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Gibson film based more on mysticism than gospels
ekklesia.co.uk ^ | 9/7/04 | ekklesia.co.uk

Posted on 07/09/2004 9:11:03 PM PDT by Destro

Gibson film based more on mysticism than gospels

9/7/04

Mel Gibson's film blockbuster "The Passion of the Christ" was based more on a novel from the visionary meditations of an early nineteenth-century nun than on the gospels.

This is the conclusion of a contributor to a new book to be published in August, who also suggests that only around 5% of the film is based on the gospel accounts of Jesus' death.

"Jesus and Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ: The Movie, the Gospels and the Claims of History" from Continuum is the first analysis of the Gibson film by an international team of leading Biblical historians and critics.

Readers are guided by historical Jesus scholars who help distinguish between the contents of the film and the contents of the Gospels, and between the contents of the film and what might be historically reconstructed about Jesus. The book also places the film in context as a work of art, assessing it alongside other portrayals of Jesus in different media.

The contributors give thoughtful, factual assessments of the historical and scriptural accuracy of the film, including the contribution made by non-gospel sources, particularly the nineteenth century Catholic nun and visionary Anne Catherine Emmerich.

In his essay "Hymn to A Savage God" John Dominic Crossan comments; "In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels, that is, the general outline and sequence of events; about 80% comes from Emmerich, that is, the details and characters that carry the best and the worst of the non-Gospel additions and expansions; and about 15% from Gibson, that is, everything that escalates the violence above that already prevalent in Emmerich.

"If Mel Gibson were to receive a Best Director Oscar for this film, it could well be argued that Emmerich should get a Best Adapted (or should it be Original?) Screenplay. If accuracy or even courtesy were followed, the opening credit should read: A Mel Gibson Film, followed by Based on the Book by Anne Catherine Emmerich.

When the film was launched it received backing and acclaim from large numbers of Christians who saw it as an opportunity to use it for evangelism. This was despite allegations of anti-Semitism, charges of hypocrisy and warnings that the film was incomplete in its theology.

John Dominic Crossan continues; "It is surely fascinating to consider that a magnificent publicity campaign has persuaded thousands of conservative, evangelical, or fundamentalist Christians to support enthusiastically an early twenty-first century film based only indirectly on the Gospels but directly on an historical novel from the visionary meditations of an early nineteenth-century Roman Catholic nun."

Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" also provided a boost for Christian sub-culture in the US with a surge in demand for Christian-themed products.

"Jesus and Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ" is edited by Kathleen E. Corley, Oshkosh Northwestern Distinguished Professor and Professor of New Testament at the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Wisconsin, and Robert L. Webb, an independent scholar living near Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The other contributors are:

* Dr. Helen K. Bond, Lecturer in New Testament Language, Literature and Theology at New College, University of Edinburgh, UK;

* Dr. Craig A. Evans, Payzant Distinguished Professor of New Testament at Acadia Divinity College, Nova Scotia, Canada;

* Dr Mark Goodacre, Senior Lecturer in New Testament at the Department of Theology, University of Birmingham, UK;

* Dr. Glenna S. Jackson, Associate Professor in the Department of Religion and Philosophy at Otterbein College, Westerville, Ohio;

* Dr. Scot McKnight, Karl A. Olsson Professor in Religious Studies at North Park University, Chicago, Illinois;

* Dr. Mark Allan Powell, Professor of New Testament at Trinity Lutheran Seminary in Columbus, Ohio;

* Alan F. Segal, Professor of Religion and Ingeborg Rennert Professor of Jewish Studies at Barnard College, Columbia University, New York;

* Dr. W. Barnes Tatum, Professor of Religion and Philosophy at Greensboro College, North Carolina;

* David J. Goa, Curator Emeritus at the Provincial Museum of Alberta and a Fellow of the M.V. Dimic Institute for the Study of Culture at the University of Alberta.

The 208 page book is a paperback original (ISBN 0-8264-7781-X) priced at .95.

The views expressed in this article do not necessarily represent the views of Ekklesia


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1 posted on 07/09/2004 9:11:03 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

The focus of the film was the passion. I'd say Mel did a great job of faithfully bringing that horror to the screen.

These so-called "scholars" are all wet and a tad picayunish.


2 posted on 07/09/2004 9:33:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Destro
The date threw me for a loop! 9/7/04? :-)

For all of the criticism of The Passion, I feel it did more good for the cause of Christ than any film in my memory. Why don't they just enjoy it and quit trying to undermine it?
3 posted on 07/09/2004 9:35:38 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: Destro

What hooey. Looked like the Gospels in the form of the Stations of the Cross to me. Only a bit of Emmerich here and there, from what I've heard.

Liberals.


4 posted on 07/09/2004 9:35:56 PM PDT by Nevski
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To: Destro

"In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels"

Without the gospels we wouldn't have a story, where does this the 5% comes from?


5 posted on 07/09/2004 9:48:32 PM PDT by seastay
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To: ladyinred

They are probably using the "international" method of dating - calendar day, month, year. So it would be 9 July 2004, which was this past day.


6 posted on 07/09/2004 11:17:01 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Destro; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
John Dominic Crossan is Professor Emeritus of Religious Studies, DePaul University, Chicago. He has written twenty books on the historical Jesus in the last thirty years, four of which have become national religious bestsellers: The Historical Jesus (1991), Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography (1994), Who Killed Jesus (1995), and The Birth of Christianity (1998). He is a former co-chair of the Jesus Seminar, and a former chair of the Historical Jesus Section of the Society of Biblical Literature, an international scholarly association for biblical study based in the United States.

Former co-chair of the Jesus Seminar"... 'Nuff said.

Destro, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting this drivel.

7 posted on 07/09/2004 11:55:15 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic - -without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Destro

I know; He was actually married, divorced, gay, alcoholic, and/or whatever other behaviour you want to excuse...

Sarcasm off/

Get a life.


8 posted on 07/10/2004 12:10:37 AM PDT by Tuco Ramirez (Ideas have consequences.)
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To: ladyinred
For all of the criticism of The Passion, I feel it did more good for the cause of Christ than any film in my memory. Why don't they just enjoy it and quit trying to undermine it?

Couldn't have said it better myself, lady.
9 posted on 07/10/2004 12:37:57 AM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: Destro
In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels, that is, the general outline and sequence of events; about 80% comes from Emmerich...

Well, I personally liked the movie and all the hoopla about it causing anti-Semitic backlash were ill founded.

The only thing I find strange is the pope's qualification of the movie as "It is as it was."

10 posted on 07/10/2004 3:58:46 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Destro

Hang on a second. It wasn't just Emmerich's mystic writings. The Stations of the Cross have been with us almost 2000 years, on the walls of the churches, and they were all there. It is an historical fact that Pilate's wife was a Christian and left him over the Crucifixion. The scene with the blood being wiped off the ground has some connection with a good number of Eucharistic rituals, so it's completely believable.

Why post something that can be disproven quite easliy?


11 posted on 07/10/2004 4:11:00 AM PDT by Desdemona (Go Cards!)
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To: Desdemona
"Readers are guided by historical Jesus scholars ...."

I stopped reading right there.

12 posted on 07/10/2004 4:15:14 AM PDT by Pio
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To: Pio; Destro; Polycarp IV; Desdemona
I read something about this group a few years back ... will research it. In the meantime, you can glean plenty from their website.

Links to our Partners

Below are some sites that broadly share our values basis and are in line with the kind of ideas that Ekklesia works with. Several of these organisations are members of the Root and Branch Network of which Ekklesia is also a member

Agora

AGORA is one of our partners. It aims to pioneer new initiatives in our society that generate the highest possible quality of public conversation, build realistic trust, encourage vision and renew our relational life.

Anabaptist Network

Formed in 1992, the Anabaptist Network is a loose-knit, relational network of individuals and churches interested in drawing on the insights and experiences of the Anabaptist tradition. As one of our partners, is seeks to offer resources and perspectives from the Anabaptist tradition for reflection on Christian discipleship in a post-Christendom culture, where churches are now on the margins rather than at the centre of society. It is a member of the Root and Branch Network

Bruderhof

An international movement with more than 2500 members (incl. children), the Bruderhof rose from the ashes of the First World War, a time of turmoil not unlike our own. Its basis in Jesus' teachings on nonviolence, love of neighbours and enemies, and faithfulness in marriage--plus a firm conviction that these teachings can and must be practiced in daily life

Kingdom Now

An innovative group in the US they have provided a theological response to the 'national idolotary' of the church in the US in the form of 95 thesis. Challenging ideas of America as God's country it rejects the claim that the US is founded on Christian values.

London Mennonite Centre

LMC is rooted in the Anabaptist tradition, and cultivates Christian discipleship as a way of life. It is a member of the Root and Branch Network

SojoNet

The online presence of Sojourners, a US group exploring the integration of spiritual renewal and social justice from a theological perspective. They publish a magazine as well as an excellent email bulletin. It is also worth having a look at their "moral response to terrorism" booklet.

Third Way

Not just listed here because Ekklesia's director writes the regular political column for it, but because it is probably the best theological magazine in the UK. Lots of high profile interviews which get under the spiritual skin.

Workshop

Workshop is a theological course which was the inspiration behind Ekklesia. It has been running for over 20 years, and in our opinion, provides the best and most radical theological grounding that you can get. It is a member of the Root and Branch Network

Click to see the groups, churches, and other organisations that have linked to us too.

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13 posted on 07/10/2004 5:12:33 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: Desdemona
"Readers are guided by historical Jesus scholars ...."

Aren't these the same guys who say that the Scriptures are only about 5% true...? Wanna bet that this sells less than 50 copies. OK, maybe a few more it the academic types among them make it "required reading" for their students.

14 posted on 07/10/2004 5:15:53 AM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Tuco Ramirez
I know; He was actually married, divorced, gay, alcoholic, and/or whatever other behaviour you want to excuse...

I had to laugh at some of the stuff they were throwing out there when this movie came out.

I think my favorite was the one guy who admitted that there actually was a Jesus, only he died by getting thrown off a roof.

15 posted on 07/10/2004 5:27:41 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Polycarp IV; Destro
Destro, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting this drivel.

It's not his fault, it's clinical. He has a chronic case of Passion Induced Stress Trauma (PIST)

16 posted on 07/10/2004 5:31:06 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Destro
In his essay "Hymn to A Savage God" John Dominic Crossan comments; "In this film, about 5% comes from the Gospels, that is, the general outline and sequence of events; about 80% comes from Emmerich,

That's Crossan of the "jesus project" that decided that Jesus only said 5 % of what he's supposed to have said in the Gospels.

And Gibson's scrip is straight out of Catholic piety: the stations of the cross and the sorrowful mysteries of the Rosary, both of which go back a couple hundred years before Emmerich...

17 posted on 07/10/2004 6:48:24 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Destro
ROFL

You post an article attacking Mel Gibson, and quoting...John Dominic Crossan!

Oh, yeah...there's a reliable authority. That guy doesn't even believe in the Resurrection!

18 posted on 07/10/2004 6:50:23 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: ladyinred
"Why don't they just enjoy it and quit trying to undermine it?"

Because undermining Christianity is what these "theologians" do for a living.
19 posted on 07/10/2004 6:55:27 AM PDT by Varda
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To: AAABEST

LOL...I think you've nailed it!


20 posted on 07/10/2004 7:04:08 AM PDT by B Knotts
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