is to protect the rights and dignity of every human life."

Exactly. That's what 120 religious leaders, including nine Catholic priests, said when they signed the No Longer Silent Phoenix declaration. Read it yourself, at Phoenix Declaration.

It condemns intolerance and hatred, and embraces love, compassion and dignity. It welcomes all people into the faith community and apologizes to those who have been excluded by church leaders.

One of the five East Valley priests who signed the declaration, the Rev. John Cunningham of St. Mary Magdalene in Gilbert, spoke eloquently last summer about his decision.

"The main theme of the Bible is God's love for all people," he told me. "The church must embrace all her children."

Olmsted this week suspended Cunningham pending an investigation into allegations that he allowed a non-Catholic minister to join him in serving Communion to Catholics during a wedding. The priest has served for 30 years, including 17 years at St. Bridget Catholic Parish in Mesa.

Cunningham and the other priests haven't said whether they will obey Olmsted's order to remove their names from the declaration.

The bishop hasn't said what will happen if they don't.

But if he truly believes in protecting the "rights and dignity of every human life," perhaps he will sign the declaration himself.


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: bible; cunningham; nolongersilent; olmsted
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To: sinkspur; Jeff Chandler
Sinkspur,you must have missed my lengthy list of just some of fr.Cunningham's heterodox ideas and activities. They were contained in my post to you (#33). After you read it then please tell Jeff and I if your answer to him still stands. Thanks.
41 posted on 05/02/2004 9:27:24 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity
Handle it privately, for now.

If, going forward, Cunnigham wants to continue in his waywardness, bust him, publicly.

42 posted on 05/02/2004 9:28:52 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
How's the baby girl?

Thank you for asking. She's doing much better. She had a few days of nausea and stomach cramps, but we think it was just a common bug, because a couple other family members had it too, but we're all a little on edge so we watched her carefully.

She has gone to Mass with us the last two Sundays, and even stayed for youth group. She gets tired; her doctor said it could take up to a year to recover from what she's been through. She's been engaging in her hobby, shopping, with her sisters and mom, and we've been gradually giving back her chores. In another week I'll start her back up with a limited home school schedule. Her first assignment will be a letter of gratitude to all you wonderful Freepers who supported her with your prayers, which she will post on this forum.

I can't help but just stare at her, so grateful that she is still with us, and home again!

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I would not be surprised if Bishop Olmstead had given fair warning to Fr. Cunningham. Bishop Olmstead is a gentle shepherd, not prone to public confrontation, and Fr. Cunningham is used to getting his way, running roughshod over the previous authority.

We are not getting the entire story from the news media.

43 posted on 05/02/2004 9:33:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Well, you tell your daughter that she and her father have been an inspiration to us on this forum, and we look forward to hearing from her.

If she's anything like her dad, she'll be getting high-fives the minute she posts.

44 posted on 05/02/2004 9:39:09 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sandyeggo; Siobhan
Yes,I am keeping track,(kind of)I'll list what I remember as well as I can..

Orthodox-Tobin,D'Arcy,Burke,Bruskewitz,Olmsted,Meyer,Jenky,Wuerl,Curtiss,Carlson,Barbarito,Doran,Chaput,Rigali,Demarzio,Coleman,Donaghue,Vigneron,Hughes

I think the following are also orthodox but have walked into pits,or are surrounded by heterodox brother bishops. George,Brunett,Dolan,Weigand,Levada,Lori,Murphy,O'Malley,Eddyvean,Allue

The following have done a few things that I thought showed strength:Foys,Pepe,Morlino,Buchlein

Heterodox:Mahoney,Brown,Skylstra,Lynch,Clark,Hubbard,Pilla,Pilarczyk,Laverde,Imesch,Gumbleton,Rodimer,Zavala,Grahmann,Flores,Fiorenza,Lucas,Kelly,Flynn

I have concerns about Egan,McCarrick,Brom..

If you have any information that would indicate a misclassification let me know.I'll work on alphabetizing,identifying by diocese and setting up standards. It makes me happy to look at this list,the number of strong orthodox Bishops is increasing which means the middle will hold. I think it's still going to be real rough for a while but the One,Holy,Catholic and Apostolic Church in the U.S. is going to make it,IMO.

45 posted on 05/02/2004 10:44:12 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur
I am not a big fan of traitors to the faith and dissenters who lead others astray. Why is a just action humiliating? If the priest was humiliated he should welcome it, take up his cross and learn obedience to Christ.
46 posted on 05/03/2004 5:56:24 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: m4629
"Your liberal AmChurch touchy feely egos are just TOO BIG to fit in the confessional"

Confession? That is the old rite. Too humiliating. Just hold hands and sing a song.
47 posted on 05/03/2004 5:58:48 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: sinkspur
>>I am. I'd bet that he didn't.<<

And so you are willing to throw stones at the bishop based on your unfounded presumption? My pastor gets told by his bishop 1,000 times a year to knowck off his heresies, disrespect for the Eucharist, hyper-political homilies, and he gets rewarded with the largest parish in the diocese with the highest concentration of young, single adults in the United States.

We know about this because the pastor routinely eviscerates the bishop from the altar. For three straight weeks, the entire homily was a diatribe against the bishop's directive to not wash the feet of women in the Good Thursday mass -- and those weeks were Palm Sunday, Easter and Divine Mercy Sunday!
49 posted on 05/03/2004 7:57:14 AM PDT by dangus
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To: saradippity
O'Malley may yet prove to make Law look like SSPX.
50 posted on 05/03/2004 7:58:26 AM PDT by dangus
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To: saradippity
O'Malley may yet prove to make Law look like SSPX; Egan is downright, positively Evil, using every faculty to crush and destroy anyone who stands up for truth.
51 posted on 05/03/2004 7:59:25 AM PDT by dangus
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To: saradippity
O'Malley may yet prove to make Law look like SSPX; Egan is downright, positively Evil, using every faculty to crush and destroy anyone who stands up for truth.
52 posted on 05/03/2004 7:59:55 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
"homilies, and he gets rewarded with the largest parish in the diocese"

Rewarded by whom, by the Archbishop?
53 posted on 05/03/2004 8:30:29 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Rewarded by whom, by the Archbishop?

Probably the bishop himself. Contrary to the media protrayals and hate/gossip-mongering in the churches against him, he's a very modest guy. He makes his point, lets the priest rail against it but at the end of the day, the pews are full, so he figures the priest must be doing something right. I dont think he realizes how bad the priest opposes him, or that these people in the pews are in a cult of personality. By railing against the heirarchy, the priest makes a God of himself. Remove that God, and the faith of his congregants will be based on nothing. Perhaps he's hoping that other oriests and Catholics help that faith extend beyond the pastor and onto Church.
54 posted on 05/03/2004 8:53:35 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
People do some strange stuff. I have a boss who let's an employee hose coworkers over because he can meet deadlines by turning out shoddy work quickly.

Who knows what this Bishop is thinking? If I had a subordinate acting like that, I'd hammer him.
55 posted on 05/03/2004 9:05:12 AM PDT by dsc
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To: sandyeggo
Add Mengalin and Zubik to the orthodox list.
56 posted on 05/03/2004 9:35:02 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: dangus
What diocese are you in? You probably have your B/bishop figuresd out pretty well. Many of the weaker
B/bishops have taken that route,it doesn't help but it explains some of the apparent crazinesses.
57 posted on 05/03/2004 9:40:40 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: dangus; sandyeggo
I hope yoou are wrong about O'Malley but he certainly has been a disappointment thus far. Boston needs a lot of prayers,I think they ar under a heavy supernatural attack.

Thanks for the info about Egan,as someone mentioned just the other night,"I have never trusted Egan since listening to his sermon at the national 9/11 Memorial service,he never mentioned Jesus Christ even once." That is pretty telling isn't it? I guess I will transfer him up (or is it down?) to the Heterodox list.

58 posted on 05/03/2004 9:51:14 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: sandyeggo
Uh,oh,I just read some bad stuff on Mengaling,Lansing. He has taken the McCracken position on matters Eucharistic. The upside is I can use the fact that he was listed as a B/bishop who was bringing hope to Catholics and now his status is questionable vis a vis being a faithful shepherd.

Last night our new Bishop confirmed in my parish. What an uplifting experience. In addition to his other great qualities,he has a wry,gentle humor.

He is also tolerant,evidenced by the fact that he did not leave the altar,hands covering his ears after a few meaaningless, mindless,tuneless ditties.

60 posted on 05/03/2004 1:33:02 PM PDT by saradippity
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