Posted on 07/03/2004 5:42:36 AM PDT by xzins
Human theology leads to this perversity.
Scripture leads to truth and unity among believers.
"We now see its flowering in the Christian gay culture, in which gays feel they will "wither and die" (as one homoerotic bishop recently put it) if they cannot express their sexuality."
OOOOooooo, if we don't get church-approved homo humpty-hump, we'll just *die*.
Clearly, traditional lines of authority have fallen to pieces; no church (except perhaps the Roman Catholic Church) has an intact, functioning mechanism for preserving traditional beliefs and teachings. Homosexuality is a touchstone issue (conservatives understand what liberals do not: encouraging homosexuality is the opposite of being compassionate). But deeper issues divide the churches -- the authority of the Scriptures and the reality of the Resurrection.
Excellent, thoughtful post.
This article is exactly correct-- every mainline Protestant denomination finds itself enmeshed in the same strife, and that is not what the church is supposed to be about. It is indeed time to lovingly and gracefully go our separate ways. To the extent that we allow the politics of the world to drive our churches, we have then ceased to follow Christ. Following Christ means that we must sometimes recognize that He "came not to bring peace, but a sword." The time for that division is here.
Of course I don't expect that by this we will be left alone by the world to worship and follow Him, but still, the peace amongst believers will be worth it. And, over time, God's truth will be proven and justified in the world.
Religious truth is more important than corporate unity.
I agree with that.
There is a struggle that must be waged because corporate unity IS important. However, there can be no real Christian Unity apart from Christian Truth.
When it gets to the point that truth must be sacrificed to maintain unity, then it is time for that body to split.
I don't think its a good idea. Once the apostates take over 1/2 of the church property, they will infiltrate the ranks of the conservative churches and then seek to steal the other half as well. These apostates are picking off the lukewarm churches one at a time and creating new lukewarm churches while chasing away conservatives and true believers.
If these denominations are to survive, they have to fight to cleanse the whole church of the apostates, not surrender half the property to them. Compromise is the earmark of the Laodedean Church.
Interesting you say that conservatives should not quit the fight but should, instead, fight for control of the denomination. Interesting that you cite Laodicea.
In none of the 7 churches is there an instruction to quit. Rather, there is an instruction to overcome. I like your thinking.
The legal question in 21st Century America is how to contest legal ownership with an heretic group which has thoroughly infiltrated the hierarchy and passes itself off as the denominational heirs of traditions and properties. We people look at the denomination's confession of faith or articles of religion, at the denomination's history and traditions, and even at the denomination's founders, and we are certain that we are the true heirs of that denomination.
How does one convince a court of law of that truth?
If we could answer that question, we could cast out the heretics.
I think your hope lies with the youth. If you can get a serious outreach to the youth (high school and college) and get them on fire for the Lord and bringing in new Christians, then you stand a decent chance of taking back the denominations. The fact that some denominations are being taken over by apostates is a clear indication that there is not enough new growth at the grass roots.
In my experience young Christians are full of zeal and are for the most part even less tolerant of blatant sin than your average 40 year old. Young Christians are less likely to put up with apostacy than old died in the wool demoninationalists who, like sheepish democrats, are Methodists and Episcopalians for no other reason than that their parents were Methodists and Episcopalians.
You need to fill the pews with former atheists and former cultists and repentant sinners. Then and only then will these denominations have the votes necessary to throw out the apostates and take back the church for Christ.
So, my solution is outreach. Get out of the building and hit the streets. "Compel them to come in."
In principle, I agree with you that victory is available by outgrowing a non-reproducing minority.
Our polity,however, makes change very slow and the infidels can remain in power and practice nepotism for years and years more.
Many of the newly won to Christ, will not have that patience.
It would ALSO be good to have a legal strategy.
That's because it was the only game in town -- its not like there was a choice of denominations, or anything.
Now, if the Presbyterians go apostate, the Baptists are down the road. If the Methodists go apostate, there's a servicable Wesleyan church not far away.
It's a different world now than then.
One shouldn't just give up because of tares in the wheat. That certainly isn't the stance of Jesus' parable on the same subject.
Is there a time when I WOULD leave....absolutely. And I'd call it the Reformed Methodist or something like that.
BUT...someone give us a legal strategy for a quick seizure of leadership OR understand that the current polity will make any change slow OR encourage everyone immediately to leave their churches whenever the church makes bad decisions.
Perhaps its time to play the Sevetus card. :-)
Since much of our hierarchy is rumored to be witches (wiccan)...wouldn't it be appropriate for the "Knights Who Say Neener" and are of the KOETT to recognize that such persons might not need to burn (as did Servetus) but that they just MIGHT FLOAT.
Wood, of course, also floats. :>)
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1:
More witches!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
To bad Methodists aren't died-in-the-wool immersionists....we could see if they float.
:>)
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