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Gibson film based more on mysticism than gospels
ekklesia.co.uk ^ | 9/7/04 | ekklesia.co.uk

Posted on 07/09/2004 9:11:03 PM PDT by Destro

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1 posted on 07/09/2004 9:11:03 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

The focus of the film was the passion. I'd say Mel did a great job of faithfully bringing that horror to the screen.

These so-called "scholars" are all wet and a tad picayunish.


2 posted on 07/09/2004 9:33:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Destro
The date threw me for a loop! 9/7/04? :-)

For all of the criticism of The Passion, I feel it did more good for the cause of Christ than any film in my memory. Why don't they just enjoy it and quit trying to undermine it?
3 posted on 07/09/2004 9:35:38 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: Destro

What hooey. Looked like the Gospels in the form of the Stations of the Cross to me. Only a bit of Emmerich here and there, from what I've heard.

Liberals.


4 posted on 07/09/2004 9:35:56 PM PDT by Nevski
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To: Destro

"In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels"

Without the gospels we wouldn't have a story, where does this the 5% comes from?


5 posted on 07/09/2004 9:48:32 PM PDT by seastay
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To: ladyinred

They are probably using the "international" method of dating - calendar day, month, year. So it would be 9 July 2004, which was this past day.


6 posted on 07/09/2004 11:17:01 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Destro; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
John Dominic Crossan is Professor Emeritus of Religious Studies, DePaul University, Chicago. He has written twenty books on the historical Jesus in the last thirty years, four of which have become national religious bestsellers: The Historical Jesus (1991), Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography (1994), Who Killed Jesus (1995), and The Birth of Christianity (1998). He is a former co-chair of the Jesus Seminar, and a former chair of the Historical Jesus Section of the Society of Biblical Literature, an international scholarly association for biblical study based in the United States.

Former co-chair of the Jesus Seminar"... 'Nuff said.

Destro, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting this drivel.

7 posted on 07/09/2004 11:55:15 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic - -without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Destro

I know; He was actually married, divorced, gay, alcoholic, and/or whatever other behaviour you want to excuse...

Sarcasm off/

Get a life.


8 posted on 07/10/2004 12:10:37 AM PDT by Tuco Ramirez (Ideas have consequences.)
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To: ladyinred
For all of the criticism of The Passion, I feel it did more good for the cause of Christ than any film in my memory. Why don't they just enjoy it and quit trying to undermine it?

Couldn't have said it better myself, lady.
9 posted on 07/10/2004 12:37:57 AM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: Destro
In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels, that is, the general outline and sequence of events; about 80% comes from Emmerich...

Well, I personally liked the movie and all the hoopla about it causing anti-Semitic backlash were ill founded.

The only thing I find strange is the pope's qualification of the movie as "It is as it was."

10 posted on 07/10/2004 3:58:46 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Destro

Hang on a second. It wasn't just Emmerich's mystic writings. The Stations of the Cross have been with us almost 2000 years, on the walls of the churches, and they were all there. It is an historical fact that Pilate's wife was a Christian and left him over the Crucifixion. The scene with the blood being wiped off the ground has some connection with a good number of Eucharistic rituals, so it's completely believable.

Why post something that can be disproven quite easliy?


11 posted on 07/10/2004 4:11:00 AM PDT by Desdemona (Go Cards!)
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To: Desdemona
"Readers are guided by historical Jesus scholars ...."

I stopped reading right there.

12 posted on 07/10/2004 4:15:14 AM PDT by Pio
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To: Pio; Destro; Polycarp IV; Desdemona
I read something about this group a few years back ... will research it. In the meantime, you can glean plenty from their website.

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13 posted on 07/10/2004 5:12:33 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: Desdemona
"Readers are guided by historical Jesus scholars ...."

Aren't these the same guys who say that the Scriptures are only about 5% true...? Wanna bet that this sells less than 50 copies. OK, maybe a few more it the academic types among them make it "required reading" for their students.

14 posted on 07/10/2004 5:15:53 AM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Tuco Ramirez
I know; He was actually married, divorced, gay, alcoholic, and/or whatever other behaviour you want to excuse...

I had to laugh at some of the stuff they were throwing out there when this movie came out.

I think my favorite was the one guy who admitted that there actually was a Jesus, only he died by getting thrown off a roof.

15 posted on 07/10/2004 5:27:41 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Polycarp IV; Destro
Destro, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting this drivel.

It's not his fault, it's clinical. He has a chronic case of Passion Induced Stress Trauma (PIST)

16 posted on 07/10/2004 5:31:06 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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In his essay "Hymn to A Savage God" John Dominic Crossan comments; "In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels, that is, the general outline and sequence of events; about 80% comes from Emmerich,

That's Crossan of the "jesus project" that decided that Jesus only said 5 % of what he's supposed to have said in the Gospels.

And Gibson's scrip is straight out of Catholic piety: the stations of the cross and the sorrowful mysteries of the Rosary, both of which go back a couple hundred years before Emmerich...

17 posted on 07/10/2004 6:48:24 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Destro
ROFL

You post an article attacking Mel Gibson, and quoting...John Dominic Crossan!

Oh, yeah...there's a reliable authority. That guy doesn't even believe in the Resurrection!

18 posted on 07/10/2004 6:50:23 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: ladyinred
"Why don't they just enjoy it and quit trying to undermine it?"

Because undermining Christianity is what these "theologians" do for a living.
19 posted on 07/10/2004 6:55:27 AM PDT by Varda
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To: AAABEST

LOL...I think you've nailed it!


20 posted on 07/10/2004 7:04:08 AM PDT by B Knotts
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