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1 posted on 05/28/2004 11:04:30 AM PDT by sinkspur
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2 posted on 05/28/2004 11:17:44 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur

A couple of points:

1. "a man's bio-genetic makeup shouldn't be our interest"

A predilection to sodomy is NOT genetically determined - just a serious behavioral and spiritual disorder, a sick "perversion" as His Eminence Gustaaf Cardinal Joos (of Belgium) recently explained to members of the press.
You may find the following statement by the Catholic Medical Association helpful in this regard:
http://www.rcf.org/docs/homosexuality_and_hope.htm

2."They said it is a risk factor associated with clerical sexual abuse"
Yes, a MAJOR risk factor - in the John Jay report, more than 80% of victims were boys.
For more on this association, please see:
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3

3."As to content, the official said the document would to some extent repeat the norms contained in a 1961 instruction of the Congregation for Religious, titled Religiosorum institution, which stated: "Those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty should be excluded from religious vows and ordination.""
The above decree (by Pope John XXIII) has never been retracted, and so remains the norm. With all the "pink palace" seminaries and "lavender mafia" chancery officials, it should be abundantly clear that the above norms have been ignored. It's not more wordy documents we need, it's discipline. Spare the rod - and spoil the child!


3 posted on 05/28/2004 11:27:42 AM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: sinkspur
As to content, the official said the document would to some extent repeat the norms contained in a 1961 instruction of the Congregation for Religious, titled Religiosorum institution, which stated: "Those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty should be excluded from religious vows and ordination."
The full text of Careful Selection And Training Of Candidates For The States Of Perfection And Sacred Orders is posted on the Roman Catholic Faithful's website, with a slightly different translation:
Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.

4 posted on 05/28/2004 12:07:28 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: sinkspur
"It's not reasonable to expect the Holy See to get into those details," the official said. "That's something that almost has to be determined on a case-by-case basis."
This following information is best posted without a link ...
"Penile plethysmography is a test measuring the variation of penis size in response to audio and/or visual stimuli. The size of the penis is commonly determined by its circumference using a mercury strain gauge, and was originally intended as a way of measuring sexual arousal. The Penile plethysmograph (PPG) device was developed by Czechoslovak researcher Kurt Freund in the 1950s. The motivation for its development was to prevent draft dodgers from claiming that they were homosexual in order to avoid military service."

5 posted on 05/28/2004 12:33:37 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: sinkspur

**"It's clear to me that a man's bio-genetic makeup shouldn't be our interest so much as his behavior."**

Bingo. I have always believed that this is more like alcoholism, srugs or gambling -- an addiction.

Not too many people agree with me, but that is OK. The offenders need to follow a recovery program and completely commit themselves to this recovery, OR ELSE it will not work.

OK, everyone, go ahead an flame!


7 posted on 05/28/2004 1:31:40 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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8 posted on 05/28/2004 1:34:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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9 posted on 05/28/2004 1:42:19 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: sinkspur
Sounds like another one like Redemptionis Sacramentum. Restates the laws and norms, and is ignored by the usual suspects.

I think it's still important that they issue a document, if only to make unambigous that Rome's position has not changed on this.

13 posted on 05/28/2004 2:47:19 PM PDT by B Knotts
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Homosexual Agenda Ping - Can someone explain this in simple layman's language?

To my untutored eyes, it looks kind of neither here nor there.

The 1961 statement looks fine, although obviously the lavender mafia wasn't paying attention:

"Those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty should be excluded from religious vows and ordination."

But I don't like this comment:

One Latin American cardinal said at the time, "It's clear to me that a man's bio-genetic makeup shouldn't be our interest so much as his behavior."

So the Latin American cardinal is buying homosexual rights lie that homosexuality is genetic. And that such "born that way" homosexuals make fine priests.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
(I'll be gone all weekend, if anyone sees relevant articles you can alert EdReform or Scripter!)


15 posted on 05/28/2004 4:06:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("Gay Marriage" - a Weapon of Mass. Destruction!)
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