Posted on 05/31/2004 8:36:56 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
Vatican, May. 31 (CWNews.com) - Cardinal Dario Castrillion Hoyos, the Vatican official charged with relations with traditionalist Catholics, believes that traditionalist often do not receive enough respect from Church leaders.
The Colombian prelate told he Italian daily Il Giornale that traditionalists should never be treated as second-class citizens in the Church. He admitted that the Church sometime shows more consideration in dealings with Protestant and Orthodox groups than with traditionalist Catholics. At the same time, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos suggested that some traditionalists should avoid "types of exasperated criticism" of Church leaders.
Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, is also chairman of the Ecclesia Dei commission, set up by Pope John Paul II (bio - news) to supervise the implementation of the papal indult authorizing a "wide and generous" accommodation of Catholics who prefer the traditional Mass. The cardinal also has been delegated by Pope John Paul II to handle negotiations with the schismatic Society of St. Pius X, in an effort to bring that traditionalist group back into full communion with the Holy See.
To satisfy the legitimate concerns of traditionalist Catholics, "a greater understanding is necessary," the cardinal said. He observed that Pope John Paul has "recognized the validity of their liturgical sensibilities." While other Catholics may not share those sensibilities, he insisted that traditionalists "are not second-class Catholics and must not be treated as such." Regarding the status of talks with the Society of St. Pius X, Cardinal Castrillon said that "the Pope and his closest collaborators are doing everything within their power" to persuade the Lefebvrist group that "the time is ripe" for their return. He voice regrets that the "hesitations" of the Society's leaders had slowed that process.
CWN can't get it quite right in regards to the "schismatic" SSPX. Perhaps they should pay more attention to the Cardinal quoted.
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March 13, 2004 - Cardinal Hoyos:
The Cardinal repeated that they dropped any idea to give us a proper jurisdiction. He mentioned that such a proper jurisdiction had only been granted to the Fraternity of St John Vianney at Campos, as the founder of that Fraternity, Bishop de Castro Mayer, had gone much farther than Archbishop Lefebvre. The Cardinal underlined that Archbishop Lefebvre had never founded a proper structure of his fraternity that could be considered as a concrete act of schism.
Pinging a few people off the top of my head for the latest comments from Rome.
Ping
Hoyos doesn't get it. The lack of respect is not for traditionalist Catholics, it's for the Catholic faith traditionalists are holding onto. Rome and the bishops want to impose the new religion. Traditionalists ain't buying. No amount of "respect" or friendliness or empty promises by Rome and the bishops will change this.
Me thinks Cardinal Hoyos didn't appreciate the SSPX document on ecumania last January.
With the novus ordo establishment in melt-down, and more and more Catholics returning to the traditional Faith - expressed so beautifully in the traditional Latin Mass - it appears some of the hierarchy are now being "exasperated" into making some concessions. Dare we hope that an end to the failed novus ordo experiment (and the "spirit of Vatican 2") is near at hand? I'm not holding my breath - just my rosary.
Hear!!! Hear!!!
The 'we-all-pray-to-the-same-god' neo-socialists have convinced the hippie flower children who would be priests of the sixties and seventies that universal ecumenism - like the heathen structure for all faiths planned for Fatima with the blessing of a celebrity who would be pope - is God's plan. Of course, this would require redacting His Holy Word to the contrary.
Perhaps those bishops now suggesting the Bible is not a historical account, coupled with government's incremental denunciation of His Word as 'hate' speech is their means to that end.
What a triumph for international communism if they could succeed in dismantling the single greatest threat to their plan for domination of the world - the Roman Catholic Church. From where I sit their 'useful idiots' are in place to make it happen.
Contemplating this line of thought I am required to ponder how Karol Wojtyla avoided arrest by the communists at a time when those of his station in Poland were being imprisoned.
When was the last time liberals ever conceded their failures and gave up their fantasies? It took twenty-five years for this Pope to admit Europe was in melt-down spiritually--and even then he blamed it on a "silent apostasy". But he is the one who turned his back on the faith of his predecessors and tolerated the breakdown of faith that followed.
No kidding. It seems the Church considers Traditionalists the enemy rather than the anchor that will keep the barque from sinking altogether.
While this little blurb is not enough to break out the champagne, it does show a slight chink in the wall. I think his words were carefully chosen, and there might be some action of some sort behind the scenes.
Get out the Rosaries and offer every Mass for the promulgation of a universal indult for the Tridentine Mass.
I would prefer a firm indult (no forced concelebration) to having the whole Church turn to the Tridentine Mass.
"He admitted that the Church sometime shows more consideration in dealings with Protestant and Orthodox groups than with traditionalist Catholics."
Notice that he didn't mention hindus, buddhists, mohammedans, zoro-astrians, voodoo-doctors, animists etc etc. - all of whom have seen more time in most novus ordo Catholic churches than traditionalist priests offering the traditional Latin Mass.
Thanks to ecumenism...
http://www.ihsv.com/thanks_1.HTM
You know, I've wondered about this myself. I have always figured that it was due to the hand of God having protected him during those years.
Your post implies that there may have been some nefarious plot by the communists to enthrone John Paul as the Pope. Let's, for the sake of argument, say that this is true. God's ways are not our ways. It appears that God willed that this man be the Pope. He was duly elected by the College of Cardinals. No one has come forward seriously claiming to be the true pope. (Except for that poor, old, demented man in Montana.) And, after all, if it wasn't His will, God had the chance to be rid of him with the assination attempt quite a few years ago.
Do I agree with everything that the Pope says and does. No. Theologically, I'll leave that up to the Pope and the theologians to hash out. When I do question the Pope's theology, it is to understand what he is saying and not to look for imbedded heresy, as so many love to do. His prudential decisions and actions, yes, I question and have my own opinions. For instance, if I were Pope, I wouldn't kiss the Koran, or allow the ecumenical shindigs at Assisi. I would have quite a few Cardinals and Bishops looking for other employment. However, I'm not Pope, and until the time that God sees fit for me to be Pope, I will allow God to work His will through this Pope.
In the end, there are 2 things that we all can do. 1) Pray unceasingly for the Pope and the Church. 2) Trust in Jesus' promise to St. Peter that "the gates of Hell will not prevail."
We don't need a "universal indult" - just an admission that "Quo Primum" is still in force i.e. that the traditional Latin Mass has never been abrogated (and that all priests of the Roman rite are "always and everywhere" free to offer this form of the Holy Sacrifice).
Of course, it would help if the pope issued a humble apology to all those priests who were "excommunicated" for abiding by their oath against modernism and courageously persisting with the Holy Mass of their ordination.
Unfortunately, the only papal apologies these days are to schismatic orthodox sects, lutherans, jews, mohammedans etc etc. -
And for what does our holy father apologize?
Zealous attempts at evangelization - now called "sins of the past".
Execellent advice! We are blessed here in Indianapolis to have the Tridentine Mass, everyday, for all occassions, no restrictions at all. It came about due to the prayers and sacrifices of many people, for many years, and to the generosity of Archbishop Buechlein.
Pray and offer sacrifices unceasingly. I have read of Saints who predicted these dark days for the Church and they all have said that She will rise more gloriously than ever before. This will end, for we have Jesus' own promise to St. Peter that "the gates of Hell will not prevail."
Here is a link to the interview. But I am not sure it is the same one.
http://www.seattlecatholic.com/misc_20040601.html
You underestimate the power and presence of evil within the College of Cardinals. From John XXIII to present the college has been stacked to elect another Wojtyla or worst.
Our Heavenly Father isn't in the business of interfering in the 'free will' of those placed in the top leadership roles of His Church. Although they may have achieved their posts by deceit, once anointed, the when, where, what and how they act or fail to act covertly or overtly is their 'free will'. But rest assured there are no free passes to His Kingdom.
Every Roman Catholic has a duty to expose contamination within The One True Faith. Every 'Christian' made aware of the One True Faith, but decides to refuse conversion will likewise answer for their 'free will' decision. Conversion is essential to salvation, because God said so. There will not be an ACLU on judgment day to defend against the Will of God.
What we do or don't do in response to our awareness of evil within the walls of His Church falls once again into the realm of 'free will'. Rest assured The Blessed Trinity has an accounting of each of our failings to rise above vanity and defend The Faith. Our actions and our unwillingness to act according to His Will awaits our judgment.
Yesterday a Christian in Saudi Arabia chose to deny The Blessed Trinity in order to save his life. May God have mercy on his soul.
In the rush to reconcile the "irregular situation" of the SSPX, let's not forget how Rome's protocol 1411 and the acrimonious axing of Reverend Father Bisig turned a fine traditionalist fraternity into what Thomas Woods terms "semi-traditionalists":
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/semi-traditionalists.asp
Today, priests of the FSSP are forced to offer the novus ordo at the whim of the bishop - thanks to the liberal European element who've taken over this once highly admirable establishment.
When last did you hear (or read about) an FSSP priest publicly rebuking the modernist ecumaniac agenda?
They're not even allowed to question any aspects of Vatican 2 - as though the vague pastoral pronouncements made there-in are a sort of super-dogma over-riding all other aspects of the Faith.
For instance, how do you reconcile the new orientation towards muslims, who "together with us adore the one, merciful God" (Lumen gentium, n. 16; cf. CCC, n. 841) with the abominable koran - please see http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ - not to mention the holy crusades and the great battle of Lepanto (for which we celebrate the feast of the Holy Rosary)?
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